Again Anomaly, not made up. Lived it. We had outsiders at the table as lead negos. CAL also had outsiders nego for them as well. With the closed door to negos that the teamsters always use while nego contracts is how and why the teamsters can work out "behind closed door deals" with the company in a private hotel room. This was in fact done (as we have already proven) and will more than likely be brought up in the webinar. The same shanigans were also played out over at CAL.
I can never get enough of your
"TRUTHFUL" opinions....
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For the 90th time, because you see things differently does not make you more right, or even sane.
Just as a point of example, both SWA and UAL are in negotiations.
This is the FULL list of voting negotiators at SWA
http://www.amfa18.or...ns Update 1.pdf
Earl Clark –Region 1 Director
Jack Coonrod – Region II Director
Bob Cramer – Airline Representative Local 18
Nino DiMaggio – Airline Representative Local 11
Mike Young – Airline Representative Local 32
Besides these 5 deciding AMFA International and Local Officers, rank and file members are invited to join and participate on a non voting basis at their own individual expense where adequate facilities and time are provided.
This is the FULL list of voting negotiators at UAL
http://www.teamster....eptember-6-2012
Bob Clever - IAH
Michael Nerren - IAH
Vinny Graziano - EWR
Steve Olsen - EWR
Paul Becerra - MCO
Mike Moats - CLE
Jay Koreny - IAD
Mitch Hunt - DEN
Mike Pecoraro - ORD
Mark DesAngeles- SFO
Joe Prisco - SFO
Anthony Ybarra - LAX
John Pangelian - GUM
These men are
Stewards or rank and file members who will fall under and be bound by the terms of the agreement they decide on.
They are assisted by 12 Business Agents, 3 Airline Reps and a Legal Attorney present at each meeting. If there is a subject to be decided by vote, only the 13 members
named above are allowed to vote. If there is a decision to be made among the 13 voting members, all other IBT reps are asked to leave the room while the voting members discuss or debate in private what the outcome will be. All members are provided transportation to and from the neutral negotiations site, offered per-diem and hotel as needed, and compensated for any lost time attributed for participating in the meetings.
With the IBT; rank and file members decide the contract and are assisted by the officers and staff. Not the other way around as it is practiced in amfa.
This system is not new to UAL, but has been in place for many years and practiced for many IBT contracts
Some of you guys are expressing if AMFA can handle the greiv. and arbitration cases when they take over at AA. Just to let you know; AMFA has handled numerous upon numerous arbitrations since the teamsters got fired. Matter fact, AMFA has done more arbitraded cases at SWA in under 10 years than the teamsters handled in there almost 30 years at SWA. What does that tell ya?? The teamsters would always just let the company do what it wants and never take a stand against them. At the time, the teamsters had company yes men at the helm for the teamsters, and there for awhile, nothing was grieved or challenged for many many years. These type of folks are currently in management positions for the company. It is built into AMFA's constitution that you cannot take a company position for at least 2 years after being a union rep or officer.
Per your own amfa organizing web page,
http://www.amfanatio...page=Organizing
the organizing ventures of amfa rely on grass roots and "fundamental philosophies." This can include
any statement by
any person in order to get you to sign a card. It does not have to be true or factual, but it can be the opinion of the grass roots "organizer." Even you, swamt, are immune from fact according to amfa history. You may or may not be correct on the argument that amfa has
arbitrated more grievances in it's 10 years than the IBT did in it's 30, but I find it suspicious at best. Can you supply proof of this statement? Can you provide proof that the IBT did in fact ignore or refused to proceed with legitimately filed grievances?
Was there ever a complaint to the DOL filed for this refusal? But lets say you are correct, and there were few IBT grievances filed for the reasons you claim.
I do not argue that there may have been Stewards within your ranks that were
friendly to and may have been looking for positions with management. This unfortunately has happened at every union I have been with (and amfa's constitution barring this action does nothing if not introduced in the contract, which it is not). Company YES men will always be around, but will only get away with their bad behavior if people like you allow them to. You can not hide behind a constitution in this. But do you have proof the IBT elected leadership, or International stood by and allowed violations of the negotiated contract? Did YOU try to point this out at the time?
Statements like what you said above more often than not tend to be from those who believe someone was not doing their job well enough, but refuses to step up themselves. Or, just as likely, these types of statements come from one who continual lives life from the sidelines careful to throw stones at the appropriate time while never getting his own hands dirty. Or maybe you are just angry because you felt ignored for one reason or another and none of what you said is actually true??
If you were there while the company was violating the contract, did
YOU grieve or challenge? If you did, do you have a written record of this? If you did nothing.....WHY?
