QC off the b checks

[exs]

Well the TWU is my POS union and I would like to fire them once and for all.
 
Go Amfa!!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
It's called sarcasm. I do support the TWU. Do you think the local 591 officers do? More than half of the officers either support the IBT or AMFA and were voted in because they were the anti-Int'l candidates. They aren't the TWU. The current agreement that protected more jobs than AMFA ever did was put in place in spite of them.
 
The TWU is my union.

 
O/S 
 
Do I think the 591 officer support the TWU? NO, and I really don't care either. I thought they would be different as a group than they were separate, but I think that the coolaid
is just too strong.
 
We are going to see in the next few months just how strong your TWU is as the USAirways mgmt team brought in cuts out even more of our maintenance and the cuts or outsourcing starts. If we get a vote remember this that it started under a TWU contract.
 
The TWU might of kept more work in house longer than the rest of the carriers, but at what cost as you put it. You say amfa cut/lost jobs to save the line guys. Well your TWU cost the line guys thousands of dollars just to keep guys working and the dues coming in. Now that the industry is down sized these very same guys your TWU kept working are older. Really not marketable as they say. There are fewer airline jobs, so you did these guys a big favor right? AA has bought new aircraft and with that is going to down size Tulsa. O/H as we know it is going to be drastically reduced. You won't be able to blame AMFA that is going to be on the TWU. How are you going to spin that with the Tulsa mechanics.
 
You told them we'll get em next time just how many times do you think these guys are going to buy into your TWU's bs. They have cut out the Insp from our "B" checks. If you go back and read our scope language if for any reason the company feels that due to the reasons they list in our 2012 contract, is or can't be done, they can out source the work. As they dismantle our maintenance program the TWU is going to do what? Run off to lobby the AFL-CIO the labor unit you TWU supporters claim is a savior of labor.
 
Just what are they going to do? tell us how the AlMighty TWU is going to STOP the cuts that are coming. OR are you just GOING TO TELL US> They can do that Brother.
 
The TWU has run it's coarse here and it's time for a change. Even if we have to start from scratch. It's time to bring back the pride we had in our class and craft that was a big part of the airlines 30 yrs ago.
 
Just what is the TWU in Tulsa doing as the dues paying members there loose the slots they had for yrs? 

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

I guess Local 591 now knows how it feels to have someone make decisions without giving YOU a say. 
 
I just hope they understand how the game is played. If you are in BED with the Company you are going to get F#$KED
 
I guess there is a cost to having the company pay SO much UBP. Be Careful GARY. They might make all of you go back to WORK. It would be nice to see some of you again. I miss you guys. 
 
Damn I almost feel like a NEW AMFA supporter. SMILE.

 

[Rogallo]

 
It's called sarcasm. I do support the TWU. Do you think the local 591 officers do? More than half of the officers either support the IBT or AMFA and were voted in because they were the anti-Int'l candidates. They aren't the TWU. The current agreement that protected more jobs than AMFA ever did was put in place in spite of them.
 
The TWU is my union.

 
You're really a bus driver, aren't you?

 

[AANYER]

Gent's stop betting each other up.  Look below to see what the FLASH Boys received in Plunder and pillage;
 
In the disclosure of executive compensation, Horton leads the list, with $19.3 million in total compensation. Parker, US Airways chairman and CEO who took over as AAG CEO on Dec. 9, had a 2013 package of money, stock and other compensation valued at $17.7 million.
 
EXECUTIVE SALARY TOTAL COMPENSATION POSITION
 
                                 Salary          Bonus
 
Thomas W. Horton    $591,911   $19,343,121 Chairman
 
W. Douglas Parker    $42,308     $17,661,130 CEO
 
J. Scott Kirby            $42,868     $13,283,563 President
 
James B. Ream         $581,196  $10,099,368 Ex-AA SVP maintenance
 
Daniel P. Garton         $541,087  $10,062,287 Ex-AA EVP, head of American Eagle
 
Robert D. Isom Jr.      $37,826    $9,590,929 EVP-operations
 
Isabella D. Goren        $551,193 $9,493,372 Ex-CFO
 
Stephen L. Johnson   $35,724    $8,384,009 EVP-corporate affairs
 
Derek J. Kerr              $33,622    $8,279,828 CFO
 
 
The TWU has screwed us enough. How bad could things had been?
 
AMFA Now More Than Ever

 

[Flying low]

Gent's stop betting each other up.  Look below to see what the FLASH Boys received in Plunder and pillage;
 
In the disclosure of executive compensation, Horton leads the list, with $19.3 million in total compensation. Parker, US Airways chairman and CEO who took over as AAG CEO on Dec. 9, had a 2013 package of money, stock and other compensation valued at $17.7 million.
 
EXECUTIVE SALARY TOTAL COMPENSATION POSITION
 
                                 Salary          Bonus
 
Thomas W. Horton    $591,911   $19,343,121 Chairman
 
W. Douglas Parker    $42,308     $17,661,130 CEO
 
J. Scott Kirby            $42,868     $13,283,563 President
 
James B. Ream         $581,196  $10,099,368 Ex-AA SVP maintenance
 
Daniel P. Garton         $541,087  $10,062,287 Ex-AA EVP, head of American Eagle
 
Robert D. Isom Jr.      $37,826    $9,590,929 EVP-operations
 
Isabella D. Goren        $551,193 $9,493,372 Ex-CFO
 
Stephen L. Johnson   $35,724    $8,384,009 EVP-corporate affairs
 
Derek J. Kerr              $33,622    $8,279,828 CFO
 
 
The TWU has screwed us enough. How bad could things had been?
 
AMFA Now More Than Ever

And how does that relate to QC coming off the B checks?

 

[DallasConehead]

He's posting it on every topic, who knows why, old news. Sick of hearing about it.

 

[MetalMover]

He's posting it on every topic, who knows why, old news. Sick of hearing about it.

Same here. It is just the beginning. There undoubtedly will be more changes ahead that we are are not accustomed to.

 

[Just Another BK]

I haven't been on here for awhile but I'll try to give you my two cents worth on US QA. I have worked a 737 "B" Check and those were done on an overnight RON by Mechanics, not sure about the bigger aircraft or baby Bus. Sorry can't add more. But I'm sure  there are dedicated crews working "B" Checks throughout US Line Stations from RON's to Multi shift operations as well if required. The QA program is detailed in the MPPM. There are different Inspection Levels from General Visual, Zonal, DVI's, Special Detailed Visuals etc. Mechanics can do General Visuals, DQC's (Designated Quality Control) can accomplish Initial Inspections up to DVI's. Full Time Inspectors Do RII's, NDT, Borscopes and any type of Initial Inspections. I think the issue is the MPPM in how the two airlines have the QC program written and what changes will come from a merged airline. The days of an electrician called to remove the IDG harness so a mechanic can R&R the IDG are long gone. Why does it take an inspector to write a card on a seat when the mechanic can find and fix it himself ? 

 

[exs]

I haven't been on here for awhile but I'll try to give you my two cents worth on US QA. I have worked a 737 "B" Check and those were done on an overnight RON by Mechanics, not sure about the bigger aircraft or baby Bus. Sorry can't add more. But I'm sure  there are dedicated crews working "B" Checks throughout US Line Stations from RON's to Multi shift operations as well if required. The QA program is detailed in the MPPM. There are different Inspection Levels from General Visual, Zonal, DVI's, Special Detailed Visuals etc. Mechanics can do General Visuals, DQC's (Designated Quality Control) can accomplish Initial Inspections up to DVI's. Full Time Inspectors Do RII's, NDT, Borscopes and any type of Initial Inspections. I think the issue is the MPPM in how the two airlines have the QC program written and what changes will come from a merged airline. The days of an electrician called to remove the IDG harness so a mechanic can R&R the IDG are long gone. Why does it take an inspector to write a card on a seat when the mechanic can find and fix it himself ? 

First of all QA does not check seats on our Bcks get your facts straight. Second, that's where it all begins. Company says we can do QA work on Bck and then comes an unlicensed mechanic can do an AMT's job. The TWU can't stop this and they signed a blank contract so the company can fill in the blanks. What's messed up is the TWU started this mess when they allowed the company to add SRP's which are now OSM's. IMO its just a matter time that we see OSM's on the line. Its in the contract, remember. Get ready, when this merger becomes a single carrier its going to get real ugly, but that's just my opinion.

 

[1AA]

First of all QA does not check seats on our Bcks get your facts straight. Second, that's where it all begins. Company says we can do QA work on Bck and then comes an unlicensed mechanic can do an AMT's job. The TWU can't stop this and they signed a blank contract so the company can fill in the blanks. What's messed up is the TWU started this mess when they allowed the company to add SRP's which are now OSM's. IMO its just a matter time that we see OSM's on the line. Its in the contract, remember. Get ready, when this merger becomes a single carrier its going to get real ugly, but that's just my opinion.

And a good one at that.

 

[Slopoke]

First of all QA does not check seats on our Bcks get your facts straight. Second, that's where it all begins. Company says we can do QA work on Bck and then comes an unlicensed mechanic can do an AMT's job. The TWU can't stop this and they signed a blank contract so the company can fill in the blanks. What's messed up is the TWU started this mess when they allowed the company to add SRP's which are now OSM's. IMO its just a matter time that we see OSM's on the line. Its in the contract, remember. Get ready, when this merger becomes a single carrier its going to get real ugly, but that's just my opinion.

 
As a former AA inspector on the wide bodies, long ago we did the entire cabin every 7th check. Later it was a full inspection of just one zone. Wide body format was 100% QA buy backs on RII and confirmation items. How it is done now, I do not know. I do know the narrow body format is QA only for borescopes, NDT, structural and detailed inspections and RII item buy backs. Mechanics do all of the other inspections.

 

[AANYER]

Gent's
 
Let's say it together, We are F_ _ _ ed.  Fill in the blanks.  The TWU gave the company a blank check.  They will fill in the numbers are they see fit to cut back maintenance. I only provided the numbers of the executives to give guys who are not aware of what they are receiving.  Some just say so what.  Gents, that our money that they took from us.  What,s the TWUs opinion, just deal with it, it happens all the time.  Problem is, It's happen to the AA maintenance employees all to often.

 

[Overspeed]

I haven't been on here for awhile but I'll try to give you my two cents worth on US QA. I have worked a 737 "B" Check and those were done on an overnight RON by Mechanics, not sure about the bigger aircraft or baby Bus. Sorry can't add more. But I'm sure  there are dedicated crews working "B" Checks throughout US Line Stations from RON's to Multi shift operations as well if required. The QA program is detailed in the MPPM. There are different Inspection Levels from General Visual, Zonal, DVI's, Special Detailed Visuals etc. Mechanics can do General Visuals, DQC's (Designated Quality Control) can accomplish Initial Inspections up to DVI's. Full Time Inspectors Do RII's, NDT, Borscopes and any type of Initial Inspections. I think the issue is the MPPM in how the two airlines have the QC program written and what changes will come from a merged airline. The days of an electrician called to remove the IDG harness so a mechanic can R&R the IDG are long gone. Why does it take an inspector to write a card on a seat when the mechanic can find and fix it himself ? 

 
The maintenance program is driven by the GPM and ESM. The work cards that have been changed were to follow the RII requirements in the GPM. Like you say, the merged MPPM or GPM will determine what is QA and what is not. Last I checked the GPM tray table, arm caps, and DPCUs are not on the RII list.

 

[Overspeed]

First of all QA does not check seats on our Bcks get your facts straight. Second, that's where it all begins. Company says we can do QA work on Bck and then comes an unlicensed mechanic can do an AMT's job. The TWU can't stop this and they signed a blank contract so the company can fill in the blanks. What's messed up is the TWU started this mess when they allowed the company to add SRP's which are now OSM's. IMO its just a matter time that we see OSM's on the line. Its in the contract, remember. Get ready, when this merger becomes a single carrier its going to get real ugly, but that's just my opinion.

 
OSMs are not permitted on the line in the current CBA. Only TUL, AFW, and DWH.