Teamsters

[mike33]

How long did it take the IAM and TWU to neogiate there last truly nrogated contract?

About as long as you figure out what nrogated is

 

[mike33]

Trust me no one is going to sign a Teamsters card. Their true colors came out on the last drive. We need a craft union for the AMT'S. During the merger the flight attendant's went with a non afl-cio affiliated union. The pilots did the same. Both craft unions. Both believe in quality in a union instead of quantity. Both of them have agreements signed and are looking forward past BK and the next contract. Both unions have full accountability in their constitutions. No union is perfect but those two work groups are doing much better than the ASSociation. To sit here and say sign a Teamsters card out of fustration is like the last drive. Guys were so upset that they would sign any card thrown at them. This was a tactic the TWU wanted us to fall into. It worked because look where we are today. We really need to be united as one group with the goal of wanting to replace the association. If we go around saying fill out any card it is a waste of time. When SWA, UAL, Alaska, NWA and others had a amfa drive they focused on one union. They knew what their goal was. We at AA have yet to figure that out. Whether it's AMFA or any other craft union we need to set a goal. That has not happened yet. We just keep taking it up the pervubial A$$ from the TWU and soon the Association. Do we really need another industrial dues sucking union to represent us?

Read my lips again. It aint gonna happen. There are but a handful of renegades and they are spread around like weeds in a poppy field. Hang in there. You will be surprised whats coming.

 

[1AA]

If we are going to compare what is going on at United and timing, I think the IAM blew that one.  Maybe the situation is reversed here at American and we can take advantage of the timing. Nonetheless, at American, it would seem that the members have to be all in with The Association, at this time.
 
regards,

of course we are all in. We have no choice and no say. Remember the NMB decision? We were suppose to vote on the association. We also have no say who is in or out of the international. This is your point exactly. We are all in by someone else's decision. I hope the association is listening more to the members than the $$$$$ in the bank. We will see in time.

 

[Buck]

AMFA did not fail anyone, AMFA is a grassroots drive for the mechanics and related. 
 
To say that the AMFA drive failed, would mean that each and everyone of you who signed a card for AMFA participated.
 
Did you?
 
I have been trying to replace the AFL-CIO based unions from American for over 25 years and know that very few who actually 
sign cards actively participate in the drive. Even card signers in general always sit back and want someone else to keep them up to date.
 
During the last AMFA drive, many of even the most pro AMFA mechanics would not resign a card because of the Delta +7% which
the Association has destroyed.
 
When you blame Tulsa be sure to blame the TWU supporter, because Card Count is not that far off from having an election.
 
I would hope that every one of you have a reason for the position you take that is yours and not someone else's idea.
 
If you don't want to replace the TWU or now the Association than be strong enough to say so.

 

[Buck]

Read my lips again. It aint gonna happen. There are but a handful of renegades and they are spread around like weeds in a poppy field. Hang in there. You will be surprised whats coming.

Enlighten us?

 

[ASSociation Clown]

Trust me no one is going to sign a Teamsters card. Their true colors came out on the last drive. We need a craft union for the AMT'S. During the merger the flight attendant's went with a non afl-cio affiliated union. The pilots did the same. Both craft unions. Both believe in quality in a union instead of quantity. Both of them have agreements signed and are looking forward past BK and the next contract. Both unions have full accountability in their constitutions. No union is perfect but those two work groups are doing much better than the ASSociation. 

So the APFA forcing out Glading over their crappy contract, and the APA talking to the press about how bad of a contract that they have since the company won't finish writing it, along with the new agent contract getting slammed pretty hard, does not give me the impression that they are all "looking forward past BK and the next contract".  I listen to all the whining in the break room here, and thank god we didn't have a contract signed before the new Delta raise came out like everyone here wanted, because I couldn't stand another five years of listening to the crap here. 
 
But you are right, screw the teamsters after what they did last time, and how they can't get the job done at united or ups. 

 

[OldGuy@AA]

You need a reality check. AMFA did not fail us. We failed ourselves. Tulsa was not onboard, guys filled out two different cards in desperation. Are we mad enough at the union to make a change? You have guys that still want the TWU, still want the IAM, still want AMFA and the ones that don't care about anything dealing with unions. That will not lead to a coordinated effort to oust the association. What makes you think the Teamsters will be any better? Money, large union or perhaps you like to pay more in dues for the same. You like to have people appointed instead of elected? Wasn't this all brought out during the last drive about the Teamsters? We as a group need to wake up. This isn't a college football game last play in the fourth quarter and your going to throw a hail mary pass and hope for the best. I agree that the association has to go due to lack of accountability to its members. The Teamsters are no different. Is that what you really want?

You are correct.  We couldn't get the cards signed in Tulsa.  Guys from DFW and JFK even came here to help us and we still came up short.  

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

The guys who want change and a different union are out numbered by the idiots that believe in the worthless union that has been representing us for the past 30 years. Concession after concession they will never learn...

 

[Topcat187]

Ive always heard everyone say, lets get this contract voted in and then start a drive for a new union. The fact is, after the contract gets passed everyone forgets about replacing the union until the next negotiations. As a group we do a terrible job at sticking to an agenda. This is why we are where we are.

 

[BigMac]

How about we just stop paying dues until we see what this ASS comes up with in the JCBA ..and if we don't like the lingo we vote er down and continue to pay no dues. What say you?
Not paying dues until 2018 might be a real problem for their ASS.

 

[bigjets]

How about we just stop paying dues until we see what this ASS comes up with in the JCBA ..and if we don't like the lingo we vote er down and continue to pay no dues. What say you?
Not paying dues until 2018 might be a real problem for their ASS.

Not paying dues will NOT be a problem for the association, it will be a problem for you. The association will tell the company and you WILL be given the option between retirement or termination. I've seen it happen with the twu and AA.

For the teamsters to get on at AA, they're going to have to explain why they pulled out of election a few years ago. Because the way it happened it appeared they were working in concert with the twu.

 

[Rogallo]

This topic of discussion has gotten idiotic!

 

[1AA]

This topic of discussion has gotten idiotic!

Says you. We are pretty much discussing past events leading up to current events. Maybe the discussion is idiotic since we are all idiots for allowing us to be taken for idiots being represented by an idiotic association consisting of two idiotic unions.

 

[Rogallo]

Let me rephrase. This topic is idiotic, says me.

 

[bikeguy]

Better be glad the Reamsters were not voted in. They would have went after pension money for thier FAILED pension funds. The central states is the largest by far and they just got screwed.
 
Pension cuts
 
Some will loose half their monthly checks.Very sad.