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usa320pilot,

are there any provisions in the pilots current contract that stops the company from :
1. increasing the number of hours flown per day / month however it is determined ?

2. rolling any of it's hubs at the current time ?





maybe management has begun to heed !!!!!
 
1. increasing the number of hours flown per day / month however it is determined ?

2. rolling any of it's hubs at the current time ?

Actually we would prefer that management complete both of those tasks.
 
seeking the truth said:
are there any provisions in the pilots current contract that stops the company from :
1. increasing the number of hours flown per day / month however it is determined ?

2. rolling any of it's hubs at the current time ?
These cost savings are being "held hostage" until the workers pony up to Consessions part 3. :down:
 
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USA320PILOT,

Are you out there ? To the other responders, thank you.



Maybe management has begun to heed !!!!!
 
Allow me truth. I am much senior to 320. Much of what he posts is factual but tinged with fear and opinion. Hard to separate facts from his fear. That is purposeful. His focus is that the employees will sink or save the company. Of course, that is not true. Management is key. Always has been. Always will be. He will not respond when the response will cast management in a bad light. I have no idea why that is. He fancies himself as a management/industry guru. Fact is, he is just a pilot who has a lot of free time to read news clippings and post opinion.

We have been severely mismangaged since the Schoefield days. Yet we are still here. That speaks volumes of our ability to remain through the incompetence. It goes to the heart of our strength. We fly where the people are. And our employees can work unfettered with the proverbial "liquidation" guns to our heads.

Now we have "new" management. They must change our business model in a changing industry. Quite simply, the industry is not selling the product to cover the costs involved. Management's response is to cut the costs, not raise the price. As the LCC carriers mature, they realize their prices will not cover their costs. Ergo LUV's recent offer of early outs to a majority of their employees.
Part of the cost cutting from the flight crew involves what you say. More hours and rolling hubs. Basically, more productivity.

Yes, they could have done it long ago. Question is, why didn't they? Are they doing it now? Lakefield has stated he will implement his plan AFTER the labor talks (read givebacks) are complete. Seems like the non labor part of it should be well underway IMO. Is it? It certainly was not with Siegel in charge.

Maybe they are waiting because they know we will make money without the labor part of it and don't want us to see it. Maybe not. Fact is, we have no trust for these guys. Lakefield has said some good things but not actually what needs to be said. Maybe that too is part of the plan.

Bottom line is that the intelligent employees will look for actions, not words, to see if management is finally doing something here. If they are, we will be wildly profitable. If not, we will be gone or split up. Maybe that has been the plan all along. It is not about the employees. It is about a management with skills to make it work. 320 doesn't get that. Never has and never will.

mr
 
Seekingthe truth:

Seekingthe truth asked: Increasing the number of hours flown per day/month however it is determined?

USA320Pilot answers: This is not a black and white answer to your question. The current contract does not prohibit more flying, but the current system in place does. US Airways has cut its pilot work force to the minimum required and Crew Scheduling routinely runs out of pilot's and then is forced to POTA -- Priority of Trip Assignment -- a crewmember. The company wants to increase the utilization rate or block hour to pay ratio, but that would require radical changes, which the pilot group has resisted. For example, one key area would be to eliminate the "Bid Sheet", which causes weekend short staffing. ALPA and the company are working on a program called "Pref Bid" that was included in Restructuring II. ALPA is part of the working group for this project, which is running behind schedule, but for example, when this system is functional if you have a trip on a Saturday or Sunday, you will have to work on those days, which is not required now.

Other scheduling issues are trying to match capacity with demand, eliminating different banks in PIT, having an aircraft routed to arrive at a maintenance RON, etc., which all create inefficiency's.

Seekingthetruth asked: Rolling any of it's hubs at the current time?

USA320Pilot answers: No, in fact management has already implemented this and has started de-peaking the PHL hub. In addition, pilots are encouraged to use alternate PHL runways that has helped reduce congestion. From a marketing perspective, the only hub that can be rolled and not lose precious revenue is PHL because PIT (to be eliminated as a hub on October 2) and CLT have too low of O&D traffic.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Mwereplanes:

Mwereplanes: Allow me truth. I am much senior to 320. Much of what he posts is factual but tinged with fear and opinion. Hard to separate facts from his fear. That is purposeful. His focus is that the employees will sink or save the company.

USA320Pilot comments: With all due respect, I disagree with your comments. The information I post is factual to the best of my knowledge and if I introduce an opinion, I use the phrases of “I believeâ€￾ or In my opinion.â€￾ Do I want US Airways to survive/ Absolutely. Am I afraid if it shuts down? No, in fact I believe I am much better prepared for that than most pilots.

By the way, would you PM your name and phone number so we could talk? By the way, what does seniority have to do with the discussion?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
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mwereplanes,
Thanks for the info. I'm in agreement with your post and thought process.

usa320pilot,
Thanks for your reponse. Lets take the LCC and legacy carriers out of the picture for sake of arguement and let's look at just this company. I realize the company is hurting because of the competition. On the other hand if implementing a more efficient operation, be it through increased flying of our assets and rolling hubs has been capable to this management under the current agreements, then why hasn't this happened ?

The company says it will do this and is part of the "PLAN" to save the airline. You always want to see the employees ante up first. If you take a step back and look at this situation without any emotion attached, why is it that this company coming out of bankruptcy, roughly 14 months ago, didn't implement these ideas which are so critical now.

This is nothing knew that was thought up in the last couple of months either. From what I've read publicly the pilot group wants to fly their trips more efficiently so they don't have to sit around airports waiting for their next leg. Many posters on here going back at least a year have mentioned the advantage (cost wise) of a rolling hub operation. Both ideas make alot of sense yet the company has not implemented this yet. I'll accept your statement about the phl hub that it's being implemented. All of this being discussed during the bankruptcy.

So here we are now being asked to ante up again and what has changed. I don't understand your thinking of giving back more, while costs that can be taken out of the operation continue to remain until Labor comes on board again. When this
is truly not the case. The company knows this will save it money but yet drags it's feet. Yet you are all for giving in again and anteing up. Again take a step back, leave emotion out of it and ask yourself why.



Maybe management has begun to heed !!!
 
Is it illusions of grandure? If we (pilots) give in this time of need, we will be rewarded with A380s in the future? A kind of, "buy low, sell high mentality"? What else could it be? This company's track record is poor-with regards to its employees. JMHO

P.S. My leave was just extended for 6 more months, so don't look for any massive recalls in the near future.
 
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Mwereplanes:

Mwereplanes: Allow me truth. I am much senior to 320. Much of what he posts is factual but tinged with fear and opinion. Hard to separate facts from his fear. That is purposeful. His focus is that the employees will sink or save the company.

USA320Pilot comments: With all due respect, I disagree with your comments. The information I post is factual to the best of my knowledge and if I introduce an opinion, I use the phrases of “I believeâ€￾ or In my opinion.â€￾ Do I want US Airways to survive/ Absolutely. Am I afraid if it shuts down? No, in fact I believe I am much better prepared for that than most pilots.

By the way, would you PM your name and phone number so we could talk? By the way, what does seniority have to do with the discussion?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
Were you telling the truth when you said you had experienced a furlough when actually you were only working for a company that furloughed pilots of which you were not a part of ?

Career Furloughee
 
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USA320PILOT,

Any thoughts on this ? Leave emotion out of it.




Maybe management has begun to heed !!!!!
 
I see "PM me with your phone number" has replaced "state your name and employee number" to mean "stop proving me wrong and making me feel bad."
 
CareerFurlough:

In regard to a furlough, my comment was in reference to when I left United over the 570 issue and was unemployed and had no airline income. By the way, if your user name correctly expresses your likely sentiment of anger and venom over your layoffs, what does a comment over a year old on the ALPA message board have to do with anything today?

Respectfully,

USA320pilot
 
LightYears:

The company’s ethics policy no longer permit a person to state their identity on a public message board, therefore, if I want to talk to a person I have no other avenue but to use the PM feature.

What I find interesting is that people like your self pound their chest and insult people and lack decorum when sitting behind a PC. However, you and others will not identify yourself, which I find cowardly.

Would you care to PM your name and phone number? With all due respect, I bet you do not have the courage too.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
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