the IAM is mad at the back door deals at AA!

[700UW]

I dont dismiss a thing, you and your union penalized the TWA guys, did AA and the TWU give the EA guys their EA time?

If not then you are a hypocrite;

And my Uncle was with EA as an mechanic and inspector for 29 years before he went on strike.

Practice what you preach Bob.

And have you ever walked the picket line at AA?

I have at US for the IAM and was working at the union hall 20 hours a day to help run our strike.

 

[Vortilon]

700UW, I really fail to see your interest in who aircraft mechanics at AA choose for representation. I thought you were a stock clerk or some sort of utility type position, you can't possibly think any AMT at AA will be influenced by your assertions. You had to dig up that old chestnut "AMFA is an elitist organization", just priceless. I guess the pilots & flight attendants unions must be elitist as well - using your logic.

 

[700UW]

At US M&R are Mechanic, Stock Clerks and Utility.

I have vast labor experience and have been on the NC during BK II.

Pilots and FAs are not elitists are the NMB has determined the class and craft.

And AMFA has admitted it intention is to represent mechanics only, they have on several occasion petitioned the NMB to accomplish this and have been turned down.

I have lived through several AMFA drives and witnessed how they dont want Utility or Stores.

 

[737823]

At US M&R are Mechanic, Stock Clerks and Utility.

I have vast labor experience and have been on the NC during BK II.

Pilots and FAs are not elitists are the NMB has determined the class and craft.

And AMFA has admitted it intention is to represent mechanics only, they have on several occasion petitioned the NMB to accomplish this and have been turned down.

I have lived through several AMFA drives and witnessed how they dont want Utility or Stores.

ALPA only represents pilots
AFA & APFA only represent flight attendants
IBEW represents electricians


Why isn't it ok for professional skilled aircraft mechanics to have their own union? Seems you are jealous and don't like seeing the quality industry leading agreements AMFA has negotiated compared to inferior IAM agreements.

And many at CO didn't like that the IAM wasn't committed to FAs, they simply picked up the FAs but didn't want to devote sufficient resources to their representation. The IAM is trying to be all things to all people and judging by their declining membership base it isn't working.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Are you joking?

The Flight Attendants at CO all had their own locals, and their own reps. They were the highest paid in the industry, you have no idea of what you are talking about, stick to banking.

And the NMB sets the class and craft at the airlines, not the unions, they ruled Pilots and Flight Attendants are their own class and craft.

And the IBEW represents more than electricians, http://www.ibew.org/IBEW/products/index.asp and they are under the NLRB.

And AMFA CBAs at WN and AS outsource more work than any IAM carrier, even when at UA when they were AMFA.

Stick to kicking old ladies out of their houses, because you have no idea about unions and class and craft.

And the AFA is now part of the CWA, yep phone workers, not airlines.

 

[Tex-Mech]

At US M&R are Mechanic, Stock Clerks and Utility.

Well get ready for not being part of M&R in the future. You are not per the NMB, and that is not for a union to decide. Your craft will not vote in a M&R representation election because Stores is its own craft and class.

 

[Vortilon]

At US M&R are Mechanic, Stock Clerks and Utility.

I have vast labor experience and have been on the NC during BK II.

Pilots and FAs are not elitists are the NMB has determined the class and craft.

And AMFA has admitted it intention is to represent mechanics only, they have on several occasion petitioned the NMB to accomplish this and have been turned down.

I have lived through several AMFA drives and witnessed how they dont want Utility or Stores.

That doesn't make it right! You and I both know, FAA licensed AMTs should be able to have their own class and craft. It is just a matter of politics - mostly on the unions side along with crooked scumbags over at the NMB - to saddle the mechanics with unlicensed types in ongoing effort to dilute the vote of AMTs for better representation. It's all part of the "catch all union's" communist philosophy. Really, what benefit is in it for AMTs - to have all these different classifications included in everything they vote on? My experience has been, the AMTs get their pay and benefits shredded. Witness AMT pay at AA now vs their peers in the industry - dead last - right. Then take a look at the pay of AAs other work groups - in the top 3 vs the rest of the industry. AMTs at AA have been the victims of catch all unionism for far too long. The time for AMFA is now.

 

[700UW]

Better go read the US CBA, its part of the class and craft and was certified by the NMB that way, the IBT tried to split it off after the merger and the board said no, the stock clerks are part of the class and craft.

Guess you dont know the history. NMB ruled Stores at US are part of the class and craft and were eligible to vote in any election if it was held.

The NMB certification is No. R-4593

Dont let the facts get in your way.

SCOPE OF AGREEMENT
3
4 (A) The Company recognizes the Union as sole and exclusive
5 bargaining agent for all classes and grades of Mechanical employees of the
6 Company working within the continental limits of the United States and its
7 possessions, including Maintenance Control Technicians (MOC), Senior
8 Quality Assurance Auditors, Quality Assurance Auditors, Senior Technical
9 Documentation Specialists, Technical Documentation Specialists, Senior
10 Planner, Planners, Inspectors, Lead Mechanics, Mechanics (all classes),
11 Lead Stock Clerks, Stock Clerks, Lead Utilitymen, and Utilitymen.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

At US M&R are Mechanic, Stock Clerks and Utility.

I have vast labor experience and have been on the NC during BK II.

Pilots and FAs are not elitists are the NMB has determined the class and craft.

And AMFA has admitted it intention is to represent mechanics only, they have on several occasion petitioned the NMB to accomplish this and have been turned down.

I have lived through several AMFA drives and witnessed how they dont want Utility or Stores.

700UW

I was an AMT at Eastern I did walk a picketline and was strike leader at LAX.

Amt's for years have been carrying the stores and ramp, with AMFA we will have all mechanics. Facilities/Automotive/Aircraft Maintenance. (title 1 cleaners if we still had them).

Stores is its own class and craft.

Seperate Union for our own Class and craft, That is what we AMT'S want.

So the IAM/TWU/IBT can have them, we want to be seperate, even if we are a small group
in comparision to these unions. If any went on strike if I was an AMFA represented mechanic I would not cross any picket line. At most carriers represented by the IAM all are together and on the same seniority list. That is something the IAM does.

That allows anyone who has or meets the qualifications to bump into another classification during a reduction of force. It also lets the ramp guy/facilities/automotive who gets his A&P to bump into a/c maintenance.
If I am not mistaken the IBT is setup the same way. That is why the AMT's at NWA bumped the lower classifications. It is also set up that way at SWA since they were IBT.
AMFA DID NOT PUT THAT INTO THE CONTRACT> AMFA has honored the exhisting contract and added to it, if that ws what the membership wanted. Each carrier is different, SWA does not even have a Title II classification like we have here at AA.

 

[700UW]

Can you not comprehend?

At US the NMB ruled that stores is part of the class and craft.

I explained what happened, and even gave you the certification #.

You dont work at US and you dont know the history.

The IAM was certified in 1949 at US and stores is part of the class and craft.

And your post is wrong, everyone is not on the same seniority list, you are only on a list with the same classification.

Mechanics, Stores, Utlity, etc... all have their own seniority lists. You can only bump into a lower classification if you hold time in it.

A mechanic cannot bump stores nor utility unless they all ready have time in the classification. You really dont know what you are talking about. A mechanic and related cant bump the ramp nor can the ramp bump into mechanic and related.

Seems some of you need an education.

 

[WNMECH]

Are you joking?

The Flight Attendants at CO all had their own locals, and their own reps. They were the highest paid in the industry, you have no idea of what you are talking about, stick to banking.

And the NMB sets the class and craft at the airlines, not the unions, they ruled Pilots and Flight Attendants are their own class and craft.

And the IBEW represents more than electricians, http://www.ibew.org/IBEW/products/index.asp and they are under the NLRB.

And AMFA CBAs at WN and AS outsource more work than any IAM carrier, even when at UA when they were AMFA.

Stick to kicking old ladies out of their houses, because you have no idea about unions and class and craft.

And the AFA is now part of the CWA, yep phone workers, not airlines.

There you go again.
I with your "vast labor experience" and being "highly educated on union matters", you still know nothing about SWA and AMFA.

Swa has always outsourced the majority of their heavy maintenance.
It has not changed or increased.
The Ibt did not stop it before AMFA was here.
And your beloved all mighty IAM did not stop it when they represented our mechanics before the IBT.

We are happy that finally we have a union that has shown it can successfully negotiate with SWA to bring more lines of maintenance in house and still work with SWA whose long standing lean business model has allowed us year after year profitability and job security.
Thank you AMFA.

 

[700UW]

I know the your current CBA is basically an extension of what the IBT negotiated, but if AMFA was so great they would bring as much work back in as possible, which they havent been able to do.

And the only reason you are getting the fourth line is because you let Southwest farmout checks to Aeroman in El Salvador.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Better go read the US CBA, its part of the class and craft and was certified by the NMB that way, the IBT tried to split it off after the merger and the board said no, the stock clerks are part of the class and craft.

Guess you dont know the history. NMB ruled Stores at US are part of the class and craft and were eligible to vote in any election if it was held.

The NMB certification is No. R-4593

Dont let the facts get in your way.

I hate to be the one breaking the bad news to you, but you have been in the craft and class of Stock Clerk since 2006.

The Board finds that the IAM is the certified
representative of the entire craft or class of Stock Clerks in the
single transportation system. The IAM's certification, initially
established in NMB Case No. R-4593, is extended to cover the
entire craft or class of Stock Clerks on the combined US
Airways system. The certification in NMB Case No. R-4593
now excludes Stock Clerks from the Mechanics and Related
craft or class. US Airways/America West Airlines, 33 NMB 321
(2006). Accordingly, the IAM's certification as the
representative of the Stock Clerks craft or class on the
combined US Airways system is now based on the Board's
determination in NMB Case No. R-<<<7100>>>; and it hereinafter will

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

33 NMB No. 61
- 378 -

be referred to as the certification in NMB Case No. R-<<<7100>>>.
The Board extinguishes the IBT's certification issued in Case
No. R-6684. Accordingly, NMB Case No. R-<<<7100>>> is closed.

I do hope he comes back to play.

 

[700UW]

You are so unreal.

what you pulled up is the single carrier status when the IBT failed to get cards and the NMB certified the IAM at both HP and US.

Stock clerks at HP were on their own agreement, when we merged, and the NMB ruled the IAM as the union for HP mechanic and related also, their stock clerks were placed with us.

Funny I was a stock clerk in 1999, always been part of the mechanic and related cba and even was on the negotiating committee in 2004 and 2005.

So please explain to me how if I wasnt in the class and craft, then how was I on the negotiating committee?

The IAM was certified in 1949, stores at US was always part of the class and craft.

Learn to read and comprehend. It even states the IBT was now not the representative.

In your rush to prove me wrong, you made yourself look foolish.

 

[700UW]

Let me educate you once again:

33 NMB No. 57 At East, IAM represents the Stock Clerks craft or class as part of its Board certification in NMB Case No. R-4593. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Airline Division, (IBT) is the certified representative of Stock Clerks at West pursuant to NMB Case No. R-6684, America West Airlines, Inc., 26 NMB 499 (1999). IAM asserts that East and West constitute a single transportation system operating as US Airways. The application was assigned NMB File No. CR-6906. On August 3, 2006, the Board requested that the Carriers provide information regarding their operations, and assigned Norman L. Graber to investigate. The Carriers jointly responded on August 4, 2006. Neither IAM nor IBT filed a response. ISSUES Are East and West a single transportation system? If so, what are the representation consequences? CONTENTIONS IAM IAM notes the Board determined that East and West are a single transportation system for the purposes of the Railway Labor Act (RLA). US Airways/America West Airlines, 33 NMB 49 (2006) (involving Mechanics and Related Employees, Fleet Service Employees, and Maintenance Training Specialists). IAM also notes that the Board has made single transportation system determinations

You make this way too easy.

Game, set and match.