SWA, FL FA agree on SENIORITY

[Kev3188]

How,,, many,,, times,,, are,,, you,,,going,,,to,,,have,,,to,,,explain,,,your,,,username???

 

[buscador]

Wow. Don't know if AvTech04 means he got hired in 04 or not - but it sounds like he is more then a little bitter...
If that is what it means - then grow some seniority before you rant about something..
What these AT employees aren't looking at is this - what would THEY want if the sale was reversed and AT had purchased SWA? Would they want to just let a large part of us who have been working for SWA longer then AT has even been a COMPANY bump ALL of them down by giving US 100% seniority??? I think not...

Exactly, how simple it sounds but listening to the whining and talk of how much AT has given up, Doh etc. I will guarantee you one thing, if AT bought SWA(which was never possible because it is and was an inferior airline) there is absolutely no way they would be saying "Here you go SWA, here is your Seniority and would you like %45 payraise to go with that, OK, we are all just people trying to get along." They would never say DOH but could you give up 2.5 years on bidding side please, not a chance. It is so much easier playing the victim as you reap the huge windfalls and you would never ever hear them say that it is true, so good post.

Wonder what all the rail birds like Kev, NYcuscalunaw, who obviously have nothing better to do, wonder what those liberals would be saying about AT people then, if SWA got bought out and DEMANDED DOH. Great Point.

This kinda deal will never happen again, as far as what AT got(the disparity SWA employees getting ZERO) I am willing to bet, but when it comes time for SWA to buy out another airline guess who will be whining when that airline gets DOH and only has to give up 2.5 years , o yea, those same wonderful people who scream DOH and why cant we all get along now. Very interesting

P.S. IF you have to explain your name more than once, well I wll just take the high road here!! but you keep fighting the good fight while you look like an

 

[buscador]

How,,, many,,, times,,, are,,, you,,,going,,,to,,,have,,,to,,,explain,,,your,,,username???

4,700 posts and you jump on his bandwagon, wow just makes your posts seem so much more,,,,,,,,,, well,,,,, less interesting,,,

You are the same guy who screams Whaaaaaaats UUUPPPP because a beer company tells you its cool? You have no dog in this fight yet you feel compelled to hang around like a bad rash and throw around your opinion and thats fine, but to follow NYcDEunUSaw is really sad, and not on a point of view but on grammar!

You go guys, good stuff, very insightful, you guys should be reporters. You can think what you like about me but you dont see me in other companies threads spouting off about my years experience and my opinions because, I have better things to do and dont think that the world needs to hear my opinion, like you two obvioulsy DO. At least WorldTraveler while an inteloper give facts and statistical break downs, yet you go with un original grammar.......wow............that.........is.........sad

 

[buscador]

DEAR AVtech :blink:

So how much time do you need to get over yourself, a week, a month, a year??

That depends on when and if AT people show any gratitude for the lifetime lottery tickets they recieved, a thank you goes a long way and in the last 7 months its been 10k pounds of whining and poor me and exactly 1 Thank you and you should know because it was you who said it,, so thank you for your thank you!


You keep saying that we should pay some sort of price, but, we are!! For the FA's that have AT premium routes to international destinations, they are now further down the list than before and their lives are getting interrupted because they probably won't be able to keep those slots

Now do you insult people on purpose or have you been doing it so long you dont even realize your doing it? Why dont you go into the Delta FA lounge and Boast about that increbilble International Routing system AT has and comparing it to DELTA's because they are a True international airline that looks at your dinky little AT international flying as cute,, so they will either laugh at you or call security. Calling AT an international Airline(Close international is more accurate) is like San Antonio Airport being an international,, You insult anyone who works for a TRUE INTERNATIONAL, US AIR, DELTA, UNITED, American etc..

Thats the same way you insult SWA when you say you are equal to us On the domestic side. Though a cute little airline who is 5 times smaller and tried to Fly with the Big Dogs simply couldnt pull it off,, so you insult us on the domestic side. Again insults abound with you when you try to be something your not. AT was not a Player in the International world, AT was not a Player in the Domestic Market..........period.....just a cute little airline barely staying a float

. Now they have more resposibilities like cleaning an A/C on a turn. And they gave, keep in mind GAVE, SWA FA's a 2.5 year bump in seniority as a show of good faith and yet you are still unpleased..

Your kidding me again, or insulting as we have proven seems to be a tendency of yours(paperwork comments included),, So your saying that AT FA' s may have to give up some of that huge international flying, but you omit the fact that in their mauling that they get DOH in ATlanta which will hold most of the international flying .. correct oops you probably didnt research that,

So your saying that they may HAVE more Responibilities like CLEANING AND A/C on a turn,, can you again be more insulting????

Let me put this in AVTECH speak so everyone can understand.. The POOR A/t FA's have to Clean a Plane and do a 25 min turn now and ONLY get 35,000$ MORE a YEAR, this SWA is so unfair, and what is worse is that FA at AT may have the same ungrateful ATtiude,, but no way anyone at SWA could see that as insulting, right

NO their is no way anyone at SWA could see your comments as insulting, or the comments of any other AT employee trying to insult SWA employees, by playing the victims or like Adass telling SWA people his opinion is just as relevant as any SWA employee,its insulting and the lack of gratitude is insulting, the lack of compassion for the fact NO ONE at SWA gets a damn thing personally is insulting,,,

But NO, you want us all to just move on, to get over it, that its people like me that will ruin it. Well my never to be seen friend I hate to say it , but its people like you and your INSULTING comments that hurts this deal more than me. The gratitude vs ATtitude/insults so far, Insults and poor me comments 1000, the gratitude 1,, thats insulting to SWA employees.

You see I am a part of a 35,000 employee group that got shoved a s#$t sandwich and told not to complain, so we at SWA can be bitter,, you at AT got handed a LIFETIME LOTTERY TICKET,, and to hear you complain about anything ,, well,, its insulting. We havent even finished the s#$t sandwich while for the rest of your LIFE you will be counting your dollars and screaming DOH,, insulting, but you obviously dont see it that way as yourMech PAPERWORK comment shows how insults just flow off your tongue, if you think I am the only one that sees it that way then you keep on with the insults.

So will I ever accept AT , will AT ever stop insulting the ORIGINAL SWA employees while cashing in their lottery tickets????
Will AT ever show gratitude to be working at a Superior airline?
Will AT FA's not complain about cleaning a plane for $35k more a year
Will AT people be sensitive to the seniority they got that they shouldnt have
Will AT appreciate the payraises they got off the backs of SWA People
Will AT people like AVtech realize when they are about to insult an SWA employee and STop before its Too Late

Well AVtech , ponder these questions as you conjure up some more of your insult potions,, the answer to all these questions ONLY time will tell

 

[Kev3188]

You have no dog in this fight yet you feel compelled to hang around like a bad rash and throw around your opinion...

I wondered how long it'd take you to bite...

My dog in this fight is as someone in America's working class. You have time and again proven that you are more than willing to do corporate America's bidding for them. I remember a time when those that were higher up on the ladder were more than willing to help others climb on up to join them. You are happily kicking the ladder away from the building. Damn right I'm going to call you out on it. Don't like it? Put me on ignore; it's easy to do.

Like I said before; you are emblematic of everything that's wrong with organized labor today. I'd tell you (again) you should be ashamed of yourself, but you're clearly too self-absorbed to actually be able to do so.

 

[AvTech04]

Wow. Don't know if AvTech04 means he got hired in 04 or not - but it sounds like he is more then a little bitter...
If that is what it means - then grow some seniority before you rant about something..
What these AT employees aren't looking at is this - what would THEY want if the sale was reversed and AT had purchased SWA? Would they want to just let a large part of us who have been working for SWA longer then AT has even been a COMPANY bump ALL of them down by giving US 100% seniority??? I think not...

I'm far from bitter, just tired of the whinning. The votes have spoken, the agreement has passed and yet Buscador is still on here bitching and moaning of how unfair it all is.. Instead, why not try and build that bridge yourself since you say AT people aren't doing it. No, Buscador is just stirring the pot further and creating animosity herself!! Every FA, whether it be AT or SWA, all have had the same attitude about this agreement, they are all just glad that it's is done and over with, but Buscador, and you I suppose, are dragging out the bitterness instead of being the bigger person at the bigger airline and moving forward... Me, bitter, never. I'm grateful to be gainfully employeed and am grateful I can afford to feed my family. SWA will be my 3rd airline, thanks to the consolidations, and I'm hoping it will be my last airline, even though I already had an opportunity to work for them but wasn't willing I move.

As far as the insult in my username, I assure you that my explanation of my username will probably surpass your lower level of understanding, therefor I'm not going to even attempt to entertain you, but I will say, it's not my seniority date

 

[AvTech04]

DEAR AVtech :blink:

So how much time do you need to get over yourself, a week, a month, a year??

That depends on when and if AT people show any gratitude for the lifetime lottery tickets they recieved, a thank you goes a long way and in the last 7 months its been 10k pounds of whining and poor me and exactly 1 Thank you and you should know because it was you who said it,, so thank you for your thank you!


You keep saying that we should pay some sort of price, but, we are!! For the FA's that have AT premium routes to international destinations, they are now further down the list than before and their lives are getting interrupted because they probably won't be able to keep those slots

Now do you insult people on purpose or have you been doing it so long you dont even realize your doing it? Why dont you go into the Delta FA lounge and Boast about that increbilble International Routing system AT has and comparing it to DELTA's because they are a True international airline that looks at your dinky little AT international flying as cute,, so they will either laugh at you or call security. Calling AT an international Airline(Close international is more accurate) is like San Antonio Airport being an international,, You insult anyone who works for a TRUE INTERNATIONAL, US AIR, DELTA, UNITED, American etc..

Thats the same way you insult SWA when you say you are equal to us On the domestic side. Though a cute little airline who is 5 times smaller and tried to Fly with the Big Dogs simply couldnt pull it off,, so you insult us on the domestic side. Again insults abound with you when you try to be something your not. AT was not a Player in the International world, AT was not a Player in the Domestic Market..........period.....just a cute little airline barely staying a float

. Now they have more resposibilities like cleaning an A/C on a turn. And they gave, keep in mind GAVE, SWA FA's a 2.5 year bump in seniority as a show of good faith and yet you are still unpleased..

Your kidding me again, or insulting as we have proven seems to be a tendency of yours(paperwork comments included),, So your saying that AT FA' s may have to give up some of that huge international flying, but you omit the fact that in their mauling that they get DOH in ATlanta which will hold most of the international flying .. correct oops you probably didnt research that,

So your saying that they may HAVE more Responibilities like CLEANING AND A/C on a turn,, can you again be more insulting????

Let me put this in AVTECH speak so everyone can understand.. The POOR A/t FA's have to Clean a Plane and do a 25 min turn now and ONLY get 35,000$ MORE a YEAR, this SWA is so unfair, and what is worse is that FA at AT may have the same ungrateful ATtiude,, but no way anyone at SWA could see that as insulting, right

NO their is no way anyone at SWA could see your comments as insulting, or the comments of any other AT employee trying to insult SWA employees, by playing the victims or like Adass telling SWA people his opinion is just as relevant as any SWA employee,its insulting and the lack of gratitude is insulting, the lack of compassion for the fact NO ONE at SWA gets a damn thing personally is insulting,,,

But NO, you want us all to just move on, to get over it, that its people like me that will ruin it. Well my never to be seen friend I hate to say it , but its people like you and your INSULTING comments that hurts this deal more than me. The gratitude vs ATtitude/insults so far, Insults and poor me comments 1000, the gratitude 1,, thats insulting to SWA employees.

You see I am a part of a 35,000 employee group that got shoved a s#$t sandwich and told not to complain, so we at SWA can be bitter,, you at AT got handed a LIFETIME LOTTERY TICKET,, and to hear you complain about anything ,, well,, its insulting. We havent even finished the s#$t sandwich while for the rest of your LIFE you will be counting your dollars and screaming DOH,, insulting, but you obviously dont see it that way as yourMech PAPERWORK comment shows how insults just flow off your tongue, if you think I am the only one that sees it that way then you keep on with the insults.

So will I ever accept AT , will AT ever stop insulting the ORIGINAL SWA employees while cashing in their lottery tickets????
Will AT ever show gratitude to be working at a Superior airline?
Will AT FA's not complain about cleaning a plane for $35k more a year
Will AT people be sensitive to the seniority they got that they shouldnt have
Will AT appreciate the payraises they got off the backs of SWA People
Will AT people like AVtech realize when they are about to insult an SWA employee and STop before its Too Late

Well AVtech , ponder these questions as you conjure up some more of your insult potions,, the answer to all these questions ONLY time will tell

I'm not even going to bother reading this entire post of yours.. I'm sure it's full of a lot of valid points and arguments that can go on and on and on.. Truth is, there is no correct answer to any of the above questions, because, like human nature, it all varies from person to person and situation to situation.. Perfect example! In the beginning of the merger, or buyout or acquisition, whatever you want to call it, Most AT employees probably would of given all their seniority to work for SWA. Not me personally, but I'd spoken to people that would agree with your god simplex that SWA is an almighty airlines and it's a blessing to work for them, and we all thought the the Airline the carries their heart on their shoulder would embrace us as part of their own, because thats the propaganda you display.. As time continued on, anything but LOV was shown to the AT employees!! People like Buscador came to light and represented their work groups and pretty much stated, we don't want you, and you don't deserve this!! We, as AT, took the insult and pushed forward with trying to make it all work.. Then the insults started to arise, the belief in superiority started to unveil right before our eyes. To shorten a long story, if AT would of been given a chance, you would probably have a better deal than what you have, but since you insisted on pushing the note to the brink of our patience, we decided to play along and push right back!!

You would of had a better deal and we might be more appreciative if you would of just shut your mouth and tried to work together instead of insulting and disrespecting us, all of us!!! So, if I seem bitter, it's only because people like Buscador bring the worse out of me.

I have been and am still more than willing to work with my SWA counterparts to come up with a fair deal for all of us!! So please, follow what your mother always told you and keep your mouth shut if you don't have something nice nor productive to say. We ALL have to work together at the end of this, so the sooner you start to move forward, the sooner we can start to build a better airline TOGETHER!!

Oh, and about the paperwork comment I made, ask any SWA mechanic how they feel about it and I assure you they will side with me about the paperwork being ridiculous.. It was not an insult, it was a topic of conversation in order to try and have a common ground. But I wouldn't of expected you to understand that...

 

[buscador]

Thank you for the advice, duley noted. You have been pretty much the most balanced and fair AT poster but you tend to insult w or without knowing it. Your so called Paperwork comment in no way would find common ground even though it may be %100 correct, if your wife had a huge rear end do you go up to your buddy and tell him how big his wifes butt is thinking you have common ground,, no it doesnt need to be said and is not good for all involved and can be misconstrued as an insult.

You are the AT employee who in the SWA employees eyes are about to gain everything(true or not) so comments about SWA in any negative light in this heated time will be taken as an insult.

Our vote is done, My opinion is AT got way to much!! now that is mine and most of the SWA Fa's opinion whether it is true or not all I am saying is that now would be a good time for AT people to understand that WE got NOTHING and that lightly planted or abrasive insults just drives the dagger deeper,, so is it too much to ask AT to calm down on the insults and have some compassion for the ones who gained NOTHING personally?

AT employees now have the ability to change this company and by allowing the P#$@ed off work groups to cool down and doing so with out insults may go much farther than you think!

We at SWA have the right to be PI@#$d off, you would be too if AT bought out Midway express as they planned because we all know how your employees were going to stick it to them, SWA employees will need some time to cool off so give us that space without the insults is all I am suggesting.

 

[Workinaflight]

You see I am a part of a 35,000 employee group that got shoved a s#$t sandwich and told not to complain, so we at SWA can be bitter,, you at AT got handed a LIFETIME LOTTERY TICKET,, and to hear you complain about anything ,, well,, its insulting. We havent even finished the s#$t sandwich while for the rest of your LIFE you will be counting your dollars and screaming DOH..

I have to agree. I work the Ramp - so my workgroup hasn't even gotten anywhere with the "integration" yet. Let me tell you - we work nearby to AT - and if the quality of their overall workgroup is anywhere NEAR what the ones here are.....let's just say we are in BIG trouble! That is why I think they should all be placed on a probationary period, and not given anywhere NEAR date of hire seniority. We stack more bags in ONE BIN then they put on entire FLIGHTS....and they think they work too hard now...

And what's in this whole deal for me??? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I get NOTHING - except probably no pay raise on my contract which is currently EXPIRED. Why? Because of all the extra $ they are paying out to all the AT guys - they are gonna say their labor costs are too high (they already say that in fact) - and we are gonna get screwed. Wait and watch what I'm tellin Ya. I haven't had a raise in 3 years - the AT guys are all gonna get HUGE raises - and I'm not supposed to be bitter????

 

[xUT]

I have to agree. I work the Ramp - so my workgroup hasn't even gotten anywhere with the "integration" yet. Let me tell you - we work nearby to AT - and if the quality of their overall workgroup is anywhere NEAR what the ones here are.....let's just say we are in BIG trouble! That is why I think they should all be placed on a probationary period, and not given anywhere NEAR date of hire seniority. We stack more bags in ONE BIN then they put on entire FLIGHTS....and they think they work too hard now...

And what's in this whole deal for me??? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I get NOTHING - except probably no pay raise on my contract which is currently EXPIRED. Why? Because of all the extra $ they are paying out to all the AT guys - they are gonna say their labor costs are too high (they already say that in fact) - and we are gonna get screwed. Wait and watch what I'm tellin Ya. I haven't had a raise in 3 years - the AT guys are all gonna get HUGE raises - and I'm not supposed to be bitter????

Absolutely be bitter, but be bitter to the correct entity.
AT employees have as much power as SW employees in this mess.
Don't be angry or bitter at people that have no control over their destiny.
JMHO,
B) xut

 

[xUT]

DEAR AVtech :blink:


So will I ever accept AT , will AT ever stop insulting the ORIGINAL SWA employees while cashing in their lottery tickets????
Will AT ever show gratitude to be working at a Superior airline?
Will AT FA's not complain about cleaning a plane for $35k more a year
Will AT people be sensitive to the seniority they got that they shouldnt have
Will AT appreciate the payraises they got off the backs of SWA People
Will AT people like AVtech realize when they are about to insult an SWA employee and STop before its Too Late

I am convinced that you are either crazy :wacko: or purposely post as such to incite hate mongering dialog.
Regardless, your rants are pointless.
B) xUT

 

[buscador]

I am convinced that you are either crazy :wacko: or purposely post as such to incite hate mongering dialog.
Regardless, your rants are pointless.
B) xUT

You are kinda funny I will give you that, yea I am crazy cause I seem to be brave enough to say what many others are also thinking and saying. You think I am a crazy lone wolf spouting out lies and unrealistic views that is your opinion and I respect your right to do so.

You would really think I was crazy if I posted on this site how many employees have approached me talking about their FEARs,, FEARs of a less than desireable AT work ethic and the possible disemboweling of the SWA culture.. But I choose not to go there, I choose not to post how they talk because I will wait and see, give AT a benefit of a doubt until I hear ONE complaint about cleaning a plane.

Shoot the messanger if you wish but the real concerns are there with or with out Pom Poms, I rant the reality and concerns of many, just tonite I have fielded 10 calls about how dare Avtech say some of his insults to SWA. So I go on to see and then I respond inside my insanity is sanity and inside all the rants lies a vein of truth.

Thanks again for your opinion, its your right as it is mine to pass along the opinions of others and MY rants

 

[QA4Jet-A]

You are kinda funny I will give you that, yea I am crazy cause I seem to be brave enough to say what many others are also thinking and saying. You think I am a crazy lone wolf spouting out lies and unrealistic views that is your opinion and I respect your right to do so.

You would really think I was crazy if I posted on this site how many employees have approached me talking about their FEARs,, FEARs of a less than desireable AT work ethic and the possible disemboweling of the SWA culture.. But I choose not to go there, I choose not to post how they talk because I will wait and see, give AT a benefit of a doubt until I hear ONE complaint about cleaning a plane.

Shoot the messanger if you wish but the real concerns are there with or with out Pom Poms, I rant the reality and concerns of many, just tonite I have fielded 10 calls about how dare Avtech say some of his insults to SWA. So I go on to see and then I respond inside my insanity is sanity and inside all the rants lies a vein of truth.

Thanks again for your opinion, its your right as it is mine to pass along the opinions of others and MY rants

You would be great material for a SNL skit! Your rants have become almost entertaining if not for the fact that you post the same things over and over, after saying you are done with posting about it. Just get more venom into it with each post, that's pure maturity? I find it very interesting that when I fly on SWA I get no grief from any of your co-workers, in fact, they are very cordial and inquire as to how we feel about the deal. I share my ideas and we all agree that it is better to move forward and understand the nature of the Business, that none of us have control of and move on. You want to see appreciation? If you would read what is out there and not be blinded by what you only want to accept, you would see, we are glad for this. and do appreciate your STOCK HOLDERS for seeing this through.
Yes, FL has some bad apples and so does every freaking company in the World, yours included. I have faith that they will be weeded out, from BOTH sides. It is time to move forward and make this happen. Crying about 'how you gained nothing' (when you already have it), or 'how it should be and the pain FL should feel', will only drown you in your tears. Accept reality and move on!
Cheers, QA

 

[buscador]

You would be great material for a SNL skit! Your rants have become almost entertaining if not for the fact that you post the same things over and over, after saying you are done with posting about it. Just get more venom into it with each post, that's pure maturity? I find it very interesting that when I fly on SWA I get no grief from any of your co-workers, in fact, they are very cordial and inquire as to how we feel about the deal. I share my ideas and we all agree that it is better to move forward and understand the nature of the Business, that none of us have control of and move on. You want to see appreciation? If you would read what is out there and not be blinded by what you only want to accept, you would see, we are glad for this. and do appreciate your STOCK HOLDERS for seeing this through.
Yes, FL has some bad apples and so does every freaking company in the World, yours included. I have faith that they will be weeded out, from BOTH sides. It is time to move forward and make this happen. Crying about 'how you gained nothing' (when you already have it), or 'how it should be and the pain FL should feel', will only drown you in your tears. Accept reality and move on!
Cheers, QA

Well I will say thank you for being cordial and showing some appreciation.. I too have been cordial to every AT non rev as we all should be, No one should lambaste an AT employee or AT shouldnt lambaste SWA(like your captain did)... still doesnt take away the fears we talk about as SWa employees

 

[NYCDelta]

still doesnt take away the fears we talk about as SWa employees

Well, misery loves company. I have ONE SWA F/A friend, and you know what he thinks about the whole thing? He doesn't! He goes to work, collects a good paycheck, and goes home. He was senior before, and now he's 2.5 years more senior. It doesn't affect him at all that AT people are getting a big raise.
Put your big girl panties on and show the AT people how it's done if you're so worried they're going to "ruin" the SWA culture.