Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[700UW]

Well I dont think its a lock for the IBT, the polling says otherwise.

And do you do realize this is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11, so there hasnt been normal negotiations.

Go check out what the ibt hasnt done for UA and CO, three years and no joint cba, no seniority agreement.

And in 2008 we got a transition agreement which improved pay, vacation, sick time, holidays and secured 50% of billable hours done in-house, I would put up the scope language and pension against any ibt mechanic cba.

UPS paid almost $7 billion to get out of the central states plan.

Bob, I believe your off base.

Pizza party in the hangar for day shift in CLT done by the IBT organizing committee and only 15 people showed up for support of the ibt.

And CLT is the largest # of mechanics in the system.

Where were the teamsters when we were going through two chapter 11 cases in less than two years?

 

[700UW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpqPsKAH4lc&feature=player_embedded

 

[700UW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hPXDuACqZJw

 

[Bob Owens]

Well I dont think its a lock for the IBT, the polling says otherwise.

And do you do realize this is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11, so there hasnt been normal negotiations.

Polling is done, 50%+1 of "eligible" voters, in other words around 70% of those that would actually vote.

Eight years, since they left BK, 11 years since first having concessions rammed down their throats while the IAM held their mouths open. Excuses, excuses.

IAM is Toast. Cooked, History.

Go check out what the ibt hasnt done for UA and CO, three years and no joint cba, no seniority agreement.

True, but they are making a lot more money than USAIR mechanics. In order to speed up the merger and start collecting those extra dues the IAM agreed to extend the BK misery that started in 2002 till today, 11 years later and is now using that agreement as an excuse for their lousy performance.

And in 2008 we got a transition agreement which improved pay, vacation, sick time, holidays and secured 50% of billable hours done in-house, I would put up the scope language and pension against any ibt mechanic cba.

Yea great, improved pay from bottom of the industry to still bottom of the industry and extended the misery of 2002 till 2013. They still have tons of guys on the recall list(most probably dont want to come back). Are you saying that your Pension based on a salary thats less than $70k will pay more than UPS (you said any IBT contract) salary based on over $100K? Who cares? Give me the extra $30k a year and I'll fund my own pension, a pension where I could still work and not have my pension taken away if I got another job working on airplanes.

UPS paid almost $7 billion to get out of the central states plan.

Nobody cares, less than $70k, you left BK 8 years ago and your pay is still lower than it was 12 years ago.

Bob, I believe your off base.

fair enough, wouldnt be the first time.

Pizza party in the hangar for day shift in CLT done by the IBT organizing committee and only 15 people showed up for support of the ibt.
And CLT is the largest # of mechanics in the system.

Probably because they had to go to their second jobs thanks to the lousy contract the IAM got them, besides all those old guys sensative digestive systemns probably cant tolerate tomato sauce any more. they would end up with agita.

Another way of looking at it is nobody went there to defend the IAM and challenge them.

Where were the teamsters when we were going through two chapter 11 cases in less than two years?

The real question is "Where was the Fighting IAM?" And where have they been in the eight years since?

 

[Real tired]

You are lying again. The monthly multiplier in the IAM pension table showed as high as $722.40 for a $16.00 hourly contribution in schedule A. With Schedule B the monthly multiplier was crushed to $433.44 for the same $16.00 hourly contribution.

The hourly contribution at $2.00 was a monthly multiplier of $142.43 on Schedule A and was crushed to $85.46 on Schedule B.

A 40% reduction. No wonder the IAM pension is still solvent.But there is talk of another cut.

Everyone can see through your IAM glazed eyes the truth 700UW. The facts are the facts, You can spin it anyway you want but the IAM pension has reduced it's rates to remain solvent and can and probably will again in the future.

http://mypension.iam..._Schedule_A.pdf

http://mypension.iam..._Schedule_B.pdf

I agree with your post.

When we were bamboozled into the IAMNPF in '08, our first year multiplier was $58.41 for the first year.

In 2009-2010 our multiplier was increased to $70.09.

In 2011 to the present we have a $85.46 multiplier.
(Stores: $64.09 and the 50 Utility left- $48.43)

That means if I was to draw my IAMNPF pension today, I would receive $454.97 per month before taxes, and in 2014- $540.43 per month.

We resisted the plan for years, at least everyone I work with, and the plan was finally voted in, gleefully by my coworkers, in the T/A of '08, of which I voted ............... NO.

Also I need to add, before we voted the plan in, the IAMNPF was in "endangered status". I still have my WRERA notice from back then somewhere at home.

 

[700UW]

The party was held in the hangar breakroom during lunch.

Do you not understand that this is the first section negotiations since chapter 11?

AA mechanics make less.

And you can make more at UA and CO or UPS, but if you dont have the scope language you wont have anyone making that money.

UPS outsources all of their overhauls, as does UA/CO with the exception of several lines of c-checks in SFO.

UA has mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the streets and is currently building a new hangar in EWR.

Where is the JCBA and seniority that hasnt happened in three years?

Why are half the mechanics in SFO forced to be members in LAX?

Why doesnt the PMUA mechanics have a pension?

Why did the ibt abandon the FL mechanics and they had to get their own lawyer to force the ibt to help with seniority talks between FL and WN?

Why did the ibt let WN's mechanics get a four year bump in seniority over FL mechanics?

 

[Tim Nelson]

The IAM pension fund which the Mechanic and Related is in was reduced, in fact in almost half, just prior to the Mechanic and Related joining.

If it wasn't done it would have been in worse shape then the Central now or insolvent

Don't let the facts and details get in the way of your half truths.



http://mypension.iamnpf.org/national-pension-plan/contribution-rates.aspx

+1 Actually, that is correct. I think many concerns are that the IAM will need to sustain and increase membership in the IAMPF or risk reducing the benefit schedule a 3rd time in the last ten years. Not sure if either union has an answer regarding union pensions. OTOH, the IAM can say it has kept its pension in the green but it has done so by unilaterally slashing future benefits twice over ten years. With present unsustainable membership levels, I wouldn't rule out a 3rd slash. Neither union should use "pension" as a selling point. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

US mechanics didnt join till 2008 and it has not been reduced the rate is $85.46 for mechanics. No one has had a multiplier of $160+.

And future accrual rates might be reduced for fleet depending on negotiations, this has been explained on the fleet side.

LMAO!!!! MIGHT???? How about YES they did hammer 50,000 of their members, including US AIRWAYS fleet. Are you going to sit there and run your lip lying when this information is clearly known? And fleet is NOT TOO THRILLED about it. NONE of this is conditioned on NEGOTIATIONS. The IAM Pension trustees sent the "Drop Dead" letter explaining that it was going to slash future benefits by 40% because those retired off of the plan had to be subsidized by the active members. Sorta like a Social security ponzie scheme. Look, 700, nobody likes having their pension cut by their own union when the company continued to make the same contractual payments, so don't make your lies any harder at us with your insults. K? And if you are suggesting that we give more of our money to drunks who pull a 'robin hood reversed' you are NUTS. Nobody wants the company to toss in another $1 an hour to get back to the mythical guaranteed $81 buck per month level. NO THANKS. Just stick the money in our pockets this time. Better that than sticking it in the IAM's pockets to steal. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't care where you got anything. You are lying.

The only thing in the CBA regarding the IAM pension is this...and I quote

http://www.iamdl142....ril 3, 2008.pdf

"

A) Effective with the May 23, 2008 paycheck, the current​

5 401K/Retirement Plans and Company match will be replaced with the IAM​

6 National Pension Plan at the following rates:​

7​

8 • $1.60 per hour effective May 5, 2008, and $2.00 per hour​

9 effective January 3, 2011 for all Planners, Technical​

10 Documentation Specialists, Mechanics and higher classifications​

11 in accordance with plan rules.​

12 • $1.10 per hour effective May 5, 2008, and $1.45 per hour​

13 effective January 3, 2011 for all Stock Clerk classifications in​

14 accordance with plan rules.​

15 • $.85 cents per hour effective May 5, 2008, and $1.05 per hour​

16 effective January 3, 2011 for all Utility classifications in​

17 accordance with plan rules."


THERE IS NO GUARANTEED MONTHLY MULTIPLIER.....FACT

You and your half truths don't cut it with me. Never have and never Will. Mr RB former Lavman

+1 Being an IAM pension participant, I have the letters from Brother Roach who 'guaranteed' the monthly multiplier of $81, then stole our future benefits! The only thing guaranteed about this plan is that they will go in and rob the benefits of its members a 3rd time in 10 years. I am neutral in this election but I'm not going to sit back and read my bargaining agent lie to people. The IAM needs to stop lying and stop thinking its members are dumb arses, and if they did a better job representing folks then 63% of their mechanics wouldn't have signed IBT cards. Sito supported management at United in an anti labor contract and has no clue what industry leading is. regards,

 

[700UW]

The pension is not run by the IAM, its run by the trustee who is appointed by the IAM and the companies on the board.

It is a separate entity, you know this but keep lying about it.

What pension did you have after the freeze in 92?

None, you had to use your own money to fund a 401k.

 

[Bob Owens]

The party was held in the hangar breakroom during lunch.

Do you not understand that this is the first section negotiations since chapter 11?

Yes, because the IAM agreed to extend the misery of BK till now in exchange for a few modest improvements that still left your guys at the bottom of the industry and speeded up the increased dues from picking up the America West workers.

AA mechanics make less.

True, but AA is not represented by the IBT are they?

And you can make more at UA and CO or UPS, but if you dont have the scope language you wont have anyone making that money.

Ok maybe they dont have the scope but they have three times the number of mechanics as US does and all of them are making more than US mechanics. By the way, there is a shortage of mechanics thats getting worse by the day, go ahead and tell the guy who is drowning that you have a cup of water for him, dont wait for the thank you.

UPS outsources all of their overhauls, as does UA/CO with the exception of several lines of c-checks in SFO.

UA has mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the streets and is currently building a new hangar in EWR.

Where is the JCBA and seniority that hasnt happened in three years?

Why are half the mechanics in SFO forced to be members in LAX?

Why doesnt the PMUA mechanics have a pension?

Nobody cares, $30/hr or $37/hr and like you said despite their inferior scope CO is hiring. Guaranteed if UPS offered anyone at US a job where they top out at over $50/hr they would run away from US, or shuffle real fast on their walkers.

Why did the ibt abandon the FL mechanics and they had to get their own lawyer to force the ibt to help with seniority talks between FL and WN?

Why did the ibt let WN's mechanics get a four year bump in seniority over FL mechanics?

Dont know the answers to your questions, dont really care, just stating my opinion that the IAM is toast and why. The FL guys hit the jackpot. There are guys in DFW walking away from 20 years of seniority to get on the bottom of the WN list. As I've said many times before, if WN put maint in ISP I'd be willing to start at the bottom of their list and walk away from 27 years of seniority. Four years in exchange for a big payraise and better benefits? What has the last eight years gotten IAM members at USAIR except bottom of the industry ? The FL guys made out real well, I wish WN had bouight AA.

 

[700UW]

The IAM by law wasnt allowed into section 6, so what are they to do?

Be like the pilots who are going on 8 years with no raises nor a JCBA?

Your own union took concessions in 2003 without chapter 11, you never got a new CBA in 10 years and now are under a Chapter 11 CBA.

CO is hiring, yet UA has mechanics on layoff and are not being offered those jobs.

 

[Bob Owens]

The IAM by law wasnt allowed into section 6, so what are they to do?

Be like the pilots who are going on 8 years with no raises nor a JCBA?

Excuses, excuses, the mechanics at US will be given a choice, stay with the organization that brought them to the bottom 11 years ago, and kept them there ever since, or try something new. My money is that they will try something new.

Toast I tell you, its over.

The Fighting Machinists should have fought back in 2002 but they dropped the ball then and never got it back.

History.

You can give all the excuses you want, fine, thats all the more reason to try something new. Give excuses, now get excused, as in "now you may leave".

So sad, you guys used to be industry leaders, now you give excuses, 11 years at the bottom and you still give excuses, ELEVEN YEARS!!! Thats from Kindergarten to College.

 

[700UW]

The members made the choice, US filed bankruptcy in 2002 and again in 2005, by law the IAM is forced to negotiate.

So what is your excuse being a negotiator in 2003 and currently?

We had a CBA abrogated, did you?

Made gains in 2008 and in mediated negotiations now for the first section six negotiations since 99.

Look in the mirror Bob, your failed your own membership, guess your glass house has some holes and cracks in it.

Funny if US A&Ps make more than AA and have better scope, sick time, vacation and holidays, that would make your CBA YOU negotiated the bottom.

 

[Bob Owens]

The members made the choice, US filed bankruptcy in 2002 and again in 2005, by law the IAM is forced to negotiate.

So what is your excuse being a negotiator in 2003 and currently?

We had a CBA abrogated, did you?

Made gains in 2008 and in mediated negotiations now for the first section six negotiations since 99.

Look in the mirror Bob, your failed your own membership, guess your glass house has some holes and cracks in it.

Funny if US A&Ps make more than AA and have better scope, sick time, vacation and holidays, that would make your CBA YOU negotiated the bottom.

Perhaps if I had "negotiated" it you would be right. Voted against bringing it back and encouraged everyone to vote NO, 96% of the members from our Local did vote NO. Being at "negotiations" does not mean that you actually get to negotiate. In court both the Union and the company admitted that I really was not a part of Negotiations, only "low level discussions" right before they asked me to leave the courtroom. The contract lists us as "Witnesses".

Nice try and how did the IAM respond to our terrible deal?

They entered into a partnership with them to share their membership and jointly negotiate a deal. Combine the two worst deals in the industry and what do you end up with?

I'm sure that really is a source of inspiration for your guys. Do you think your mechanics even care about any of this? No, they already voted, at least 70% of the guys who will bother to vote have already filled out cards saying they want to try the union that got their members better deals than the IAM got them. Throwing mud cant cover up the huge pay disparity between the IAM contract and the IBT contracts out there. So go ahead and talk about the corrption, how they screwed over the FL guys who are looking at $45/hr and seven weeks vacation, a 9% 401K match (thats $4.05 and hour that goes into their personal portable account vs the $2/hr that goes into the IAM black hole plan), more Holidays, more sick time, and retiree medical. Those poor guys that the IBT abandoned will be pulling down over $100k while your guys are making less than $70K and if they decide to retire at 55 they can go work for another airline without any penalty if they want to.

Toast. The IAM is done. I already admitted I was wrong when I figured they didnt get enough cards, but once I heard they actually did things changed, the game is over. You got eight weeks to bring back what you could not achieve over the last eight years if the IAM is going to fend off the IBT.

When the company walked away from the table and started courting the unions at AA the IAM should have demanded to be released. Instead the IAM grumbled and sat in the corner. If they had secured a halfway decent contract prior to the merger announcement you probably would not be facing a vote. But they didnt. Now its over, they are done. The membership there already gave them eight years, a vote is scheduled to be sent out next month and counted in August. What are they going to do between now and August to change the minds of the 70% who are likely to vote IBT that they could not do over the last eight years?

They dicked around and took their guys for granted, now they are being held accountable.