Pittsburgh Crew Base Closure

[ClueByFour]

Threatening something that is out of your hands( as well as the hands of anyone else on this board) is an empty threat.

I personally know maybe a dozen lineholding pilots in PIT and a slew of FAs (lineholding and reserve). If they close PIT, these people faced with commuting are going to use their seniority to "maximize their earnings." To a man and woman, they make this known.

I think the youngest date of hire in question is in the early 80s. What do you think is going to happen if they close the base? Unless every single one of those pilots and FAs quits (unlikely for the pilots), they are going to go somewhere. With lots of seniority.

 

[EMBFA]

Big f-in deal!

HP has what 2000 something F/As, some above us some below. It's the way the airlines work. The flying itself is not going anywhere. A couple hundred F/As just transfered from PHL to CLT. These would take thier place. It's just not that big of a deal- 2000 from PIT have already been displaced somewhere, the last 300 is not going to ruin anyone's life.

 

[LCC_#1]

I think it's the "Awe, the humanity" mentality that in the past has been portrayed here and the lack of sympathy in the past of those that went thru what PIT is going thru now. Pardon many of us that don't hate PIT, but are enjoying a bit of what comes around goes around euphoria. I don't think EMFBA or anyone HATES the people of the PIT base...just that the believed sacred untouchable is no more.

I personally have enjoyed those 'burghers that I have flown with in CLT. I still think if possible, CLT would be a good match.

 

[ClueByFour]

Snore.... the base is closing, the hub is not coming back. Apparently now people are dieing as well. Sorry.

Let's all have a moment of silence.

I am constantly amazed at the level of discourse that people elevate to in lieu of actually being able to defend their own postulations.

C'mon, you have to have something better than that. Or were PHL educated, one of the two.....

 

[Travelpro72]

I have to admit, and this is coming from a PIT native that has moved, that most there NEVER in their wildest dream thought it could happen to them. While I don't advocate closing a base to screw with peoples lives the reality is this is where we are. We know it's going to happen. When I got displaced in June of 2003 I knew that many before me had it happen in PIT and around the system. It sucked! It sucked even more when I got my Welcome to PHL packet in the mail. My flying partners out on the line could do nothing to stop it from happening but I'll tell ya that MOST, not all but MOST couldn't have cared less. When the base in BWI closed it was ho hum oh well. I again wish this wasn't happening to PIT but the fact remains that IT IS. Start packing up and getting ready to make your choice of what base your going to. When I got displaced we got $0.00 in any moving expenses since they were offering VFLR. If the company is in a VF or VFLR state you get NOTHING to help you move since every VF or VFLR was "protecting your job at the company". Go figure. We even had to fight for our moving days. Mine overlapped my reserve line I was awarded. They didn't want to move them OFF of my off days. So ya see, this is the world we have all lived in for the most part. You just won't have much sympathy. I feel sorry but most showed me no sympathy. Flame away but that's the truth. I got...."wow that sounds dreadful" or "well it happens but you'll be ok".

 

[FlightChic]

If they are going to close PIT, they should just do it and get it over with. I really do feel bad for the f/as and pilots there, but at least they can just get on with their lives instead of wondering if they will ever get back in or not.

OTOH, A problem I keep hearing on trips is how pilots and flight attendants keep getting shifted around from base to base and nobody really knows where to settle down because in a few years their base will be closing, they will be displaced, they will be furloughed, or whatever else the case may be.

A couple hundred F/As just transfered from PHL to CLT.

They only had 125 openings for Nov. and the people who transferred to CLT weren't all from PHL. Had there been 200 transfers, the rest of us "junior" f/a's would have gotten in.

 

[SKY HIGH]

I am constantly amazed at the level of discourse that people elevate to in lieu of actually being able to defend their own postulations.

C'mon, you have to have something better than that. Or were PHL educated, one of the two.....

sky high states: These are the same people who want their COLLEAGUES to show them some COMPASSION about "Reserve issues".


only stating opinions

 

[Travels2mch]

This is typical of what he's talking about. The population decline in PIT is red herring on your part--it does not begin to address the ignorant nature of almost every comment you make regarding any thread involving Pittsburgh in one form or another.

I still say this chick must have gotten hit by a tug in PIT to have such a bug up her a$$ about the place. Watch this.....I love Republic!! Stand back....she's going to spontaneously combust!!

I also make way more than any LCC FA, not sure about the pilots though. I consider myself a lucky yinzer getting to live in a great place with a decent cost of living.

 

[Twicebaked]

The houses probably aren't selling too good these days.

The market is fine in Pittsburgh.

Just because US Airways has pulled out and contunies to do so.....the city is not suffering as a result.

Pittsburgh HAS recovered from US Airways a long time ago.

 

[Twicebaked]

Actually there are about 350 active F/As still in PIT which would mean that if they all come to PHL, there will probably be the domino effect knocking JR people to who knows where....(LGA,BOS,DCA) ....perhaps even back to being furloughed ?

Um NO!!!!

The planes aren't going anywhere and the flying time HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE!!!!!!!!

NO ONE is going to get furloughed and believe it or not, NOT everyone wants to come to Philly.

 

[songbirdstew]

Oh wow, THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY! That's like, a whole charter 747! Ring the alarm! YOU'RE going to FURLOUGH us? If you had that much control you'd be flying space shuttles to Mars from the pretty terminal in Moon Township. Guess they don't take much of your feedback! There are more than 350 people below me even pre-merger, but get over yourself for thinking you are that important. There's that entitlement and inflated idea of self-worth again.

Eye in the sky- yes, I believe I do bring something to this regional airline (it's called US Airways by the way).

It was you sister that said that there are only a hundred of us, so I responded w/ more of a correct number. Why are all of your posts always so hostile ??

And no, I don't think PIT F/As are all that self important to think that we will cause a furlough-- but after the 757 time moves to CLT, PHL WILL be overstaffed. Some one was already on here upset about going back on RSV w/ two kids to feed and not meeting guarantee. In addition, there are the A/C we are getting rid of like some 737 and the 757s going to FedEx...I'm no expert but I think we are getting rid of A/C faster than they are being delivered which means a reduction in lines/block positions--duh

If all the PIT people go to PHL then all of us a sudden PHL has an enormous RSV factor...I guess the company can let a ton of RSVs sit around and not fly and collect 73hr guarantee, they've been doing it in PIT for years but remember it's all about the profit....if they say they don't need all those in PHL, where will they go ?

I'm not saying that it WILL happen and trying to be...what was I called, "a fear monger"...I'm just saying that this management has shown it will do anything w/ disregard to it's employees. What's to stop them from putting those who are excess in their minds back on the street ?

 

[songbirdstew]

Big f-in deal!

HP has what 2000 something F/As, some above us some below. It's the way the airlines work. The flying itself is not going anywhere. A couple hundred F/As just transfered from PHL to CLT. These would take thier place. It's just not that big of a deal- 2000 from PIT have already been displaced somewhere, the last 300 is not going to ruin anyone's life.

The 133 who transferred in to CLT either have wanted to go there or followed the time because they wanted to remain B/H or even be on RSV somewhere w/ a lower cost to do so. The 2000 from PIT who were already displaced followed the huge amount of time PIT used to have....there's not that much time to follow now and PIT has been overstaffed (33% RSV factor now, 42% before June 1st displacements) for the last few years which will mean if it's closed and everyone commutes there will be overstaffing in other bases...do the math. Turnover is not that great that w/ the base closing there MIGHT not just be too many people on board.

Also as far as PIT people goint to CLT, the fact that R/T is held there and so many still live in PIT makes commuting a nightmare to that base. There are too many people going to/from CLT POS Space so I've heard it's very difficult.

Most will go to PHL even w/ all of US RJs running due to reciprical J/S w/ WN.

Just my opinion

 

[missthe727]

It was you sister that said that there are only a hundred of us, so I responded w/ more of a correct number. Why are all of your posts always so hostile ??

I couldn't agree w/ you more....EMBFA while I enjoy your posts and a lot of times you are dead-on, there is an underlying hostility every time you talk about PIT....it's very disturbing.

In addition, there are the A/C we are getting rid of like some 737 and the 757s going to FedEx...I'm no expert but I think we are getting rid of A/C faster than they are being delivered which means a reduction in lines/block positions--duh

My pilots were just talking about us losing A/C...any one have any numbers ???

 

[Whatnow?]

For god's sake....this is like beating a dead horse into the ground....just close it and let everybody move on already! It really isn't that bad outside PIT....life goes on and will continue to go on! Almost everybody in this company has been based in PIT at one point or another.....I was there for almost 12 years, but knew that I had to leave on my own to better position myself in this company. WE ALL signed up to work for an Airline with the possibility of having to relocate and travel.....didn't we? I think the PIT crews have been EXTREMELY fortunate to have had the oppurtunity to be from/based in their hometown for all these years, most of the rest of us relocated years ago or still continue to commute after all this time from Day 1. It's business decision not a vendetta on Pittsburgh.....time to consolidate and fine tune the route structure. Yes, everybody out there does feel for the PIT people having now to relocate or commute and everybody will welcome them into their new bases.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I think the youngest date of hire in question is in the early 80s. What do you think is going to happen if they close the base? Unless every single one of those pilots and FAs quits (unlikely for the pilots), they are going to go somewhere. With lots of seniority.

Snore,snore. Remember SAN?

So what? What are they going to do about and what are we going to do about it?

We will have to listen to a lot of commuting woes-I guess that is the true penalty that we will all have to pay.

(And by the way-who cares how much you make?)