Ramp Rat Voting results second update

[isthisok]

Hey Jimmy... whats happening?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yep! Lists of those voting are going to be kept also. It is not only your right to vote but your responsibility!
By the way I was told that they didn't want to give us much so there was something left for the mechanics. We are not the mechanics but we don't want to be the new utility also.......get my drift?

TPA votes on Friday, MCO on Thursday. Once PIT post their votes that should conclude things unless BOS post thier votes tonight. TPA, MCO and every other station should vote 100% No at that point.

Fleet always gets baited first with the small portion of the pie.

regards,

 

[727_4_Ever]

I'm looking forward to the PIT tally tomorrow. In CLT I work with a bunch of great ex-PIT guys who are on the same page as us. I have full confidence that the PIT guys will give'em HELL tomorrow at the polls. The NO vote looks strong so far and now if we can only get it even higher and send this one out of the park all the way back to the sand castle in the west. Be prepared for the next T/A to possibly be a reshuffled mess similar to what we were given this time. This company seems to know nothing but sticking it to employees. Look at how they've treated their own out west all these years. They took an bankrupt forced, industry worst contract for Fleet and attempted to give it to their west employees and ask for profit sharing back. What a favor that was. Let's let the IAM know that we aren't paying dues to remain the bottom feeders of the industry while our company is raking in more profits than all but Southwest. Look at the injunction that the company filed days before the first arbitration and it shows how they plan to run this company. Off of the employees backs. It tells that the business plan of this company is based on the cuts imposed on the workers. Notice that some airlines have leadership in place that can turn a profit by having a great route structure, a competent marketing plan, and well treated employees. US Airways is obviously not that type of airline. The people running this company have no other means in place to make money but for the dismal treatment of employees. Now this dismal treatment has been passed on to our passengers. Now not only do we have the worst pay and benefits in the industry but we also are the worst in every DOT category. The only thing we seem to be able to lead the industry in is Executive pay and bonuses. Doug likes to say that he'll never pay what used to be paid to our employees or have the benefits that used to be given. The industry has changed and those days are gone. What he always fails to mention is the fact that the Executive pay and benefits will never be what used to be given either. They'll be so much higher than they used to be that it should be a crime. In the end that's all that seems to matter in the sand castle because nothing is being done to correct anything else. Hang tough everyone and demand better. The new advertising slogan....."THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES." The commercials can feature both employees and customers alike.

 

[wings396]

Any updates with the vote counts from yesterday???? :huh:

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

I just returned from the PIT union hall and it looks like a very big turnout as of 1:00 PM over 80% turnout already and it looks like a very big no will come from PIT---the votes will be counted around 6:30 PM so I will try and post the numbers here later....

It looks like Canale and the IAM ( I AM MANAGEMENT) team will have to earn their paychecks they get from us for a change....

 

[robbedagain]

heard today that bos, pit, lga, mco, were all no votes as was sfo dont know to be exact but just what i heard

 

[Tim Nelson]

heard today that bos, pit, lga, mco, were all no votes as was sfo dont know to be exact but just what i heard

PIt is having an impressive turnout. As of 3pm there were around or over 300 votes cast out of 396 total. My source said they didn't think there was one single Yes vote. Most workers are proud of their NO vote and just marking the ballot in plain view. We'll see how things turn out and if they can get a 90% participation. Jimmy if you get the numbers then let us know. Also, talked to someone in BOS and although nothing is official, he said BOS was a NO for sure. Dunno yet.

I think most fleet would like to see a 85% systemwide rejection. PHX sat you all back but most stations are making up for it.

regards,

 

[leprechaun]

Boston is voting on Thursday.

 

[lithuanian]

Maybe it's time for the AWA Fleet to confront IAM and ask for their own VOTE. We are the Red Headed Stepchild, right? And East tells us that this decision to go NO on the interim contract till 2011 will benefit all parties involved (eventually). So, we are to believe the Arbitrator will decide, fairly, in the IAM' favor. I was told by our friend Chandlee, that COC will only decide which side gets to control the contract. And, therefore, there is no change for Westies and the East are willing to wait.
Is it at all possible since we out West have no control due to the numbers, that we could conduct our own special vote, absent East, to declare equal pay even if it results in loss of benefits as such the East up to and thru one more year to 2009.
We have be advised we would give up benefits, such as East to accept pay. What would be the worse thing for the one year up to 2009, loss of benefits or monitary gains. This vote would let AWA FLeet determine equal playing fields till the end of the contract 0f2009. It would be decided only by employees of the West. And it would parrallel the East pilots decision to their monetary Catch-up. And then we would All go on to create a unified contract.
West actually has no players for ourselves in any of this. IAM wants their dues, East wants it their way. So, let the union create a vote that only West can decide. And it will be temporary till 2009 but will give the merger of Fleet employees of AWA a real VOICE in their futures.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe it's time for the AWA Fleet to confront IAM and ask for their own VOTE. We are the Red Headed Stepchild, right? And East tells us that this decision to go NO on the interim contract till 2011 will benefit all parties involved (eventually). So, we are to believe the Arbitrator will decide, fairly, in the IAM' favor. I was told by our friend Chandlee, that COC will only decide which side gets to control the contract. And, therefore, there is no change for Westies and the East are willing to wait.
Is it at all possible since we out West have no control due to the numbers, that we could conduct our own special vote, absent East, to declare equal pay even if it results in loss of benefits as such the East up to and thru one more year to 2009.
We have be advised we would give up benefits, such as East to accept pay. What would be the worse thing for the one year up to 2009, loss of benefits or monitary gains. This vote would let AWA FLeet determine equal playing fields till the end of the contract 0f2009. It would be decided only by employees of the West. And it would parrallel the East pilots decision to their monetary Catch-up. And then we would All go on to create a unified contract.
West actually has no players for ourselves in any of this. IAM wants their dues, East wants it their way. So, let the union create a vote that only West can decide. And it will be temporary till 2009 but will give the merger of Fleet employees of AWA a real VOICE in their futures.

I hate to be crude but I personally have felt that the west have let darn near everyone piss on them, because of PHX which appears to be 'too close to management'. Until the west stops selling themselves out and 'uninstalls' easties like Mendenhall to represent them, they will continue to sit and get nothing EVEN though their contract is ammendable. YOU CAN FORCE THE IAM TO BRING THE COMPANY BACK TO NEGOTIATE YOUR CONTRACT. For Pete's sake, the east can only dream of that because their contract doesn't come up until 16 more months. Instead of marching on the Sand Castle, you folks out west should be picketing your IAM local, contacting a solid attorney [I may be of help in this to you] and put the IAM in federal court with a DFR for refusing to start section 6 contract negotiations. There is absolutely NO reason why any America West worker [in his right mind] should give up all his benefits at a time your contract is ammendable with a company that is making 'billions'. Again, your contract is ammendable.....Puh leeeessssseeee Enuf already!!!! If the situation were reversed, the east would be 'all up in' the IAM'.

You guys are getting screwed over by the IAM since it refuses to recognize section 6 negotiations. The company is just being the company, they aren't going to section 6 negotiate if the union is telling them to 'shelve it'. At any rate, the westies are going to have to learn to have enough respect for themselves to keep the union accountable as opposed to rolling over in baby doo doo.

If the East siders have to wait till 2009 then they will support the west in section 6 negotiations. The better the west comes out, the better the position the east siders would be in. Westies deserve a fair and equitable contract and should not sell out for a 'piss clam' I am Management contract.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Class 2 East stations

My understanding is:

BUF 42 Yes 4 NO
JAx 24 Yes 9 NO

ORD 6 yes 32 No

Nelson's edit: ORD is the first, class 2 station, that stuck this thing right back at the company with over 80% NO. I'm proud of this one because these folks saw through the 'wage bait', were highly educated, and plus it's my own local. But this is Chicago and that's how they operate. Tuffa Lucka!

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

BREAKING NEWS:

PIT 385 eligible
PIT 340 voted, a voter turnout record of 88% turnout. Freakn Phenomenal. PIT is awesome!


PIT NO 316
PIT Yes 24
No vote: 93%

The contract is now done. A No vote. There is no reason for anyone to vote yes now. Should be all No's.
Remember, this thing is done. BOS and all others should vote NO at this point. Remember a yes vote now is a vote for Parker, A NO vote is a vote for solidarity.

regards,

 

[lithuanian]

Yes! So the East MIGHT have come out ahead. You guys will never leave this doomed airline, will you. And it looks like it is all about American workers and nothing to say about the International fellas working over in Athens. It is all about saving America. So, what would make airline employees stand out against China. We know what it is: But how can we prove it to global players with the inflated Vision they have produced against the Bransons of Virgin Airlines. I think they are the next generation of Anarchists. These are supposed leaders that lead to lawless confusion and political disorder or general disorder.
So, my suggestion is to help management manage political opposites and appease both sides. If AWA voted and approved the differences in pay and benefits and or opposed the choice and stayed the course with the old TWU contract, the IAM would benefit the west with the special VOTE and the East would go ahead as planned with the Change of Control, the company would not be dealing with 2,000 irate AWA Fleet employees. Let the West become a player and then go ahead with COC. God forbid the Arbitrator recognized the Nicolau award the pilots are fighting and awarded the West/East Fleet a blended senority list just to spite the arrogant leaders of US Airways. (Which, by the way, is not the first time). Then all parties would be satisfied to Wait It Out intil the 2010 plan of the original Merger.

 

[700UW]

If the change of control is won, as I hope it will be, it will not benefit the west, only the east, and it will only raise wages and pay backpay, nothing else.

And the company does not have to negotiate a new CBA for west or east, they only thing they are obligated to do is negotiate a transition agreement to put all the west under the east cba.

 

[philly rocks]

700UW is now sounding like "freedom the ice man"!

Great NO solidarity votes from Pit / Ord !

What about Ewr-Lga-Jfk? Didn't they vote already?