TAESL closing January 31

[700UW]

Good Luck too all effected.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Parker is getting his DL like scope that he has been talking about it now instead of waiting for a JCBA. I wonder if they wil offer SiS or just fill vacancies and bump system.

I guess there is no word on who is getting RR's overhaul shop in North America? could any of the AA mechanics go there?

Any word if AA is going to shift its own RR work to TUL? wasn't there some talk on here about a large engine test cell being requested for TUL?

Even if some of the work moves to TUL, won't there be a gap in where overhauls can be done in N. America?

 

[Traymark]

I guess there is no word on who is getting RR's overhaul shop in North America? could any of the AA mechanics go there?Any word if AA is going to shift its own RR work to TUL? wasn't there some talk on here about a large engine test cell being requested for TUL?Even if some of the work moves to TUL, won't there be a gap in where overhauls can be done in N. America?

There is a rumor out there,

RR has an agreement with another carrier to do a JV at the same facility at AFW.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

It's going to be interesting to see if they follow the contract or cut some special deals. I'm putting my money on some kind of special deal!

 

[WorldTraveler]

There is a rumor out there,

RR has an agreement with another carrier to do a JV at the same facility at AFW.

very interesting.

IIRC, there is a US carrier that has 50 RR powered widebodies on order.

 

[1AA]

Just spoke to a guy who used to be in the shop. He said rumors always floating around. He spoke to someone at taesl and he had no idea this was coming. It was like it came from nowhere from what he said. I would not be surprised if the union knew but was sworn to secrecy. Kind of makes you think what else is going on between the two.

 

[topDawg]

 
 

I guess there is no word on who is getting RR's overhaul shop in North America? could any of the AA mechanics go there?

Any word if AA is going to shift its own RR work to TUL? wasn't there some talk on here about a large engine test cell being requested for TUL?

Even if some of the work moves to TUL, won't there be a gap in where overhauls can be done in N. America?

Delta is getting future engines but the current line up will probably be heading to Asia. 
 
The only other Trent 800 operator is Delta and with only 16 engines in the fleet I can't see us trying to bring that engine in-house. (the only way it would happen is if they got a very long term contract to do the AA engines as well.) 
 
Now with the RB211 United probably has the numbers with its fleet do that engine in-house but I'd be shocked if United ends up doing any kind of Rolls engine in-house. 
 

This should really be no surprise. New AA has shown they have little desire to be in the overhaul business.

Jeff Brundage may have lost his job over saying labor was just a bunch of bricks, but Parker's not passing up on any opportunity to emptying the backpack.

I think that, while you are right, it also has to do with AA moving away from Rolls engines. When the 787 went GEnX that was the end for TAESL. RB211 work is drying up, Trent 800 work will start to dry up as A350s, 787s, 777Xs start hitting the worlds fleets and AA doesn't really have any Rolls coming in. (yes they have TXWBs on order but Delta has more volume) 
 
Having said that I have heard AA is kicking the tires on tooling to do GEnX and V2500s in Tulsa. Gotta get a new (city paid for) test cell though. 
 

There is a rumor out there,

RR has an agreement with another carrier to do a JV at the same facility at AFW.

I don't know about at AFW but Delta is going to be doing RR work in Atlanta starting in 2016.
 
note not Trent 800s or RB211s though. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

so DL has potential interest in retaining the 800 line but not a whole lot since they have a small fleet. AA and UA both have 211s, some of which will be around for a while.

I still have a hard time understanding how a different carrier can take over TAESL, bring in its own people, and continue the work that has been going on.

Any ideas on how a transition plan might work and could some of the AA mechanics be retained during that period?

and is the RR work in ATL to be for the 330/350s?

is it possible that the current TAESL airline partner change is just short-term if they don't have a new line of engines coming?

and if RR is the one that asked for AA to terminate the agreement, why would they restart it with another carrier?

 

[topDawg]

so DL has potential interest in retaining the 800 line but not a whole lot since they have a small fleet. AA and UA both have 211s, some of which will be around for a while.

I wouldn't say Delta has interest but if enough money is waved in front of them they would do it. Same thing with United. 

 

I still have a hard time understanding how a different carrier can take over TAESL, bring in its own people, and continue the work that has been going on.


Any ideas on how a transition plan might work and could some of the AA mechanics be retained during that period?

Highly unlikely work would keep going. It would shut down and the new operator would take time to ramp back up. RR will just pick another partner to send the work to. 
 

and is the RR work in ATL to be for the 330/350s?

and BR715
 

is it possible that the current TAESL airline partner change is just short-term if they don't have a new line of engines coming?

I would say its unlikely anyone will jump into a JV with RR if it isn't going to go anywhere. 
 
IMHO RR is walking to "get back" at AA for ordering the GEnX. RR was viewed as a lock for the deal. 
 
 

and if RR is the one that asked for AA to terminate the agreement, why would they restart it with another carrier?

volume. Doesn't make a lot of sense to do engines in-house if your airline doesn't fly them. RR doesn't see future growth with AA I imagine.  

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I still have a hard time understanding how a different carrier can take over TAESL, bring in its own people, and continue the work that has been going on.

 
Apologies if this is a stupid question:  but does it have to be a "carrier" that takes over TAESL? Could it not be an entity like HAECO or Aeroman that partners with RR to take over TAESL?

 

[topDawg]

 
Apologies if this is a stupid question:  but does it have to be a "carrier" that takes over TAESL? Could it not be an entity like HAECO or Aeroman that partners with RR to take over TAESL?

yes it could be a MRO. Probably not any of those. It wouldn't shock me at all to see AAR try to get into the engine game more. (they do JT8Ds now) 
 
HAECO already has a JV with RR. HAESL They do RB211, Trent 500, 700 and 800 engines. (and i think they are going to do Trent 1000s and Trent XWBs as well) 

 

[FWAAA]

This was inevitable, given the mass retirement of most of the AA 757s, as the RB11s comprised the vast majority of the work at TAESL. With no more RR engines on the delivery horizon at AA, it wouldn't make sense to keep it open for the 47 Trent-powered 777s in AA's fleet plus the much-smaller 757 fleet that will stick around for a few years more before they're all replaced by A321neos (and maybe the TATL models by A321neoLRs?).

 

[WorldTraveler]

Apologies if this is a stupid question:  but does it have to be a "carrier" that takes over TAESL? Could it not be an entity like HAECO or Aeroman that partners with RR to take over TAESL?

someone above mentioned that another carrier would be taking over the RR operations which was why US airlines were mentioned.

AA does still have a fairly strong RR powered 777 fleet for which no plans have been announced.

there are rumors that DL is again toying with a bunch of used 772ERs and all of the potential sources are RR customers. True or not, there is still a decent sized pool of large RR engines in N. America.

 

[topDawg]

This was inevitable, given the mass retirement of most of the AA 757s, as the RB11s comprised the vast majority of the work at TAESL. With no more RR engines on the delivery horizon at AA, it wouldn't make sense to keep it open for the 47 Trent-powered 777s in AA's fleet plus the much-smaller 757 fleet that will stick around for a few years more before they're all replaced by A321neos (and maybe the TATL models by A321neoLRs?).

22 A350-900s are on order. 
Plus US has a (very) young fleet of Trent 700 powered 332s 
 
 
Oh and one can argue that V2500s are some what Rollers. While Rolls doesn't own any of IAE (Pratt bought Rolls out not to long ago) Rolls still makes a lot of the engine parts/components 
 

someone above mentioned that the rumor is another carrier would be taking over the RR operations which was why US airlines were mentioned.

big big part you left out WT. 

 

[eolesen]

Rumors are great, but I seriously don't see anyone overhauling Trents in the US, especially when the bulk of the widebody MBV's will be done overseas.