Scam Cirri and Debbie Stealer

[700UW]

Read the grievance form, when you sign it you are giving the union power of attorney and jurisdiction over it.

 

[TWU informer]

Read the grievance form, when you sign it you are giving the union power of attorney and jurisdiction over it.

Exactly, and the there is no requirement to use that form to file your grievance.

 

[700UW]

Yes there is, between the company and the union and years of past practice.

I would ask Bob Owens about that, I believe he can clarify the process.

The CBA which contains the grievance procedure is owned by the TWU and it is their job to enforce the CBA.

 

[Overspeed]

[Flyinfish
Maybe I'm wrong. What do ya'll think? I'd love to hear your comments! Especially yours SAM !!
To all my friends in Tulsa, I'll see you later it has been great working with you all over the last 17+ years. I had a lot of great times. I just wish it would not have ended like it did. Greg
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The TWU never fails to amaze me on how they make things happen when they want to and tell us a story when we want something done. This is just another move by the international to take care of the people who take care of them. History has proven in this so called union that the select few will sell out the masses to retain the empire and not retain our careers. Classic case is TWU ex-president of MCI. He could not lead a book reading club yet he is hand picked to be a paid organizer. His tenure as president in MCI was at best dull. While they were walking members out the door, he was writing to his members what a great job they and the TWU were doing........WTF?
When will we make the decision to get the proper representation of our class and craft and go with an organization without all this behind the scene deals and dictator constitution?
How would you like to witness your negotiations?
thats right sit behind your negotiators while they are negotiating with the company!
You would be able to hear it for yourself instead of water downed rhetoric if anything at all from the TWU.
This is huge for any member to have the ability to do this, no one else has that....
no more waiting for the negotiating committee to release information, you are there!!!!!

AMFA provides this and more......knowledge is power.....dont listen to paid professional salesman. They do a good job with their truckers stay with what you know.
talk to an AMFA organizer who will provide backed up information as to the real story.
An AMFA organizer can provide acess to AMFA members who can directly answer questions you may have based on what you have heard. I urge Tulsa members to reach out to the AMFA organizers and ask the hard questions, they will support their answers. We have made alot of bad decisions in the past lets not make another one, our careers are hanging by a thread as it is.

AMFA 2013

Chuck you came out of the closet. Now you and Ken can be the flip flop twins. No back back bone I see. How's the marriage counseling business working out? Do any contracting lately? When is Bob coming out of the closet Chuck. You have never been a TWU member yet you cross dressed saying you were going to fight for change but instead when you couldn't get it your way you bolt. Very childish Chuck. I can see you crossing the picket line like the AMFA NWA reps when the going gets tough. AMFA 2013? Not likely if immature people like you and Ken are the organizers. AMFA has the crappiest record of representing their members unless you only count the 20% of their peak membership as the winners. The line got to keep working while all the overhaul members lost their jobs. AMFA is such a great organization? So you can direct elect the officers who screw you and you can watch them doing it because the have "open" negotiations. That's freaking awesome Chuck. You know how to pick a winner!

 

[OldGuy@AA]

This will be a very interesting couple of weeks as this thing unfolds. We hope to resolve this soon. Like I said before we just wanted a fair and equal chance at the job openings. We will not stop until this is made right! I understand this is spreading like wildfire. The next monthly meeting should be a good one!!!

That is the bottom line......... All you are asking for is a fair chance at the openings. By raising this issue on the message board you got many people to read it and ask how this happened. Cirri just put out a statement and is trying to make it look like it is not his doing. Now is the time for the cover up. But the good thing is that Cirri is going to find out what it's really like to fight like hell. Good on you FlynFish!

 

[TWU informer]

Yes there is, between the company and the union and years of past practice.

I would ask Bob Owens about that, I believe he can clarify the process.

The CBA which contains the grievance procedure is owned by the TWU and it is their job to enforce the CBA.

Maybe you should stick to what you know, and stay out of that you are ignorant about. Our CBA only requires a grievance to be in writing and does not require the use of the TWU grievance form. I have personally filed two grievances without using the TWU form. So get a clue.

 

[Kev3188]

I can see you crossing the picket line like the AMFA NWA reps when the going gets tough.

I can't.

Maybe you should stick to what you know, and stay out of that you are ignorant about. Our CBA only requires a grievance to be in writing and does not require the use of the TWU grievance form. I have personally filed two grievances without using the TWU form. So get a clue.

Just curious: What did you use? If not a "regular" form (and I'm assuming no attorney), did you just type something up?

By raising this issue on the message board you got many people to read it and ask how this happened.

Proof positive that the power of social media can be very real, and can absolutely effect change.

 

[TWU informer]

Just curious: What did you use? If not a "regular" form (and I'm assuming no attorney), did you just type something up?

Yes Word Document printed, dated and signed. Submitted to Supervisor per the CBA. The TWU cannot legally make you authorize them to act on your behalf...period.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Chuck you came out of the closet. Now you and Ken can be the flip flop twins. No back back bone I see. How's the marriage counseling business working out? Do any contracting lately? When is Bob coming out of the closet Chuck. You have never been a TWU member yet you cross dressed saying you were going to fight for change but instead when you couldn't get it your way you bolt. Very childish Chuck. I can see you crossing the picket line like the AMFA NWA reps when the going gets tough. AMFA 2013? Not likely if immature people like you and Ken are the organizers. AMFA has the crappiest record of representing their members unless you only count the 20% of their peak membership as the winners. The line got to keep working while all the overhaul members lost their jobs. AMFA is such a great organization? So you can direct elect the officers who screw you and you can watch them doing it because the have "open" negotiations. That's freaking awesome Chuck. You know how to pick a winner!

Chuck you came out of the closet. Now you and Ken can be the flip flop twins. No back back bone I see. How's the marriage counseling business working out? Do any contracting lately? When is Bob coming out of the closet Chuck. You have never been a TWU member yet you cross dressed saying you were going to fight for change but instead when you couldn't get it your way you bolt. Very childish Chuck. I can see you crossing the picket line like the AMFA NWA reps when the going gets tough. AMFA 2013? Not likely if immature people like you and Ken are the organizers. AMFA has the crappiest record of representing their members unless you only count the 20% of their peak membership as the winners. The line got to keep working while all the overhaul members lost their jobs. AMFA is such a great organization? So you can direct elect the officers who screw you and you can watch them doing it because the have "open" negotiations. That's freaking awesome Chuck. You know how to pick a winner!

Did you stomp your feet while you wrote this.....Let me get your crying towl!!!

I have been in both camps and I can make a better assessment of who is better for our future in Aviation, If there is one left.
I can solidly tell you that the TWU is the leading concesionary and self serving union. The proof speaks for itself, the TWU has failed for the last time and the Teamsters ploy is an expected curve ball by the TWU. AMFA will take over American Airlines and then being the biggest and wealthiest union will take over the industry and make us one voice like they have always said has to happen to bargain from a position of strength. The current unions in the industry have failed to do it why not let AMFAaccomplish what they set out to do. Based on past concessionary agreements we dont have much to lose. AMFA has a direction lets go with that.

 

[JAFI]

Debbies resume...

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

My advice to you is immediately file a grievance on this with Local 514 or 513 as soon as possible rather than pursuing the matter on this board.

Go to 514 and file a grievance? This is proof enough you don't have a clue whats going on or your choosing to ignore it.

I believe that when the issue reaches the Title II and III officers at the International it will be reviewed properly and, if you are right, it will be remedied. Contrary to some of the nonsense posted here, I have heard that several International and Local officers have already raised questions about this arrangement.

What nonsense is being posted here? Where did you hear International and Local officers were asking questions? Is this first hand or third hand information?

I can’t tell you whether there is a contractual violation or not. That depends on issues such as the validity of the credited experience claimed by people putting in for transfers.

Then why even comment if you don't know whats going on?

 

[swamt]

Realityck and Overspeed is giving input of the current sitsuation. Nuff said folks. Get a clue... HELLO!!!

 

[JAFI]

File the grievance with local 513. Cross out and void the verbage at the bottom that allows the TWU to handle it. Do not call attention to it, just do it. Let the union work the grievance to the end. KEEP NOTES of everything, every time you speak with someone.

Whoever posted that the grievance has to be exhausted prior to the courts hearing it is correct. Hopefully 513 will handle it properly. If they do not, then you have your day in court. But remember that this is a war and not a battle. You need to fight smart and not emotionally. If it does go to court, the company and the union will try to make you out to be a disgruntled employee. Dont give them any ammunition.

 

[proAMT]

Pleased to see that Chuck is once again supporting craft unionism.
Like Chuck, I believe a craft union will represent us and our craft best.
I firmly believe that Bob will always support whomever will best represent his membership.
I'm sure Chuck feels the same.

Like Chuck I once attempted to "change from within".
I was a shop steward and I ran for VP of the TWU 514 in 2010.
Large parts of my platform were transparency, modernization and fiscal responsibility.
Are we there yet?

The TWU does not like to operate with transparency (ask Sam).

With the TWU there is no change from within unless Jim Little wants to put on a show.

The TWU has proven to me that they are more interested in advancing themselves rather than representing us in a professional manner. TWU officers holding vote yes signs in front of the gate supporting a contract that was worse than the first contract offered is a prime example.

At my station the TWU represented fleet service personnel lost their jobs to contract workers earning less than $10 an hour. The surprising part is that these workers are unionized-they are represented by the Transport Workers Union.

I support AMFA here in Seattle and I urge all my fellow mechanics and related to fill out AMFA cards in order to unseat the TWU. For those who are not mechanics and related I would search for better representation than the TWU.

I have been asked to consider being the union station chief here in Seattle, my reply.....not as long as the TWU is the union NO WAY.

Here in Seattle the majority of us AMT's have signed AMFA cards. There are a handful who have not but I believe the majority of them will see the light and support AMFA either before or after AMFA represents us.

Go AMFA
Go 'Hawks

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

At my station the TWU represented fleet service personnel lost their jobs to contract workers earning less than $10 an hour. The surprising part is that these workers are unionized-they are represented by the Transport Workers Union.

I am not surprised at all. That is "par for the course" so to speak. I am sure the company got twice the manpower and the UNION got the same amount of dues.