Teamsters filed at USAir for representation
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Tim, you know me, I'm no IAM cheerleader (or fan for that matter), but I think you're wrong about the pace of negotiations. If mx goes Ibt, the company will be just as reluctant to negotiate due to the AA vote. I think if the IAM wins, they'll realize that they have to negotiate and will be on a faster track, because they'll have to deal with the IAM through transition (whether it be to the 'assoc', or the Ibt at aa -- doubtful), whereas with an Ibt win they'll be starting from scratch. JMHO
It's not nearly five years, it isn't even three years since the merger closed and not even two years since SCS. You are spreading misinformation. Tell us about the IAM agreements at US been five years since your transition agreement but I'm sure it's the company's fault right, right? How about the pathetic UA T/A that failed miserably? Giving UA the green light to outsource CAL cargo?
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At United, there is a big difference between the IBT and IAM. Glad you brought up United. The IAM hosed the hell out of its members and decided to trust management and refuse to continue bargaining in section 6. Instead it abolished 3 years of section 6 talks and claimed that transition talks would be the answer.
Comparing that to the other unions, ie., IBT and AFA, it is easy to see how all IAM members got screwed. The AFA negotiated the buyout and 17% pay raises over 4 years, the IBT negotiated 12% over two years and buyout and no layoff guarantee. Neither the AFA or IBT gave up their joint talks. Instead, the IBT and AFA told management that in order to have joint talks, management must sign a CBA first in consideration. Thus, the IAM members lost leverage by getting NOTHING.
And of course, we all know how terrible that IAM ta was a couple months ago at United where the membership voted against it by 80%.
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What I see is The Teamsters beat AMFA to a representation vote at AA. AMFA got caught snoozing and got themselves locked out. Teamsters have Motivation and they have 1 agenda " WINNING." They caused an election at US and they will have one at AA also. I'm not a Teamsters Fan up to a month ago I was voting IAM. The presentation the Teamsters have put on at US in the last month got my vote. IAM has no creativity and its the same old story. We need change at US. Teamsters may not be the best union but there hard work is paying off.
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I hear ya. I just don't think Parker will negotiate at all, knowing that 'the association' vote will be mandated before May 2014. I mean, if you are parker, and you know that the mechanics are divided 4 ways, then there is a reasonable chance that the association vote will trigger yet another run off. Any runoff will put any current negotiations in jeopardy with yet another union choice. There is a lot of hate and I simply can't see the AMFA, IBT, TWU, IAM, crowd giving up and singing kumbuya.
Perhaps the TWU loyalist and/or the IAM loyalist all follow the 'association' lead and vote for it, but I know too many twu loyalist at ORD that will still vote for the TWU because they simply are uncomfortable with the association. It's anybody's guess, and it certainly works out for fleet service better if the US AIRWAYS mechanics keep the IAM. Time till tell.
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Teamsters filed early to prevent AMFA from filing. Teamsters are short on cards and there will not be a vote from the numbers on the news release last week. Teamsters do not care about the members. They just wanted to make sure AMFA did not have a chance for representing the AMT's at AA. Is this a union you guys want? Teamsters spend millions of the members money like a drunken sailor on leave. The Teamsters ended up denying the M&R members at AA a chance for a real craft union to represent them. AMFA had over 6,000 signed cards and were on schedule to file in a timely manner to insure a proper election. The Teamsters knew this and filed when they did to stop AMFA. How pathetic of a union the Teamsters are. You sure you want to vote for this money sucking corrupt union? You are not at AA so I can see where you do not know all the facts or events happening here with the Teamsters. I just enlightened you on a couple of facts. If the Teamsters gets in at USAir you can kiss your friggin pensions GOOD BYE!!
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As you already know we are not choosing between AMFA IAM and Teamsters. This is a Vote between the IAM future name (The Association) and The Teamsters and how do you know Teamsters are short on cards? We're not hearing that from the AA folks at my location. I guess you don't know the facts.
If you cannot see that there was collusion between the company, teamsters and even the TWU to keep from getting on the ballot at AA, then you are blind. Never before has ANY company EVER provided an eligibility list to the NMB during a card drive for a representational election in just 4-6 hours after the union filed for the election, NEVER. This was all planned out for the perfect storm to keep AMFA from turning their cards in on time. You say you are only voting for the teamsters due to their recent last month or so of campaigning, this is exactly what the UAL boys fell for. We had the teamsters and they will never come back. They do nothing but lie to the membership, do "behind close door" deals, and waste union members dues on corruption, way over paid union officers at international and local levels. Plus, the teamsters are in fact, the union with the most airline work farmed out than any other union out there, even SWA. You want'em you can have them...
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Ok I believe you about The Teamsters lies and corruption. I just dont think The IAM or TWU is trustworthy neither. I have gotten screwed by the IAM many times at TWA and US. I have gotten screwed by TWU at AA but I cantell you this I have never gotten screwed by Teamsters at America West. This is my experience over the last 22 years. Thats what im going with
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. Well you will get the complete circle of screwing with the teamsters plus they will go after your pension. Good luck if you vote them in. As far a AA and the filing if you read the press release last week or so the teamsters had to argue the 1300 m&r member's that are eligible to vote. These guys are on recall and have a right to vote. Plus the forgery challenge that the twu had proof. You factor in the cards the teamsters filed minus voided cards it is a almost impossible to win a election. I know because I am a organizer and am in contact with fellow organizers and twu guys as well. Good luck
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I was at AWA also and feel the same way After BLACK FRIDAY in PHX with what was left of MX after the company took care of us as they promised they would (LOL) the IBT was voted in and had a hard fight to get back work and members. I for one think they did a good job for what they had to work with and did not feel that they screwed us at all unlike the IAM did with 3 x higher medical, lost holidays lost full sick pay, LOW WAGES and the list goes on, The IBT had gotten all back to work that wanted to return and we at AWA were hiring off the street some US Air guys unlike the IAM who still has members on layoff.
104 AND RISING! I kept My Badge On And Yes I Walked Out For My Union!!!!
Have A Nice IBT DAY My AWA Brother..
