QC off the b checks

[Rogallo]

 
OSMs are not permitted on the line in the current CBA. Only TUL, AFW, and DWH.

Do FSC's work on the acft in TUL?

 

[AANYER]

Overspeed,
 
Why don't you properly inform the AMT's that FSC's make the Aircraft moves at USAir under their current CBA.  Which is starting to happen to us shortly.  So, I guest FSC's will be working on and moving Aircraft on the line.

 

[700UW]

At US they only park and push and they can brake ride where there is no maintenance, they cant taxi.
 
And they dont move planes from the hangar to the line, that would be a mechanics job or vice versa.

 

[MetalMover]

Overspeed,
 
Why don't you properly inform the AMT's that FSC's make the Aircraft moves at USAir under their current CBA.  Which is starting to happen to us shortly.  So, I guest FSC's will be working on and moving Aircraft on the line.

FSC's WORKING on aircraft? How so?
But you are correct about the moving of aircraft.
It seems that eventually mechanics will just be working on aircraft.  No other "side" functions.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

FSC's WORKING on aircraft? How so?
But you are correct about the moving of aircraft.
It seems that eventually mechanics will just be working on aircraft.  No other "side" functions.

 Metalmover
 
Why Don't we all let the rumor mill go by the way side, "YES" someone may of said that aircraft moves might be done by the ramp but why would we in A/C maintenance give it up. It was ours then we sent it to the ramp. Now we talk about it going away. What ever job scope we have now WE all should fight to keep it. It's our work. 
 
Just how much are YOU willing to give away, all of YOU?
 
O/H is going away just due to the fact that AA bought new aircraft, and to be in line with all the other carriers. Lots of jobs there.
 
We gave away fuel tank work, and stuff we as AMT's just don't want to do but at what point do we all say, "wait a minute here" that is ours we want it we intend to keep it.
 
Some say it's only the taxi/tow crew, or the I check or interior crew, what is it going to take for all of you to realise soon it will be your job they are after then what? Is that when you will be ready to fight.
 
Alot of work we are willing to let go has guys with a lot of seniority, we say they need to get back into their tools. Not real mechanics any more. When they all come back to the floor on a reg crew taking your shift and days off, is that going to be the time you sit up and say whoa, wait. When you are forced back to night shift with W/T off for another 5 yrs.
 
QA/QC off the "B" checks more and more work/responsibility is being on the AMT work force in today's airline Biz. It's time as well we take that and use to better our class and craft. Make it stronger, so that we can use that to get back the money, vacation, Holidays, and the rest of the reasons we got into this career field.
 
That coin you got was not a IAW coin, it's a You're on your own and we will hold YOU responsible/accountable coin. More CBT's and 2hr classes so that AA can put it in your training record, then say we told you and you are now the one which AA can point to and say you were trained.
 
The industry is NOT what it used to be, an exciting job and fun to come to work.
Now it's watch what you say, or do because some one has HR on speed dial.
What's that crew doing, what deal do they have I don't? And we all know that the union is and has been in bed with the company for so long we have dug a grave, that id going to be hard to dig out of.
 
We need to change the culture here at AA, the IGM mentality needs to go away.
 
We all need to work together to better our class and craft and keep what work we have.
NOT bargain it away, we have seen enough of that don't YOU think????? 

 

[MetalMover]

 Metalmover
 
Why Don't we all let the rumor mill go by the way side, "YES" someone may of said that aircraft moves might be done by the ramp but why would we in A/C maintenance give it up. It was ours then we sent it to the ramp. Now we talk about it going away. What ever job scope we have now WE all should fight to keep it. It's our work. 
 
 

Are you serious with this question? WHY WOULD WE IN A/C MAINTENANCE GIVE IT UP?
Because we had already given up pushbacks and even deicing 30 years ago. Do you remember when we only taxied aircraft and fleet pushed us out even the maintenance moves?
Guess what AMFAinMIAMI?  There is nothing in our contract that gives us the exclusive right to move aircraft? Our Scope includes moving of aircraft, but so does fleet. Were you here in 1983 when the company was given everything it asked for? Cross-utilization being a biggie.
Look in our contract and see where it says only we will move aircraft.
Now, would you like to go item by item to see what job functions the mechanics have lost over the decades?
 
Be prepared that what ever the contract ALLOWS for will be taken full advantage of...

 

[1AA]

Are you serious with this question? WHY WOULD WE IN A/C MAINTENANCE GIVE IT UP?
Because we had already given up pushbacks and even deicing 30 years ago. Do you remember when we only taxied aircraft and fleet pushed us out even the maintenance moves?
Guess what AMFAinMIAMI?  There is nothing in our contract that gives us the exclusive right to move aircraft? Our Scope includes moving of aircraft, but so does fleet. Were you here in 1983 when the company was given everything it asked for? Cross-utilization being a biggie.
Look in our contract and see where it says only we will move aircraft.
Now, would you like to go item by item to see what job functions the mechanics have lost over the decades?
 
Be prepared that what ever the contract ALLOWS for will be taken full advantage of...

Contract? What Contract? Do we even have a Contract?

 

[Overspeed]

Are you serious with this question? WHY WOULD WE IN A/C MAINTENANCE GIVE IT UP?
Because we had already given up pushbacks and even deicing 30 years ago. Do you remember when we only taxied aircraft and fleet pushed us out even the maintenance moves?
Guess what AMFAinMIAMI?  There is nothing in our contract that gives us the exclusive right to move aircraft? Our Scope includes moving of aircraft, but so does fleet. Were you here in 1983 when the company was given everything it asked for? Cross-utilization being a biggie.
Look in our contract and see where it says only we will move aircraft.
Now, would you like to go item by item to see what job functions the mechanics have lost over the decades?
 
Be prepared that what ever the contract ALLOWS for will be taken full advantage of...

 
You are getting ahead of yourself. If the company tried to change all aircraft moves to FSC the TWU would have a great past practice argument. Since 1983 the company never tried to have MX moves done by FSC and therefore that work was never intended to be shifted.
 
And US does do MX moves in their big cities with AMTs just like AA. Smaller MX stations are mixed. Taxis will always be MX.

 

[Overspeed]

 Metalmover
 
Why Don't we all let the rumor mill go by the way side, "YES" someone may of said that aircraft moves might be done by the ramp but why would we in A/C maintenance give it up. It was ours then we sent it to the ramp. Now we talk about it going away. What ever job scope we have now WE all should fight to keep it. It's our work. 
 
Just how much are YOU willing to give away, all of YOU?
 
O/H is going away just due to the fact that AA bought new aircraft, and to be in line with all the other carriers. Lots of jobs there.
 
We gave away fuel tank work, and stuff we as AMT's just don't want to do but at what point do we all say, "wait a minute here" that is ours we want it we intend to keep it.
 
Some say it's only the taxi/tow crew, or the I check or interior crew, what is it going to take for all of you to realise soon it will be your job they are after then what? Is that when you will be ready to fight.
 
Alot of work we are willing to let go has guys with a lot of seniority, we say they need to get back into their tools. Not real mechanics any more. When they all come back to the floor on a reg crew taking your shift and days off, is that going to be the time you sit up and say whoa, wait. When you are forced back to night shift with W/T off for another 5 yrs.
 
QA/QC off the "B" checks more and more work/responsibility is being on the AMT work force in today's airline Biz. It's time as well we take that and use to better our class and craft. Make it stronger, so that we can use that to get back the money, vacation, Holidays, and the rest of the reasons we got into this career field.
 
That coin you got was not a IAW coin, it's a You're on your own and we will hold YOU responsible/accountable coin. More CBT's and 2hr classes so that AA can put it in your training record, then say we told you and you are now the one which AA can point to and say you were trained.
 
The industry is NOT what it used to be, an exciting job and fun to come to work.
Now it's watch what you say, or do because some one has HR on speed dial.
What's that crew doing, what deal do they have I don't? And we all know that the union is and has been in bed with the company for so long we have dug a grave, that id going to be hard to dig out of.
 
We need to change the culture here at AA, the IGM mentality needs to go away.
 
We all need to work together to better our class and craft and keep what work we have.
NOT bargain it away, we have seen enough of that don't YOU think????? 

 
Moving tasks from QA to AMT is being done per the GPM. The FAA approves the GPM so how is it the TWU's fault for the GPM being changed? Besides, shouldn't QA people be filing grievances under scope and classification if they truly think it is their work? Peterson could file a 29(d) but has he?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
Moving tasks from QA to AMT is being done per the GPM. The FAA approves the GPM so how is it the TWU's fault for the GPM being changed? Besides, shouldn't QA people be filing grievances under scope and classification if they truly think it is their work? Peterson could file a 29(d) but has he?

 
O/S
 
"YES" I do know that the FAA approves the changes to the GPM. I never said it was TWU's fault. But it is the TWU's fault for language not being in the contract to protect
the membership.
 
Filing a 29(d) as you put it since it effect most of the class 1 stations that should be done, your correct with that if the Local 591 officers feel it is warranted.
Just filing a grievance to show that the TWU is pretends it cares is a waste since it doesn't. There is NO inter-station communication when it comes to big issues anyway.

 

[MetalMover]

 
You are getting ahead of yourself. If the company tried to change all aircraft moves to FSC the TWU would have a great past practice argument. Since 1983 the company never tried to have MX moves done by FSC and therefore that work was never intended to be shifted.
 
And US does do MX moves in their big cities with AMTs just like AA. Smaller MX stations are mixed. Taxis will always be MX.

No one is talking about TAXIING...We are talking about moving aircraft using towbarless high speed tractors. 
I guess you weren't around when MX pushed live trips.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Are you serious with this question? WHY WOULD WE IN A/C MAINTENANCE GIVE IT UP?
Because we had already given up pushbacks and even deicing 30 years ago. Do you remember when we only taxied aircraft and fleet pushed us out even the maintenance moves?
Guess what AMFAinMIAMI?  There is nothing in our contract that gives us the exclusive right to move aircraft? Our Scope includes moving of aircraft, but so does fleet. Were you here in 1983 when the company was given everything it asked for? Cross-utilization being a biggie.
Look in our contract and see where it says only we will move aircraft.
Now, would you like to go item by item to see what job functions the mechanics have lost over the decades?
 
Be prepared that what ever the contract ALLOWS for will be taken full advantage of...

 
Metalmover
 
"NO" I was not here at AA in 83, I was at Eastern then where the guys there had spines when it came to battling the bs management attempted. Most of the bs that has done to our class and craft has started here at AA. AA/TWU are all in the same, they have soaked the heads of most here into believing that we are the biggest and the best.
This has been going on so long most blue blood AA people still think its so.
 
Even the purchase of the MD80's was taken from your pocket. Now the new A/C and the paint.
 
This is not a new practice EAL did it to us there as well but not to the lengths the TWU has let it happen here. Selling out the employees. Both FSC and AMT's.
 
metal mover we all know what we here at AA have given up. All done with out even a whimper. It's time to reboot the system since most here don't know what it is to be union. its more of the IGM here at AA.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

No one is talking about TAXIING...We are talking about moving aircraft using towbarless high speed tractors. 
I guess you weren't around when MX pushed live trips.

Metal mover
 
I was around when all moves were done by MX, maybe not here at AA. Even power backs.  But just over the yrs FSC got the pushbacks. And for a while they did accomplish MX moves. We have them now and should fight if the company tries to give them to FSC.
 
whether it be with the goldhoffers or with tractors and towbars all MX moves should be done by us.

 

[MetalMover]

Metal mover
 
I was around when all moves were done by MX, maybe not here at AA. Even power backs.  But just over the yrs FSC got the pushbacks. And for a while they did accomplish MX moves. We have them now and should fight if the company tries to give them to FSC.
 
whether it be with the goldhoffers or with tractors and towbars all MX moves should be done by us.

I agree with the SHOULD part....But SHOULD seldom means MUST!
Remember deicing? Remember so many shops once manned by mechanics? The list is pretty long. Whether lost to outsourcing or other AA groups, mechanics have lost the most.
The thing to keep in mind now is that this is the New American...Not the Old American.

 

[700UW]

Ironically everything Utility and the work being given to fleet is what the mechanics have voted over the years to give away.