Team Twu "we Just Came To Debate"

[scorpion]

aflciomci
the picture above doesnt have the twu spokesperson in it but there are pics of him with an e board member present in front of the casket. The twu spokesperson is also an e board member so would this qualify as a twu sanctioned event. He has also taken responsibility for the stunt.

 

[twuer]

aflciomci
the picture above doesnt have the twu spokesperson in it but there are pics of him with an e board member present in front of the casket. The twu spokesperson is also an e board member so would this qualify as a twu sanctioned event. He has also taken responsibility for the stunt.

Scorpian, I'm not sure as to whom you are referring to. . .TWU spokesperson?? Would you mind telling me who you thought or think it is? I'm just curious. I guess I haven't heard of any one person taking "responsibility" like you said.

Thanks.

 

[PDiddyQuill]

Let me say this about that......HAHAHAHAHA...you scamfa boyzzzzz are just that...boyzzzzzzz...You hurt the ones ya love , now isn't that right? Ah know ah heard "tough love" here somewhere..HAHAHAHA...hey jetlag!...Did it bother yas to bear witness to true solidarity and ya'll not havng a part in it? Isn't that the real issue here...Do you know that the Quill's come from a long line of veterans..and none of them..*please reread NONE* felt injured, raped, seeking counselling, or upset about the casket and the flag..why you axe me? Cause true unionists realize the projected meaning of scamfa's accusations...it's called "futilism". I personally contacted the VA Center in Witchita and received their laughter from scamfa's accusations.

Point being here ah reckon is this...TWU=2 scamfa=0

 

[Hackman]

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[Bob Owens]

Bob did you vote? The majority voted to except the contract, and you ARE well aware that it did hold up in court. truth hurts don't it.

Don't fill the thread with jibberish and about lost cards and members who did not vote. It held up and the court records proof this!!!!!!!

Yes I did vote.

You are saying that the majority rejected the contract? If they voted to "except" the contract that means that they rejected it. "Except" means to exclude, or in other words reject.

The fact is that the case was never fully put forth. The motion for a preliminary injunction was denied. There was no trial, just a hearing for a preliminary injunction. There was no testimony or documention put forth and it was not presented before a jury.

The rejection of the preliminary injunction was not much of a victory for the International. In order to get it they stood as a codefendant with the company against the membership and they revealed that we have no democratic rights to the contract. So we are not only denied the right to our contract but we can not even vote for those who do-Hall, Little, Yingst and Gless.

The TWU can no longer argue that they are a Democratic Union. The facts hurt dont they?

 

[MCI AFL-CIO]

aflciomci
the picture above doesnt have the twu spokesperson in it but there are pics of him with an e board member present in front of the casket. The twu spokesperson is also an e board member so would this qualify as a twu sanctioned event. He has also taken responsibility for the stunt.

aflciomci
the picture above doesnt have the twu spokesperson in it but there are pics of him with an e board member present in front of the casket. The twu spokesperson is also an e board member so would this qualify as a twu sanctioned event. He has also taken responsibility for the stunt


Scorpion, Are all actions taken by AMFA supporters condoned by Delle? ordered by Delle? Or are they ideas and actions of the AMFA supporters wanting to make a statement?
Unless I see a banner claiming to represent the TWU International, endorsed by the president/director TWUATD, and being lead the leaders, to me its just TWU supporters making their statement, so no, this was not a sanctioned event.
Now, was it a sanctioned event when AMFA supporters were at the parking lot or across the street holding AMFA signs, and yeahing at TWU supporters while leaving work? What Dave, Don, and Dan Cunningham sanctioned by AMFA to be in the lobby disrupting the TWU debate Jan 15? I beleive they carried that on with their own actions, not endorsed?
Is Dave or Don Rogers the official spokesman for AMFA? Maybe just supporters?
As it is if what you report to be true that an E Board member of local 514, as you claimed admitted responsibility for the flag and casket, he also is only a spokesman, making a statement, not being endorsed or ordered, What you saw came from a local effort thru freedom of actions, speech, no different from the actions taken by AMFA supporters, only difference I hear is that no TWU supporter wished death of harm to others, such as BLACK CAT, and others

 

[Buck]

And using your sound logic, Black Cat only speaks for Black Kat, not AMFA. In case you ask, I speak for myself.

 

[Raptor]

When the AMFA supporters were in front of AA with the banner reminding the members of the debate, they were not yelling SCAB to the employee's leaving the base instead they were waving at them, which is a polite greeting nothing what so ever was being yelled at them, when the TWU showed up to cover our debate sign that is when everyone was yelling, It's funny how AMFA supporters do not show up at TWU events but the TWU has to show up at our events and cause trouble, If the TWU were on the corner with their banner do you think AMFA supporters would show up NO what about when the TWU supporters hand out information at the turnstiles do AMFA supporters show up NO, the TWU supporters are the trouble makers, the AMFA Mechanics are just trying to get their own Union nothing more, the Majority of Mechanics at AA should get what they want and if they want to be in their own Union then so be it, the card count says that the Majority do want to be in their own Union, AA is not the TWUs backyard it is the backyard of all Mechanics that work there some of us have been there for 18 years or longer, the TWU does not own AA they are simply the present bargaining agent, and if the Majority of Mechanics want a Union of their own then they should and will get one.
I have heard that the majority voted for the concession so we should just deal with it, well ok but the majority works both ways if the majority of Mechanics want their own Union then the Minority will just have to deal with it.

I am sorry but most Mechanics are not interested in what the Stock Clerks or the Teamsters think about the Mechanics wanting to join their own Union as this is not their decision it is the Mechanics decision, Mechanics are not attempting to get the teamsters to leave the TWU nor are we attempting to get the Stock Clerks to leave or Fleet Service Clerks these groups are welcome to stay with the TWU if they choose to do so, whether anyone that is not part of the Mechanic craft and class chooses to leave or stay is none of our business and vice versa.

The fact is AMFA will call for an election in March for the Mechanic Craft and Class and the Majority will win it is just that simple, so deal with it Team TWU just as we are dealing with the concession.

As for the responsibility of the coffin stunt there were many TWU OFFICERS there leading the effort so I would say it was a TWU local 514 sponsered event.
anytime Local 514 elected OFFICERS are involved in my opinion it is a local 514 sponsered event, also Local 514 paid those OFFICERS to be there and in charge of the event.

I am a veteran as well please stop desicrating the American Flag and bringing Death into this battle with coffins. Grow up boys

 

[AMFAMAN]

As for the responsibility of the coffin stunt there were many TWU OFFICERS there leading the effort so I would say it was a TWU local 514 sponsered event.
anytime Local 514 elected OFFICERS are involved in my opinion it is a local 514 sponsered event, also Local 514 paid those OFFICERS to be there and in charge of the event.


It was also endorsed by the International as Gary Yingst was spotted at the 514 Hall on Saturday.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Posted: Jan 24 2004, 05:25 AM


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QUOTE (scorpion @ Jan 24 2004, 05:16 AM)
aflciomci
the picture above doesnt have the twu spokesperson in it but there are pics of him with an e board member present in front of the casket. The twu spokesperson is also an e board member so would this qualify as a twu sanctioned event. He has also taken responsibility for the stunt.

twuer, I guess the question about spokesperson for the twu is in regards to the "teamtwu" formation but not having an "official" mouth piece. After all, union dues are going to a PR firm to help the twu convince dues paying members that they should remain with the twu so they can continue to have their profession and quality of life erode. This teamtwu consists of who? All teams have a leader do they not? So far it seems as if kirk wells has taken this spot having watched his performance at the September AMFA Informational Meeting in Tulsa. Or is teamtwu just a small group of local union officials on paid UB whenever a coffin needs to be paraded of AMFA signs need to be blocked?

Actually twuer, I am not being sarcastic here. I am very serious. Why does not Sonny or Jimmy speak out for the twu? Why must the local speak out against AMFA?


Scorpian, I'm not sure as to whom you are referring to. . .TWU spokesperson?? Would you mind telling me who you thought or think it is? I'm just curious. I guess I haven't heard of any one person taking "responsibility" like you said.

Thanks.


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"I have NO interest in talking with the membership."
O.V. Delle-Femine - 01-17-04

 

[AMFAMAN]

Another endorsement from the Intl came via Art Luby's presence at the fleet service/stores/ droopy quill coffin display.

 

[twuer]

Posted: Jan 24 2004, 05:25 AM


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QUOTE (scorpion @ Jan 24 2004, 05:16 AM)
aflciomci
the picture above doesnt have the twu spokesperson in it but there are pics of him with an e board member present in front of the casket. The twu spokesperson is also an e board member so would this qualify as a twu sanctioned event. He has also taken responsibility for the stunt.

twuer, I guess the question about spokesperson for the twu is in regards to the "teamtwu" formation but not having an "official" mouth piece. After all, union dues are going to a PR firm to help the twu convince dues paying members that they should remain with the twu so they can continue to have their profession and quality of life erode. This teamtwu consists of who? All teams have a leader do they not? So far it seems as if kirk wells has taken this spot having watched his performance at the September AMFA Informational Meeting in Tulsa. Or is teamtwu just a small group of local union officials on paid UB whenever a coffin needs to be paraded of AMFA signs need to be blocked?

Actually twuer, I am not being sarcastic here. I am very serious. Why does not Sonny or Jimmy speak out for the twu? Why must the local speak out against AMFA?


Scorpian, I'm not sure as to whom you are referring to. . .TWU spokesperson?? Would you mind telling me who you thought or think it is? I'm just curious. I guess I haven't heard of any one person taking "responsibility" like you said.

Thanks.


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"I have NO interest in talking with the membership."
O.V. Delle-Femine - 01-17-04

Why must the local speak out against AMFA?


Are you kidding me????? Who do you think will be affected most by this vote Ken???? We have every right to speak for ourselves. We run the locals. That was the reason of coming out to the Brady. We, the members of the TWU "challenged" (and yes that was the word used) Delle to debate us and he REFUSED!!! He wouldn't stand up to the men who we chose to debate him. We had that much confidence in our members to stand up to the AMFA leaders. I think if he had agreed it would have been a productive meeting for everyone. We came as a group and left as a group. Do you know what he told a laid off United worker? He told him to go back to his local for information. He didn't even have the guts to answer a question from one of his own AMFA members. What do you think about that. One of his own and he turns him away!!!

And as for the questions that keep coming up about why we had different classificatons and Teamters etc out there. It is very simple. We are all affiliated with the AFL-CIO. We stand by our brothers and sisters no matter what classification they have. We don't treat them like second-class citizens the way AMFA does. It is called UNIONISM Ken!!!!!! Have you forgotten the meaning already??

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

And as for the questions that keep coming up about why we had different classificatons and Teamters etc out there. It is very simple. We are all affiliated with the AFL-CIO. We stand by our brothers and sisters no matter what classification they have. We don't treat them like second-class citizens the way AMFA does. It is called UNIONISM Ken!!!!!! Have you forgotten the meaning already??

twuer, I do know what UNIONISM is. I believe UNIONISM means protecting a particular skill or craft. It also means democracy and accountability. It also means that EVERYONE in an union postion, ie. steward, chairman, international positions, are elected by the full membership. I believe it means that contract negotiations should be OPEN top the membership and NOT secret.

AMFA does not treat different classifications like second class citizens. They treat everyone equal. Unlike the twu which looks at anyone who speaks up against the inept sellout self serving ways of the international like a leper. Tell me twuer, how many ELECTED AMFA union officers have been removed from office by UNELECTED AMFA International officers?

What is your point about inflating your numbers across the street from the Brady by having Teamsters, Stock Clerks, etc. individuals? What does being affiliated with the afl-cio have to do with protecting my profession? I will tell you... nothing! Where was your afl-cio with THEIR coffin displaying floats when UAL AMTs and USAir AMTs were being attacked with concessions? How about AA AMTs having our contract guuted? Where was the afl-cio "Scab! Scab! Scab!" chanting power houses?

twuer, tell me why an organization like the twu, an INDUSTRIAL union, should represent AMTs?

 

[PDiddyQuill]

Yo Kenny babe..What is your point about inflating your numbers across the street from the Brady by having Teamsters, Stock Clerks, etc. individuals? What does being affiliated with the afl-cio have to do with protecting my profession? I will tell you... nothing! Where was your afl-cio with THEIR coffin displaying floats when UAL AMTs and USAir AMTs were being attacked with concessions? How about AA AMTs having our contract guuted? Where was the afl-cio "Scab! Scab! Scab!" chanting power houses?

Inflating the numbers Ken ... does solidarity within the AFL-CIO bother ya bro? Do Stores Clerks bother ya bro? Do retirees bother ya bro? Evidently Kenny babe..you need to redefine the term union. Oh..my bad..you want an association...not a union. Here's a clue for ya Ken..the coffin was full of pink slips held by NWA employees...I know..it hurt your veteran pride to ever see a flag and a coffin come together....hey bright boy..ever been to a military funeral?

And Kenny boy...why would anyone EVER want to yell scab at you? Hmmmmm..must be a commie, industrialist union, black helicopter, pinko revolution warranting this action against such an admireable person....HAHAHAHA..yeah right!

 

[Buck]

Stock Clerks and Fleet Service can keep the TWU. The TWU appears to have done a fine job for them.