President Trump

[southwind]

Does it really matter how many illegal aliens murder American citizens? If we had zero illegal aliens in the U.S. no american citizens would be murdered by an illegal alien! Know it won't make sense to you though!

 

[Kev3188]

And yet you felt compelled to respond...

 

[Kev3188]

Does it really matter how many illegal aliens murder American citizens? If we had zero illegal aliens in the U.S. no american citizens would be murdered by an illegal alien! Know it won't make sense to you though!

Good luck with that...

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Unless one was planning to have an affair with a gay man, why should this concern heterosexual men or women? I've known gay couples who have been monogamous and whose relationship has lasted longer than my heterosexual marriage. I do not see this as any kind of argument AGAINST gay marriage. If AIDS is going to spread among gay men, it's going to spread whether they are gay or not. Chlamydia is rampant among heterosexual couples....I know - that's the line of work I'm in.

There are more ways to get infected than intimate encounters. Intravenous drug use for instance.

Do you think gay men have not deceived and used women simply to procreate? It happens.

If gays value what American culture defines as marriage (a lifelong monogamous relationship) then why is their infection rate so high? I mean apparently this was such a big deal civil rights issue the libs took it upon themselves after 200 plus years to redefine marriage. Was it really the gays pushing for this or liberals seeking to destroy the concept of a nuclear family?

When you know a behavior is creating a negative situation you don't encourage it by endorsing it.

Logic 101.

You mujst be the exception. Most will claim Mother JOnes or the "Clinton News Network" is highly biased, but did you notice that something called "wikileaks" was God's own truth in the last weeks of the campaign? does the fact it has "wiki" in it somehow legitimize it?

If you don't think media is biased maybe I should send you some quotes made by some of these so called "journalist" at the end of their articles. One I remember very well made some rather nasty comments about Trump. Very unprofessional for a journalist but then again they are not in the business of presenting facts anymore, only a narrative.

Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were not "biased" they were outright lies.

Once you get caught in a lie it ruins your credibility. The news media got caught multiple times.

When people see that they seek information from elsewhere.

Yep...KC used to be a "cow town", but there are no more meat packing plants here...they are in rural Kansas. Less chance of being busted, and most use illegal labor. So are we all for getting rid of them and instead. of paying $7 for a Hormel Cure 81 ham, we pay $10? It seems to me that conservatives kind of want it both ways...they LIKE the lower prices. But here's my solution - don't make it attractive to hire illegal labor. If you are a business...a big one like Hormel or a little one like "Bob's Patio Builders"...if they hire illegals, they get a fine that could threaten their very existence. A fine so high it could put them out of business. If they knew that this was the consequence, odds are they would not hire illegals. If they don't hire illegals - word gets out and illegals don't come here. BUT...when I mention that, it's considered "anti business" or "government intrusion".

We DO have laws that fine and possibly jail employers of illegal immigrants. Obama all but put a stop to that while seeking amnesty for the illegals.

See the link below if you want to research it for yourself.

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-8501.html

Laws that are not enforced are worthless.

The rest of your post went off in 20 different directions....socialism, gun rights, muslims, political correctness. I am sure we can find problems everywhere. I think there are some gun owning Christians that I fear about as much as a muslim.

That's because they are all related. All of those have to do with the left pushing socialism and multiculturalism. If you watched the video you saw the result of that agenda.

I also think that there as many aspects of socialism that are GOOD - a healthy, educated society is a strong society. Conservatives feel that it isn't. I am almost 60 years old. I got a public education. My kid attends a state university. Conservatives have told me how public education sucks....and to prove their point - throw a "tard" in there to show that it DIDN'T work for them.

If the American education system is so great then why are we, the wealthiest nation in the world, being surpassed by third world countries? I have NEVER met a conservative that did not think education was important. For you to claim conservatives don't value education is ridiculous.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

By the way KCFlyer Democrats have attacked the 2nd amendment, They have pushed to extend welfare benefits to illegals (California specifically), and Hillary has made statements she wants to open the border.

SO I ASK AGAIN........

Given how that turned out in Europe what makes you think things will turn out differently here?

Do you (or any other lib) have an answer for that?

 

[EastUS1]

"Liberals"? Mr. Trump won....Regardless of Virginia "magically" permitting thousands of convicted felons to vote, and of course "Kalifornia" allowing anything with a pulse to vote/etc...and we won't even mention all the actually dead falsely "registered" by democrats. No matter.The American people have spoken loud and clear. Leftists swung the pendulum so far it became intolerable, so none need pretend to be surprised at the back swing even without the slightest notions of physics, which none get anyway from "liberal arts"/"women's studies"/"purely pretentious, utter BS"/etc. Be grateful there's yet notions of decency and individual Rights in this land, despite all "liberal" notions to destroy all such, and be happy you're not simply hunted for sport...at least yet, but with enough mindless riots/"protests" and calls for "revolution", well, who knows what the future holds? BTW: Given the dems hatred of guns, are you planning on equipping your "fighters" in said "revolution"with dildos and bongs instead? Might we all properly fear perhaps even a full cavalry squadron mounted on unicorns shooting rainbows? I'd honestly suggest going a bit lightly on all the riots and "revolution" fantasies. There are many more millions of armed Americans that are totally disgusted with half-azzed-communist BS than you might even want to imagine in your worst nightmares, and they've finally woken up. You've only two more months to wallow around in childish obama/Fantasyland before things start to change. You people pulled the pendulum to the farthest left possible and laughed like delirious little children without the slightest care for others that don't share your "liberal" fantasies of all others residing in some "Basket of Deplorables"/etc...so don't be shocked when human "physics" shoves it back. I've never known anyone that much takes kindly to being called "deplorable/"racist"/"ignorant"/etc. It is the "deplorables" that stand between you and America's enemies, (unless of course there's some "politically correct/snowflake/trans gender/whatever Division that's been kept as some top secret "weapon"?), and said "deplorables" are totally sick of your BS. No matter, I suppose now, but "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." Watch for the pendulum to swing back into your faces, not an ideal thing for anyone, but this has always been the way of things throughout human history.

Indulge childish arrogance and continually insult many millions of people for over 8 years, and in one form or another; they'll eventually come for your heads. This has always been the sad case with our species, and it's sad "liberals" have no apparent education sufficient to even begin to understand that.

Personally? I don't care how anyone chooses to find the miracle of love with their life, although I'd prefer it kept within our own species at least, and without children involved, nor do I have any notions of telling ANYONE else how to live their lives/what medical coverage to buy/etc....but you incredibly stupid, mindlessly government-loving and power-crazed/control freak/liberal azzholes just couldn't leave the rest of us alone to live our own lives, could you? No, you idiots can't go a day without wanting to shove some new agenda down everyone's throats, and people are fully light years past tired of your mindlessly arrogant BS.

 

[KCFlyer]

There are more ways to get infected than intimate encounters. Intravenous drug use for instance.

Do you think gay men have not deceived and used women simply to procreate? It happens.

If gays value what American culture defines as marriage (a lifelong monogamous relationship) then why is their infection rate so high? I mean apparently this was such a big deal civil rights issue the libs took it upon themselves after 200 plus years to redefine marriage. Was it really the gays pushing for this or liberals seeking to destroy the concept of a nuclear family?

When you know a behavior is creating a negative situation you don't encourage it by endorsing it.

Logic 101.If you don't think media is biased maybe I should send you some quotes made by some of these so called "journalist" at the end of their articles. One I remember very well made some rather nasty comments about Trump. Very unprofessional for a journalist but then again they are not in the business of presenting facts anymore, only a narrative.

Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were not "biased" they were outright lies.

Once you get caught in a lie it ruins your credibility. The news media got caught multiple times.

When people see that they seek information from elsewhere.We DO have laws that fine and possibly jail employers of illegal immigrants. Obama all but put a stop to that while seeking amnesty for the illegals.

See the link below if you want to research it for yourself.

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-8501.html

Laws that are not enforced are worthless.That's because they are all related. All of those have to do with the left pushing socialism and multiculturalism. If you watched the video you saw the result of that agenda.If the American education system is so great then why are we, the wealthiest nation in the world, being surpassed by third world countries? I have NEVER met a conservative that did not think education was important. For you to claim conservatives don't value education is ridiculous.

OKay....no, I don't know many gays who procreated with women in order to have a child. Those that did might have done so because the right did not feel that a homosexual couple was fit to adopt an unwanted child from a heterosexual encounter, so they put up road block after road block. If the laws are going to be enacted to "prevent your lifestyle", then they don't have much option but to 'deceive and use women". Possibly exposing them to a disease.

Where did I ever say that media was NOT biased? The point I am trying to make is that we have the "liberal media", which is twisting to facts and highly biased and is not to be believed, then we have Fox News which does the exact same thing for the conservative view, yet one is considered "fair and balanced" because they say "we report, you decided". But if you step back - CNN and rest of the "liberal media" could say the same thing...we report, you decide'..Both CNN and Fox have a bias, but the right has trouble with that. Then there are sites like Brietbart and Infowars which have completely made up stories based on innuendo or lies - yet they are taken as "fact" over Mother Jones - which actually DOES investigate and report both sides.

Your bias is showing on Trayvon Martin. This was a 17 year old being confronted by a man who should have known better and in fact was asked by a dispatcher not to follow. Do you know many 17 year olds? I know some - they aren't exactly "Eddie Haskell" types..."gee Mrs Cleaver, you are looking nice today". He was behaving like a 17 year old with an attitude. And you base YOUR decisions based on what George Zimmerman said....he kind of painted himself as approaching Trayvon Martin in a very polite and friendly manner, then this animal attacked him and he had no choice but to shoot. And in looking back, at how Zimmerman treated people he supposedly loved and cared about, I kind of think he might have had a little "attitude" of his own. One was 17 and a punk kid....the other one was a grown man who should have known better. You seem to be blinded by that. Forget about MIchael Brown - I'd prefer that you defend the treatment of Eric Garner....a man who was killed selling loose cigarettes. An unarmed man selling loose cigarettes. 5 cops put him in a choke hold, killing him. The response from the conservatives? If he had only done what the cop asked, this would never have happened. REmember that if liberals gain control and want to abolish the second amendment (none have wanted to abolish it BTW). If you just do what they say....no problems will occur.

Then there is this typical quote from southwind:

Does it really matter how many illegal aliens murder American citizens? If we had zero illegal aliens in the U.S. no american citizens would be murdered by an illegal alien! Know it won't make sense to you though!

And that is a perfectly accurate, 100% true statement. Here's another perfectly accurate 100% true statement - if we banned all guns, no American citizens would be murdered by a person with a gun. That statement makes about as much sense as southwinds statement, but I sure it won't make sense to them.

But back to illegals - The fines for hiring illegals are not stiff enough not because of Obama but because big money donors (to both parties) such as Swift and Tyson wanting to keep it more attractive to hire illegals. You should go to central Kansas and tour a meatpacking facility - but you'd better bone up on your Spanish.

And true...conservatives have never disliked education...they dislike PUBLIC education. And what cracks me up is that about 98% of them went thru PUBLIC schools and universities. They are against "teachers unions"....that's the bogeyman they needed. I know a couple of teachers who gave it up because conservatives pushed issues like "no child left behind", but they don't want to pay teachers who belong to those damn unions, so they want proof that "our children is learning" So they do more paperwork and administrative work that has been required by CONSERVATIVES that teachers ended up teaching to the tests and not teaching. My friends had enough. God forbid a high school kid actually be taught to THINK and read and conclude that maybe there ARE some good features about socialism. We are educating test takers. But it's the unions you all don't like - so there is talk of "vouchers". If those vouchers are your tax dollars - how will you 'prove' that they are being used wisely? Continue teaching to tests? The public education system that I (and most likely you) came from allowed younger students do so "research papers". In that "reasearch" a student might have questioned. A student might have formed a liberal view...against what their daddy believed. And that was wrong. There is no comment about a student who read, reported and believed what they read in "Atlas Shrugged". But in the "old" public school system, they could have - hell, the "old" system produced about equal amounts of liberals and conservatives. Now we have silliness of a certain group (conservatives) that want OUR tax money spend teaching creationism over evolution...we want OUR tax money teaching "abstinence only" sex education. And those damn liberals and their sex education....THEY are responsible for the rise in teenage pregnancy and abortion because they are making it seem like it's okay to have sex. Sex education should be left up to the parents. YOu know...like it was for OUR generation. Don't know about you - but my education was from pilfered copies of Playboy. But we were all virginal, pure youths who didn't have sex until we were married....right?

Finally - it seems conservatives only understand "all" or "nothing". Take guns. I've been accused of wanting to ban guns - but I would challenge anyone to find a post where I said "ban guns". I do not see where the average citizen needs an assault weapon, so I think THOSE might need to be restricted to he military. And I don't oppose someone with concealed carry...but I think that I have the RIGHT to know that the person who is legally carrying next to me has been thru training on how to safely use a handgun - especially in a "public" situation. Kansas (and now MIssouri) allow anyone to buy and carry any kind of weapon they want without one single training session on how to use it. But when I say I think training should be required to carry in public, I apparently want to ban guns.

So it cuts both ways. You've said a lot of things I disagree with, but I didn't use a "tard" in response...and to your credit you didn't in this post I am replying to. But there are an awful lot who get tired or reading words and just toss out a "tard" because they are incapable of trying to discuss any issue.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Good luck with that...

Southwind is now on USAJOBS site looking for an application for deportation force trooper...hoping to be that flag carrying fat guy running after 'messicans' with a shotgun.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

OKay....no, I don't know many gays who procreated with women in order to have a child. Those that did might have done so because the right did not feel that a homosexual couple was fit to adopt an unwanted child from a heterosexual encounter, so they put up road block after road block. If the laws are going to be enacted to "prevent your lifestyle", then they don't have much option but to 'deceive and use women". Possibly exposing them to a disease.

That is just about the answer I would expect from a liberal.

You are justifying his deceit and abuse of another person because he was given....... no choice.

Tomorrow you will be on here complaining about abuse of and championing "equality" for women. I mean you know, as long as the target is some rich white guy.

What is it with you liberals and your sick obsession to have personal action without consequence?

With libs "equality" really is not about the action at all, it is about who is doing to whom.

Where did I ever say that media was NOT biased? The point I am trying to make is that we have the "liberal media", which is twisting to facts and highly biased and is not to be believed, then we have Fox News which does the exact same thing for the conservative view, yet one is considered "fair and balanced" because they say "we report, you decided". But if you step back - CNN and rest of the "liberal media" could say the same thing...we report, you decide'..Both CNN and Fox have a bias, but the right has trouble with that. Then there are sites like Brietbart and Infowars which have completely made up stories based on innuendo or lies - yet they are taken as "fact" over Mother Jones - which actually DOES investigate and report both sides.

I will investigate Mother Jones. I can honestly tell you I have never heard of it.

Your bias is showing on Trayvon Martin. This was a 17 year old being confronted by a man who should have known better and in fact was asked by a dispatcher not to follow. Do you know many 17 year olds? I know some - they aren't exactly "Eddie Haskell" types..."gee Mrs Cleaver, you are looking nice today". He was behaving like a 17 year old with an attitude. And you base YOUR decisions based on what George Zimmerman said....he kind of painted himself as approaching Trayvon Martin in a very polite and friendly manner, then this animal attacked him and he had no choice but to shoot. And in looking back, at how Zimmerman treated people he supposedly loved and cared about, I kind of think he might have had a little "attitude" of his own. One was 17 and a punk kid....the other one was a grown man who should have known better. You seem to be blinded by that. Forget about MIchael Brown - I'd prefer that you defend the treatment of Eric Garner....a man who was killed selling loose cigarettes. An unarmed man selling loose cigarettes. 5 cops put him in a choke hold, killing him. The response from the conservatives? If he had only done what the cop asked, this would never have happened. REmember that if liberals gain control and want to abolish the second amendment (none have wanted to abolish it BTW). If you just do what they say....no problems will occur.

Oh give me a break.

Remember president Obama saying "If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon Martin."

Trayvon was a meal ticket for leftist race baiters pushing an agenda. If he had been some 17 year old kid killed in Chicago by a drive by nobody would even know his name. Using the death of a young black man to push an agenda.... that is real racism. Leftist racism.

Again, it is about who is doing to whom.

Next you will have the government acting as the thought police..... oh wait.... they already do. HATE CRIME.

I am glad you brought up Eric Garner. Socialist leftists looking for a "vice tax" are who killed Eric Garner. Somehow they felt justified for punishing citizens for selling their own personal property because they were not getting their cut. The police were simply enforcing the law and reacted when he resisted arrest.

It is not public schools that Conservatives have a problem with. It is teachers who are not performing or worse have committed heinous behavior being protected by a UNION.

Much like some of the worthless employees at American Airlines who, let's face it, only keep their job because they are UNION employees. In the real world they would have been fired long ago.

I am not going to say socialism is bad. I will say what I have seen others on here say. It creates a problem when it swings too far in one direction. Any direction. Even the right.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

OKay....no, I don't know many gays who procreated with women in order to have a child.

So you do know some?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Southwind is now on USAJOBS site looking for an application for deportation force trooper...hoping to be that flag carrying fat guy running after 'messicans' with a shotgun.

Glenn feel free to join Kev and Dog at the kiddie table.

 

[signals]

YOu know my real problem with conservatives? It's their "I've got mine" attitude. You know why I want single payor health care? Because years ago I was coming home from the grocery store and passed a house that was holding a BAKE SALE to try and raise money for their dad's cancer treatments. You have to sell a helluva lot of brownies to get even one chemo treatment. When I posted this on another board, the immediate response was the "personal responsibility" argument...did he NEED that fancy car and big boat and fancy house". I guess he didn't. His car was a 6 year old Honda Accord...he didn't have a big boat....and his house was in MY neighborhood - which wasn't flashy.

He lost his job at Sprint because of layoffs to improve "shareholder value" (which conservatives seem to value more than life itself). He was faced with paying COBRA or feeding his family. He fed his family. Then he got cancer before he got another job. So help me here....what is the conservative solution to this problem? I hate Obamacare....I think it should be single payor. Tell me what would have been better. Oh yeah....for the record - he passed away.

Wow and it's still the conservative's fault, so cry me a river. Why is it that shareholders are always a conservative thing? You know that many libtard charities invest in the stock market and lose money, but the idiotic assumption that only conservatives are for the rich is just stupid because the Clinton are some of the richest tards on the planet. That's why no matter how you spin it, you throw stones while living in a glass house.

This is why regardless what your cheerleading buddies say, you are a one sided individual that looks at the facts only when they go against this conservative ghost agenda, conservaphobe! To say conservatives do this and not find it in the libtard realm means your a lemming, a drone, a follower, and can't think for yourself.

To answer your other question above, since you were born here, and probably accused immigrants of stealing jobs at some point, when did you care sooo much about illegal immigrants? I had to go through proper visa proceedures and become a permanent resident to become a legal immigrant. I was accused by your daddy of stealing jobs, even though to this day I clean toilets(Yeah, tell me how I'm living the American dream even though I manage to survive beyond my paycheck).

So I went through legal means, became a US naturalized citizen, and an illegal has more rights than me???

Hey KC create your own drama at home, because all you do is blame conservatives and think your party can do no wrong. Forget that national security was compromised by Hillary so many times on so many levels during her SoS. I'll bet your blinders didn't see her on national TV during the debates give our nuclear response time to the world.

So welcome to the silent majority that are fed up with estrogen charged sheep that create drama and are without sin.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Wow and it's still the conservative's fault, so cry me a river. Why is it that shareholders are always a conservative thing? You know that many libtard charities invest in the stock market and lose money, but the idiotic assumption that only conservatives are for the rich is just stupid because the Clinton are some of the richest tards on the planet. That's why no matter how you spin it, you throw stones while living in a glass house.

This is why regardless what your cheerleading buddies say, you are a one sided individual that looks at the facts only when they go against this conservative ghost agenda, conservaphobe! To say conservatives do this and not find it in the libtard realm means your a lemming, a drone, a follower, and can't think for yourself.

To answer your other question above, since you were born here, and probably accused immigrants of stealing jobs at some point, when did you care sooo much about illegal immigrants? I had to go through proper visa proceedures and become a permanent resident to become a legal immigrant. I was accused by your daddy of stealing jobs, even though to this day I clean toilets(Yeah, tell me how I'm living the American dream even though I manage to survive beyond my paycheck).

So I went through legal means, became a US naturalized citizen, and an illegal has more rights than me???

Hey KC create your own drama at home, because all you do is blame conservatives and think your party can do no wrong. Forget that national security was compromised by Hillary so many times on so many levels during her SoS. I'll bet your blinders didn't see her on national TV during the debates give our nuclear response time to the world.

So welcome to the silent majority that are fed up with estrogen charged sheep that create drama and are without sin.

You mad?

 

[Kev3188]

"Liberals"? Mr. Trump won....Regardless of Virginia "magically" permitting thousands of convicted felons to vote, and of course "Kalifornia" allowing anything with a pulse to vote/etc...and we won't even mention all the actually dead falsely "registered" by democrats. No matter.The American people have spoken loud and clear. Leftists swung the pendulum so far it became intolerable, so none need pretend to be surprised at the back swing even without the slightest notions of physics, which none get anyway from "liberal arts"/"women's studies"/"purely pretentious, utter BS"/etc. Be grateful there's yet notions of decency and individual Rights in this land, despite all "liberal" notions to destroy all such, and be happy you're not simply hunted for sport...at least yet, but with enough mindless riots/"protests" and calls for "revolution", well, who knows what the future holds? BTW: Given the dems hatred of guns, are you planning on equipping your "fighters" in said "revolution"with dildos and bongs instead? Might we all properly fear perhaps even a full cavalry squadron mounted on unicorns shooting rainbows? I'd honestly suggest going a bit lightly on all the riots and "revolution" fantasies. There are many more millions of armed Americans that are totally disgusted with half-azzed-communist BS than you might even want to imagine in your worst nightmares, and they've finally woken up. You've only two more months to wallow around in childish obama/Fantasyland before things start to change. You people pulled the pendulum to the farthest left possible and laughed like delirious little children without the slightest care for others that don't share your "liberal" fantasies of all others residing in some "Basket of Deplorables"/etc...so don't be shocked when human "physics" shoves it back. I've never known anyone that much takes kindly to being called "deplorable/"racist"/"ignorant"/etc. It is the "deplorables" that stand between you and America's enemies, (unless of course there's some "politically correct/snowflake/trans gender/whatever Division that's been kept as some top secret "weapon"?), and said "deplorables" are totally sick of your BS. No matter, I suppose now, but "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." Watch for the pendulum to swing back into your faces, not an ideal thing for anyone, but this has always been the way of things throughout human history.

Indulge childish arrogance and continually insult many millions of people for over 8 years, and in one form or another; they'll eventually come for your heads. This has always been the sad case with our species, and it's sad "liberals" have no apparent education sufficient to even begin to understand that.

Personally? I don't care how anyone chooses to find the miracle of love with their life, although I'd prefer it kept within our own species at least, and without children involved, nor do I have any notions of telling ANYONE else how to live their lives/what medical coverage to buy/etc....but you incredibly stupid, mindlessly government-loving and power-crazed/control freak/liberal azzholes just couldn't leave the rest of us alone to live our own lives, could you? No, you idiots can't go a day without wanting to shove some new agenda down everyone's throats, and people are fully light years past tired of your mindlessly arrogant BS.

You should challenge those punks to a dogfight.

Southwind is now on USAJOBS site looking for an application for deportation force trooper...hoping to be that flag carrying fat guy running after 'messicans' with a shotgun.

No doubt.

 

[Kev3188]

Do you think gay men have not deceived and used women simply to procreate? It happens.

It does? Is this how you started your family?