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insp89 said:
Who cares who bombarded who. A vote is a vote confused or not. They didn't get to revote in Florida and that was for the president.
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700, the point isn't when a new certification will take place. We can talk about that and the AGW another time. First on the agenda is a decert that will be needed to improve working conditions should the company become profitable. This new IAM negotiated contract was for an airline that is on the verge of bankruptcy....not for a viable one.
Unfortunately, there is no snapbacks, no nothing so that when your company becomes a viable company and moves forward, your chapter 7 contract stays in concrete if not moving backwards. At that point, the only way to improve working conditions is to get rid of the IAM and it's million dollar baby. People normally vote in unions to improve working conditions, however, in the above scenerio it will be reversed. The working conditions can only be improved if the IAM is thrown out.
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Unfortunately, there is no snapbacks, no nothing so that when your company becomes a viable company and moves forward, your chapter 7 contract stays in concrete if not moving backwards. At that point, the only way to improve working conditions is to get rid of the IAM and it's million dollar baby. People normally vote in unions to improve working conditions, however, in the above scenerio it will be reversed. The working conditions can only be improved if the IAM is thrown out.
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Explain how without a union, without a contract, without ANY representation that US Airways out of the kindness of their heart will give you anything better?
You seriousily need a reality check, I hate to be in your shoes if your wishes come true. The company will make 1992 look like a family reunion compared to what they will do if a decertification ever happens.
You will have to join the witness protection program.
So if your thinking is reality, every union on the property should be decertified?
And what about AMFA at UAL since they have agreed to concessions?
You have really gone off the deep end this time, did you not learn when you filed short on cards years back and you any union had a one year bar imposed that the company kept taking more and there was not a thing any of you could have done anything about it?
You really need to take a step back and think about what you are posting. If you were a union person, like your self-annoitend title of interim director of the AGW, you would never want to put anyone in the line of fire for a company to do as it pleases.
If anyone that tries to represent workers speaks of what you speak, you would not be fit to represent a dog:
From the AGW web page:
That would cause more harm on your coworkers then anything else, how could you sleep at night knowing you can cause the layoff and decimation of your group?
You seriousily need a reality check, I hate to be in your shoes if your wishes come true. The company will make 1992 look like a family reunion compared to what they will do if a decertification ever happens.
You will have to join the witness protection program.
So if your thinking is reality, every union on the property should be decertified?
And what about AMFA at UAL since they have agreed to concessions?
You have really gone off the deep end this time, did you not learn when you filed short on cards years back and you any union had a one year bar imposed that the company kept taking more and there was not a thing any of you could have done anything about it?
You really need to take a step back and think about what you are posting. If you were a union person, like your self-annoitend title of interim director of the AGW, you would never want to put anyone in the line of fire for a company to do as it pleases.
If anyone that tries to represent workers speaks of what you speak, you would not be fit to represent a dog:
From the AGW web page:
That would cause more harm on your coworkers then anything else, how could you sleep at night knowing you can cause the layoff and decimation of your group?
700,
You really need to take off your rose colored IAM/Company glasses. No contract is the same as being IAM represented!! Only we are paying for this piss-clam union, who assisted the company in the largest pay-benefit-retirement-job grab yet!
What the company did in 92, was done without a union. What was done three times in a row was with IAM assistance. So there is NO difference between Non-Union and being represented by the IAM. :down: :down:
You really need to take off your rose colored IAM/Company glasses. No contract is the same as being IAM represented!! Only we are paying for this piss-clam union, who assisted the company in the largest pay-benefit-retirement-job grab yet!
What the company did in 92, was done without a union. What was done three times in a row was with IAM assistance. So there is NO difference between Non-Union and being represented by the IAM. :down: :down:
Your group voted for it and even in this final offer from the company you kept your exsisting pension IAM negotiated for you in the first round of concessions.
Yes there is a big difference and if you can't figure it out, you are not worth replying to anymore.
Yes there is a big difference and if you can't figure it out, you are not worth replying to anymore.
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700,
What's a union person? Someone who dies on the union hill as workers get pissed on by it? As the union exploits the workers for dues? Better yet, why are the AFLCIO unions in the fetus positon? Please don't tell me it's because of President Bush...tha AFLCIO made that one up themselves.
The AFLCIO unions no longer exist for the protection of workers. They exist now solely as a fund-raising machine for the Democratic Party. They exist to promote a left-wing agenda that has nothing to do with protecting their workers.
THere is much objective material showing where 80% of the dues goes to and why very little is spent on actual collective bargaining.
At any rate, if your company starts making hundreds of millions of dollars then it just doesn't make 'good sense' to keep a chapter 7 contract that isn't worth $500 of dues per year.
regards,
What's a union person? Someone who dies on the union hill as workers get pissed on by it? As the union exploits the workers for dues? Better yet, why are the AFLCIO unions in the fetus positon? Please don't tell me it's because of President Bush...tha AFLCIO made that one up themselves.
The AFLCIO unions no longer exist for the protection of workers. They exist now solely as a fund-raising machine for the Democratic Party. They exist to promote a left-wing agenda that has nothing to do with protecting their workers.
THere is much objective material showing where 80% of the dues goes to and why very little is spent on actual collective bargaining.
At any rate, if your company starts making hundreds of millions of dollars then it just doesn't make 'good sense' to keep a chapter 7 contract that isn't worth $500 of dues per year.
regards,
Tim Nelson
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700UW said:
700,
FSA is the contracted help if they have this chapter 7 contract in the year 2009. It would be mind boggling to suggest each FSA should continue paying $500 a year in the year 2006 if the company is far removed from bankruptcy and making the hundreds of millions they are now projecting.
Face it, the IAM is no more than a left wing political fund raising machine for the democratic party, particularly it's left wing social elements which have nothing to do with labor.
regards,
Keep dodging every question poised to you. I am not gonna waste my time if you can't answer a simple question asked of you.
If you decertify how is US Airways going to improve your pay, benefits and working conditions especially with the track record of how they treated the non-union groups in the past?
Your MO is typical, throw everything else out there instead of answering the questions when you know you are wrong.
If you decertify how is US Airways going to improve your pay, benefits and working conditions especially with the track record of how they treated the non-union groups in the past?
Your MO is typical, throw everything else out there instead of answering the questions when you know you are wrong.
Justaramper said:
Please refer to page 94 of the initial 1999 Fleet Service Agreement. Sure enough, there's Jerry's name.
Now refer to page 122 of same, and sure enough, GSO is listed as a class I station.
And I'm sorry this thread turned into a IAM/AGW pissing contest. In my view, AGW is not the answer.
And, in my view, if the IAM does not become responsive and accountable to the membership, they too, are not the answer.
No one has said, no Dio, you are wrong - IAM did seek guidance from ALL of the membership; they DID poll the members.
No one has said, no Dio, you are wrong - IAM did seat affected members on the MDA and negotiating committees.
No one has said, no Dio, you are wrong - the membership has been prepared for a strike.
And no one will.
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700!!!!!....calm down!!!!! Everyone knows that the IAM did their best!!!! This has only been an on-going fiasco for, what?.......over10 years now?...Just listen to what your saying. Decertification at this point means NOTHING!!! Those that remain HAVE NOTHING!!!....except a JOB.....maybe thats what they want!....Maybe, just maybe they are willing to take their chances with another union, even if it maybe several years from now! Getting nervous,700?...Oh, don't worry, you will get with the International and deal with some sort of union business in arkansas!!!! LOL700UW said:
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You know I gave you that one!!! 😛700UW said:
