The TWU Conssesions History

[FWAAA]

Not to be picky, but isn't AMFA an association and not a union?

Implicit in your question is a belief that there's a difference. There is none (aside from semantics).

AMFA is a labor union. The TWU is a labor union (at least in name, despite its impotence at AA in representing the mechanics).

One of the first things amfa did in the UAL agreement was to replace all references to union. The word union was replaced by association in all applicable instances.

A distinction without a difference. The words "Union" and "Assocation" were defined terms. Wouldn't matter what word was used to refer to the union. AMFA replaced the IAM, right? The International Association of Machinists?

 

[Anomaly]

Hey Bob, just a friendly reminder; UAL/CAL did lay-off some employees due to the merger happening. They tried to blame Southwest and the city of Houston for voting for and allowing Southwest to go international from the secondary airport. It was all over the media here in Tx. It was a nice try for UAL to blame Houston and Southwest. Bob I don't remember what group of employees were effected, but I don't think any mechs were involved.

Wrong again swamt. Well sort of. You have an imaginary way of sidestepping issues to create some truth in your rebuttals, but in the end, we can call it a political distortion of the truth (to use your words, YOU ARE LYING)

The subject Bob was speaking to was mechanics. While an airport in Houston did experience furloughs of UAL employees attributed to the merger or more likely an issue with Southwest competition, NOT ONE OF THESE EMPLOYEES WERE FROM THE MECHANICS CLASS. You lied.

On March 19, 2012, the IBT Airline Division entered in to an agreement with the company on the subject of maintenance on narrow body equipment. Part of that agreement provided for protections to all stations.

2. The allocation of work and utilization of manpower as provided under this Letter to accommodate the redeployment of Company aircraft, facilities and equipment will not result in any involuntary relocations, involuntary reduction-in-force, or reduction in the status or pay of active Mechanics and Related Employees throughout the new United system for the duration of this Letter.

This protects all mechanics at Hobby, and any other station. That you implied mechanics were furloughed due to the merger is a lie. Again, you spew fabrications without offering any proof.

 

[swamt]

Wrong again swamt. Well sort of. You have an imaginary way of sidestepping issues to create some truth in your rebuttals, but in the end, we can call it a political distortion of the truth (to use your words, YOU ARE LYING)

The subject Bob was speaking to was mechanics. While an airport in Houston did experience furloughs of UAL employees attributed to the merger or more likely an issue with Southwest competition, NOT ONE OF THESE EMPLOYEES WERE FROM THE MECHANICS CLASS. You lied.

On March 19, 2012, the IBT Airline Division entered in to an agreement with the company on the subject of maintenance on narrow body equipment. Part of that agreement provided for protections to all stations.

2. The allocation of work and utilization of manpower as provided under this Letter to accommodate the redeployment of Company aircraft, facilities and equipment will not result in any involuntary relocations, involuntary reduction-in-force, or reduction in the status or pay of active Mechanics and Related Employees throughout the new United system for the duration of this Letter.

This protects all mechanics at Hobby, and any other station. That you implied mechanics were furloughed due to the merger is a lie. Again, you spew fabrications without offering any proof.

I never said mechs, I said employees which is what Bob said. And SWA has never laid off any employees. Nor did I imply it to be mechs. Nice try again.

 

[Anomaly]

I never said mechs, I said employees which is what Bob said. And SWA has never laid off any employees. Nor did I imply it to be mechs. Nice try again.

Bob's post on this was focused on mechanics and maintenance Fix Based Operators. See below.

AA announced they are hiring 1500 Flight attendants.

So tell us Reality Check, if we had turned down the LBO where was AA going to send all those MD-80s? The 757 work that they have been outsourcing hasnt been going to well either.

Back in 2002 -2005, when the other carriers started outsourcing more than AA there were plenty of mechanics around, FBOs had no problems filling vacancies and taking on work because after 9-11 most airlines laid off thousands of seasoned A&Ps. Well that was then, this is now, there are many A&Ps out there any more and the FBOs are having a hard time finding people. There are very few layoffs of A&Ps at the moment, even when UAL and CAL merged, when DAL and NWA merged and when WN and AirTran merged none of them laid off any A&Ps, in fact all those carriers are hiring!!! Of course a lot can change over the additional six years that you chose to give AA but the fact is we could have been right next to the pilots.

While you did add the caveat to the end, the overall tone could easily be misconstrued to make one believe that UAL mechanics were furloughed. I do not see how your contribution added any value to the subject other than to use the statement as a political advantage.

 

[TWU informer]

Bob's post on this was focused on mechanics and maintenance Fix Based Operators. See below.



While you did add the caveat to the end, the overall tone could easily be misconstrued to make one believe that UAL mechanics were furloughed. I do not see how your contribution added any value to the subject other than to use the statement as a political advantage.

You seem to be an expert on statements that are used for political advantage.
And, that crap is why we spend our lives bickering with each other instead of embracing a craft union and ALL of us getting involved in that idea.

It is far more important for you defend your appointed position and the ibt institution than move towards reconciliation and consolidation of our union representation.

All political BS aside, that is the best idea.

And if you have a more specific plan, other than to bash the idea, then when you do plan on sharing that with us?

 

[TWU informer]

One of the first things amfa did in the UAL agreement was to replace all references to union. The word union was replaced by association in all applicable instances.

And here at AA we have the Allied Pilots ASSOCIATION
and also the ASSOCIATION of Professional Flight Attendants.

So WTF is your point here anyway? Go ahead tell the truth you industrial UNION zealot?
How much are paid to spew this trash talk anyway?

 

[Anomaly]

And here at AA we have the Allied Pilots ASSOCIATION
and also the ASSOCIATION of Professional Flight Attendants.

So WTF is your point here anyway? Go ahead tell the truth you industrial UNION zealot?
How much are paid to spew this trash talk anyway?

Google union zealot.....

What the hell are you trying to say??

You have always been quick to name calling, but I just do not get this one. Please explain...?

 

[TWU informer]

Google union zealot.....

What the hell are you trying to say??

You have always been quick to name calling, but I just do not get this one. Please explain...?

Zealot
: a zealous person; especially: a fanatical partisan

YOU and a fanatical industrial union zealot = one

If that is over your head, then go ask Hoffa for guidance

Nice deflection away from the APA and APFA...both ASSOCIATIONS representing professionals here on AA property issue though.

 

[Anomaly]

Zealot
: a zealous person; especially: a fanatical partisan

You have 6,671 posts on this subject and run a number of web sites on the issue and have done this for years.

Pot / Kettle ???

 

[TWU informer]

You have 6,671 posts on this subject and run a number of web sites on the issue and have done this for years.

Pot / Kettle ???

What is your solution to the profession issues? Bashing AMFA is not a solution.
This is not about me.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Implicit in your question is a belief that there's a difference. There is none (aside from semantics).

AMFA is a labor union. The TWU is a labor union (at least in name, despite its impotence at AA in representing the mechanics).



A distinction without a difference. The words "Union" and "Assocation" were defined terms. Wouldn't matter what word was used to refer to the union. AMFA replaced the IAM, right? The International Association of Machinists?

+1 & BUMP

Because many of our so called representatives still try and perpetuate this absurd crap.

 

[Anomaly]

What is your solution to the profession issues? Bashing AMFA is not a solution.
This is not about me.

You are an interesting person. Most of your posts contain name calling for those you oppose along with insults and criticism towards industrial unions. This is not about me either, so why all the name calling? Disagree with me all you want, but your manner and tirades do not exactly inspire unity.

Again, POT/ KETTLE ...???

 

[Anomaly]

Not to be picky, but isn't AMFA an association and not a union?

One of the first things amfa did in the UAL agreement was to replace all references to union. The word union was replaced by association in all applicable instances.

Implicit in your question is a belief that there's a difference. There is none (aside from semantics).

AMFA is a labor union. The TWU is a labor union (at least in name, despite its impotence at AA in representing the mechanics).



A distinction without a difference. The words "Union" and "Assocation" were defined terms. Wouldn't matter what word was used to refer to the union. AMFA replaced the IAM, right? The International Association of Machinists?

I do not entirely disagree with your post, simply pointed out that apparently the distinction was important enough for amfa who suggested the name changes in their contracts.

 

[TWU informer]

You are an interesting person. Most of your posts contain name calling for those you oppose along with insults and criticism towards industrial unions. This is not about me either, so why all the name calling? Disagree with me all you want, but your manner and tirades do not exactly inspire unity.

Again, POT/ KETTLE ...???

Just answer the question.
Or is that even remotely possible with you?

 

[Anomaly]

Just answer the question.
Or is that even remotely possible with you?

Simple. Join the Teamsters