RIF Notices

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Thursday, November 29, 2012, at 10:00 AM CT

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[AMFAinMIAMI]

There have been a few questions as to the rif, here in Miami. have all the system available openings been filled? If not then why are guys being rif'd? Shouldn't all opening be filled first?????? is it true that the

What stations have the TWU and AA agreed to red circle?

Has the TWU made a deal with certain locals to protect their members over other locals members?


Any info on these questions will help..

 

[BigMac]

I'm hearing 75 AFW folx have chosen to use their bumping rights to bump into TULE soon.

 

[iluvaa]

Can't bump amts in tule we are not a junior station

 

[AA Tulsa Mechanic]

They can bump OSMS and cleaners in Tulsa. No AMTS.

 

[Tex-Mech]

There have been a few questions as to the rif, here in Miami. have all the system available openings been filled? If not then why are guys being rif'd? Shouldn't all opening be filled first?????? is it true that the

What stations have the TWU and AA agreed to red circle?

Has the TWU made a deal with certain locals to protect their members over other locals members?


Any info on these questions will help..

Openings dont get filled first. That was decided I believe by arbitration after the last RIF when many of us were screwed.
Have yet to hear anything about a red circle or any deals. So far AFW, Tulsa and DFW are the only ones losing headcount.

 

[Bob Owens]

Openings dont get filled first. That was decided I believe by arbitration after the last RIF when many of us were screwed.
Have yet to hear anything about a red circle or any deals. So far AFW, Tulsa and DFW are the only ones losing headcount.

Well to me it does seem nuts that if we have openings in NY, where guys who want to leave cant because they need to backfill, that they wouldnt be filled before they RIF a guy from MIA where they arent reducing headcount. Now you end up with two guys displaced with enough vacancies to absorb the RIF. You end up with a guy in JFK waiting to go back to MIA and a guy in MIA waiting to go back to Tulsa. If they arent going to fill the vacancies first then the senior man should be able to pick any station in the system that he can hold with his seniority and let the bump and rolls really take off. So the guy in AFW that has people junior in DFW bumps there. then that guy bumps the next and so on. If one rate of pay is good enough for everyone no matter where they live then it really should not matter whether they end up in New York instead of Miami right?

 

[Tex-Mech]

Well to me it does seem nuts that if we have openings in NY, where guys who want to leave cant because they need to backfill, that they wouldnt be filled before they RIF a guy from MIA where they arent reducing headcount. Now you end up with two guys displaced with enough vacancies to absorb the RIF. You end up with a guy in JFK waiting to go back to MIA and a guy in MIA waiting to go back to Tulsa. If they arent going to fill the vacancies first then the senior man should be able to pick any station in the system that he can hold with his seniority and let the bump and rolls really take off. So the guy in AFW that has people junior in DFW bumps there. then that guy bumps the next and so on. If one rate of pay is good enough for everyone no matter where they live then it really should not matter whether they end up in New York instead of Miami right?

I don't disagree with that. This RIF system seems very anti-union and inconsistent with every RIF. When they closed MCI 2 years ago, those guys, except Gordon, went to DWH vacancies after they kicked the DFW guys out. Those vacancies didn't exist to those of us on the transfer list until the day MCI closed. So although I am headed to Miami, I share the frustration with the Miami poster as I have many people beat in seniority that remain at DFW and DWH. The good news for him is that I do not intend to call it home, just hoping it is a short stay, and I will leave the cowboy hat back here in Fort Worth.

 

[Bob Owens]

I don't disagree with that. This RIF system seems very anti-union and inconsistent with every RIF. When they closed MCI 2 years ago, those guys, except Gordon, went to DWH vacancies after they kicked the DFW guys out. Those vacancies didn't exist to those of us on the transfer list until the day MCI closed. So although I am headed to Miami, I share the frustration with the Miami poster as I have many people beat in seniority that remain at DFW and DWH. The good news for him is that I do not intend to call it home, just hoping it is a short stay, and I will leave the cowboy hat back here in Fort Worth.

Well it gets pretty hot in MIA. The hat may come in handy! I suspect you wont have to stay that long.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Well to me it does seem nuts that if we have openings in NY, where guys who want to leave cant because they need to backfill, that they wouldnt be filled before they RIF a guy from MIA where they arent reducing headcount. Now you end up with two guys displaced with enough vacancies to absorb the RIF. You end up with a guy in JFK waiting to go back to MIA and a guy in MIA waiting to go back to Tulsa. If they arent going to fill the vacancies first then the senior man should be able to pick any station in the system that he can hold with his seniority and let the bump and rolls really take off. So the guy in AFW that has people junior in DFW bumps there. then that guy bumps the next and so on. If one rate of pay is good enough for everyone no matter where they live then it really should not matter whether they end up in New York instead of Miami right?

Bob it was that way many yrs ago but that was with the IAM. Due to one seniority list.

From what I understood since I have been here at AA its the jr guy in the system. So if there are guys in NY,ORD,DFW,LAX or anywhere else in the system they should be first. Vacancies should be filled by the riffed AMT before the bump. But the last few layoffs all have been handled differently. Isnt it the unions job to figure it out not help the company and move people to please AA. OH what am I thinking The TWU and AA are and have been the same here at AA since the beginning.

The AMT's here have contacted outside legal representation and we will see how that pans out.

Don V. & Vandaloo are supposd to be here in Miami to attempt to smooth this over but not fix it.

 

[BigMac]

http://twu514.org/blog/2012/11/29/all-oms-should-be-getting-rescind-letters-form-aa-today-november-29-2012/

 

[Frank Szabo]

Openings dont get filled first. That was decided I believe by arbitration after the last RIF when many of us were screwed.
Have yet to hear anything about a red circle or any deals. So far AFW, Tulsa and DFW are the only ones losing headcount.

The management fellers sounded rather worried in TULE re: the machine shops. I guess everyone in the state of Okiehomie let their machinist inventory hit the floor and now doesn't know what to do.

I had some special family circumstances and left 15 Nov. but generally, I got the impression they'd like to keep all that signed up for the early out, at least as long as possible.

 

[Bob Owens]

The management fellers sounded rather worried in TULE re: the machine shops. I guess everyone in the state of Okiehomie let their machinist inventory hit the floor and now doesn't know what to do.

I had some special family circumstances and left 15 Nov. but generally, I got the impression they'd like to keep all that signed up for the early out, at least as long as possible.

Getting the same impression here as well. I thought that we were such a burden and they could do so much better by sending all this work out??

Just heard about a guy up here in NY who had 30+ years at USAIR, the other bottom feeder airline, our potential mate, who quit and went to Jet Blue. It was the PTO that swung him to give up his seniority and Union card.

AA and the ATD won, they got what they wanted, now they have to live with it. Do for them what they have done for you, should be easy.

 

[NYer]

Bob it was that way many yrs ago but that was with the IAM. Due to one seniority list.

From what I understood since I have been here at AA its the jr guy in the system. So if there are guys in NY,ORD,DFW,LAX or anywhere else in the system they should be first. Vacancies should be filled by the riffed AMT before the bump. But the last few layoffs all have been handled differently. Isnt it the unions job to figure it out not help the company and move people to please AA. OH what am I thinking The TWU and AA are and have been the same here at AA since the beginning.

The AMT's here have contacted outside legal representation and we will see how that pans out.

Don V. & Vandaloo are supposd to be here in Miami to attempt to smooth this over but not fix it.

It's funny when some people complain, yet they don't have the basic understanding of the process that is clearly spelled out in the CBA. Those being RIF'd get the choice of whether they want to fill a vacancy or bump within the juniority list. If someone being displaced doesn't want to come to NY and their seniority allows them to hold somewhere else, then they should have that choice.

The juniority process used here is to try and impact the least amount of people as possible. Letting someone being RIF'd bump into anywhere their seniority holds has the potential to affect many, many more people unnecessarily. For instance, a 25 year year guys bumps a 24 year guy in NY, who bumps a 23 year guy in MIA, who bumps a 22 year guy in ORD, who bumps a 21 year guy in DFW, who bumps a 20 year guy in NY....and so on. In the end the junior guy get bumped, so instead of affecting all those people let's find out where that junior guy is and that's the choice for the person being RIF'd. It's just common sense.

 

[Kev3188]

If they arent going to fill the vacancies first then the senior man should be able to pick any station in the system that he can hold with his seniority and let the bump and rolls really take off. So the guy in AFW that has people junior in DFW bumps there. then that guy bumps the next and so on. If one rate of pay is good enough for everyone no matter where they live then it really should not matter whether they end up in New York instead of Miami right?

That's how any reduction in force should be; any furloughed employee should be able to go anywhere his/her seniority can hold- and that should include being able to bump into any open positions at a given point if that's where they want to go.