questions and answers with jeff hayden

[roadtrip]

I've been rereading this thread and wanted to once again state that any one who misread the membership so badly as you did Jeff one should do the honerable thing and resign your appointment.

 

[phlforce]

WEBSITE:IAM141.org

The Change of Control arbitration will be heard on September 13 and 14, 2007. Preparations for the arbitration have been ongoing for nearly two years and did not cease because of the tentative agreement. District 141 and our attorneys are eager to present our case before a neutral party.

Separately, the West agreement is currently amendable and District 141 will continue negotiating to bring West employees under the East agreement and fairly integrate the two work groups.

In solidarity,

 

[perserverance]

Guys and Gals,
I heard we might not be hearing from Mr. Hayden. The IAM has asked
him to STOP !!! as of yesterday but Hayden being Hayden ignored the advice of
other people and continued last night, but as of today no one has heard anything
from him. We'll see but I heard he was asked or told to STOP....!! No matter he wasn't
answering any questions anyway. He just doesn't get it. So if you want keep asking
questions but don't wait on answers.


Thanks

 

[lithuanian]

WEBSITE:IAM141.org

The Change of Control arbitration will be heard on September 13 and 14, 2007. Preparations for the arbitration have been ongoing for nearly two years and did not cease because of the tentative agreement. District 141 and our attorneys are eager to present our case before a neutral party.

Separately, the West agreement is currently amendable and District 141 will continue negotiating to bring West employees under the East agreement and fairly integrate the two work groups.

In solidarity,

Yes. A year ago Bill Chandlee, our West IAM representative on a visit to reassure AWA, stated the COC will result to ONLY a control as to WHO (union or company) will then go on to direct a NEW CONTRACT! This will then result, after the three months of the ARBITRATOR, results close to the end of the year, A direction into a new contract that will incompasse BOTH, the WEST/EAST. Chandlee is an old attorney. He has been IAM for years. His deduction of the COC tells us that no one wins but it gives the union OR company the control into the new contract. I am sticking my neck out because it seems no union leader or representative KNOWS what the "HELL" is an actual COC. This information was imbedded in our minds when Chandlee came and responded to questions in Phoenix almost two years ago.
The first two or three days are verbal discussions for both sides. Then, there is one month where both sides write their written Briefs. Then the Arbitrator has the privilege to review the written briefs for up to 40 t0 60 days. This will then come to the date around 3 or 4 months later. Three days verbal, one month written briefs and then up to two monthe, (60 days to determine). Sept. 13 to possibly into the January month.
This was Mr. Bill Chandlee's version of the COC. It is incomprehensible that our union IAM does not know how a COC is conducted. This hopefully doesn't give the company the upper hand.
This does, otherwise, give us an indication to the lack of experience we are dealing with. Americans need to exert themselves and not allow us to be dictated by others.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Guys and Gals,
I heard we might not be hearing from Mr. Hayden. The IAM has asked
him to STOP !!! as of yesterday but Hayden being Hayden ignored the advice of
other people and continued last night, but as of today no one has heard anything
from him. We'll see but I heard he was asked or told to STOP....!! No matter he wasn't
answering any questions anyway. He just doesn't get it. So if you want keep asking
questions but don't wait on answers.
Thanks

I think Jeff should come on here and say he isn't suppose to answer any more questions if that's the case, and should stand behind his word and answer the questions that were honestly asked to him. Nobody asked him to come on here, he volunteered and we took him at his word. My understanding is that he also solicited support in the PHL breakrooms to support him on here, if that's true then he even let his own supporters down.

At this point it is his duty to stand behind his words. We took him at his word, now you're saying he's a bought man and Canale snuffed him out?
You gotta be kiddn me? Canale even controls who he talks to?

I'm not calling you a liar but I want to give him some time before he gets ripped to shreds by not standing behind his word to us.

FWIW: If he doesn't answer the questions then I'll answer them for you. But I hope Jeff does since he said he wanted to keep us all 'informed'.

Jeff, I'll ask for the 7th time, "Is it possible for the west to come under the east agreement without a vote?" And please respond here to me like you said you would regarding the matter you said you didn't know. you said you would get back to me. I'll take you at your word regardless of this chatter that Canale controls you and wher you talk.

regards,

 

[roadtrip]

Guys and Gals,
I heard we might not be hearing from Mr. Hayden. The IAM has asked
him to STOP !!! as of yesterday but Hayden being Hayden ignored the advice of
other people and continued last night, but as of today no one has heard anything
from him. We'll see but I heard he was asked or told to STOP....!! No matter he wasn't
answering any questions anyway. He just doesn't get it. So if you want keep asking
questions but don't wait on answers.
Thanks

Man oh Man I heard this guy named Griswold going off before and I think he was talking about someone we all know have a listen here



I'm sure Clark is just kidding around

 

[Tim Nelson]

"Trained" to do union work? I guess you and Armedio work out at Joe Fraziers Gym? Is that the kind of training you're refering to?

I'm finding out all about you Jeff Hayden. I just never could grasp how a grown man could be the "Butt Boy" of a Thug and a "Boss". Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

My understanding is that there was a PHL shop steward meeting canceled in PHL but he met with a 'couple' guys, either this morning or sometime recently. Let's see if Jeff listens to what they told him. Although I think Jeff is still accountable to stand behind his word, I think his two comrades who talked to him make 'good sense'.

regards,

 

[lithuanian]

Again! I am stating that no one person in the IAM knows what COC means. You can Dis! anyone you want but we want to know what this Arbitration will hold for East and West. So, talk what you want, rant, boast! But, we will be as of tomorrow, Sept. 13, 2007 in the control of the United Stated Arbitrator. Let this now go the the players that control the merger.

 

[phlforce]

I think all the beard disguise scared him away. Just use some edge gel an come back. We need questions answered.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again! I am stating that no one person in the IAM knows what COC means. You can Dis! anyone you want but we want to know what this Arbitration will hold for East and West. So, talk what you want, rant, boast! But, we will be as of tomorrow, Sept. 13, 2007 in the control of the United Stated Arbitrator. Let this now go the the players that control the merger.

Here's what some of the numbers mean.
$21.19 if awarded. Then at the ammendable date you can add 4.5% on 12-31-09 so:
12-31-09 $22.14 Then 4.5% for an additional 3 years, assuming the union chooses to extend it
12-31-10 $23.14
12-31-11 $24.18
12-31-12 $25.27

I know people have all kinds of opinions on this, and Im sure Jeff may not stand behind this but the arbitrator can only rule on whether it was a violation of the contract or not. It is a process and it is binding. If it was a violation then it's in the agreement and it's non negotiable.

Another thing Jeff apparently didn't know or inform his members on are back wages that would come with an arbitration award. These wages can be totaled to between $20,000 - $30,000 per member plus any other fees/fines/penalties your company would have to pay if it didn't abide by the ruling. The numbers may even go further up for workers who worked more than 40 hours per week.

regards,

 

[phlforce]

Here's what some of the numbers mean.
$21.19 if awarded. Then at the ammendable date you can add 4.5% on 12-31-09 so:
12-31-09 $22.14 Then 4.5% for an additional 3 years, assuming the union chooses to extend it
12-31-10 $23.14
12-31-11 $24.18
12-31-12 $25.27

I know people have all kinds of opinions on this, and Im sure Jeff may not stand behind this but the arbitrator can only rule on whether it was a violation of the contract or not. It is a process and it is binding. If it was a violation then it's in the agreement and it's non negotiable.

Another thing Jeff apparently didn't know or inform his members on are back wages that would come with an arbitration award. These wages can be totaled to between $20,000 - $30,000 per member plus any other fees/fines/penalties your company would have to pay if it didn't abide by the ruling. The numbers may even go further up for workers who worked more than 40 hours per week.

regards,

Jeff said this at the meeting in PHL. If we didnt take that contract it would take at least 2 years after 2009 to get something together or less depending on negotiations. So that being said. Its a win/win situation in my eyes for arbitration. Look at what we get after 2009 if in goes on for 2 years. Plus we get 22 cents in Jan. 2 more profit sharing checks an 4.5% there after ...the scale speaks words.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Jeff said this at the meeting in PHL. If we didnt take that contract it would take at least 2 years after 2009 to get something together or less depending on negotiations. So that being said. Its a win/win situation in my eyes for arbitration. Look at what we get after 2009 if in goes on for 2 years. Plus we get 22 cents in Jan. 2 more profit sharing checks an 4.5% there after ...the scale speaks words.

The main thing is the award. If it's awarded then it is binding. The company has minimal chance after an award. IMO, I can't believe Parker let this go forward and didn't offer a fair and equitable contract. As his hot shot attorneys pointed out, it will cause 'severe harm' to the stakeholders.

If the company drags it out for 2 years then it is the equivalent of winning the lotto and sticking the money in a CD for a couple years. I hope it is won but it is separate from transition.

The big problem is having Jeff and the IAM place the westies in the east contract without a vote. The westies would get screwed over bigtime, whereas the east siders would be used as ' cut out figures' as the 'bitter boys' would just appease Parker and give him what he wants without a vote. That's my feeling on this and Jeff hasn't said this isn't possible.

Another thing I can tell you is this, even if that contract wasn't extended, it would have forced a vote because of the bylaws and key major changes to the contract. We've had "Top" attorneys look at this. "Top" attorneys.

regards,

 

[phlforce]

The main thing is the award. If it's awarded then it is binding. The company has minimal chance after an award. IMO, I can't believe Parker let this go forward and didn't offer a fair and equitable contract. As his hot shot attorneys pointed out, it will cause 'severe harm' to the stakeholders.

If the company drags it out for 2 years then it is the equivalent of winning the lotto and sticking the money in a CD for a couple years. I hope it is won but it is separate from transition.

The big problem is having Jeff and the IAM place the westies in the east contract without a vote. The westies would get screwed over bigtime, whereas the east siders would be used as ' cut out figures' as the 'bitter boys' would just appease Parker and give him what he wants without a vote. That's my feeling on this and Jeff hasn't said this isn't possible.

Another thing I can tell you is this, even if that contract wasn't extended, it would have forced a vote because of the bylaws and key major changes to the contract. We've had "Top" attorneys look at this. "Top" attorneys.

regards,

I keep hearing that it is a SLAM DUNK in our favor for the award. What is your view on this?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I keep hearing that it is a SLAM DUNK in our favor for the award. What is your view on this?

I actually agree with Boss Canale and the IAM on this one, I believe it's a COC. However, the only opinion that counts is arbitrator BLoch.

I've seen some cases that were better that didn't win, and I've seen cases that shouldn't have won, win. It's a game of cards. The COC is something like a Jack so you keep the card and don't fold and either force the company to bluff or finally show the cards after the last card is picked up. Maybe the company picks up an ace that trumps the Jack, then you lose.

But either way it's the company's money to lose.

regards.

 

[jeff hayden]

Jeff thanks for taking time to answer questions.
My question is this, being that I work at one of the 9 or so stations that have joint ops with our west counterparts Is there any chance we will see an agreement that brings them under our contract?
We have a very unique situation at these stations where we work side by side and yet we are not allowed to work flts together as well as join our work scheduals In many ways it makes our working conditions very difficult.
Our we going to be stuck this way for a while or is there a soultiuon comming?

Hello Henderfuzz, At some point we will be under one contract. I understand that must be a difficult situation. Unfortunately I dont know when that will happen. Hang in there and we will get through this. thanks jeff