PilotAction US Airways & American Airlines Trial & Other News Update

[Beancounter]

 
If you want to debate pilot seniority join us in the pilot forums. I'm not taking the bait.
 
Did Westies make this up?
 
 
Slots

• Sell the 8 Washington Reagan slot pairs that JetBlue currently leases from American to JetBlue at a price approved by the DOJ
• Divest an additional 37 slot pairs at Washington Reagan to the federal government for the DOT and/or DOJ to redistribute as they see fit.
• Divest 10 slot pairs at New York LaGuardia to the federal government for the DOT and/or DOJ to redistribute as they see fit
• Sell to Virgin America the 15 slots (7.5 slot pairs) that Virgin America currently leases from American at a price approved by the DOJ

Gates
The following gates would be available for use by competing airlines under a common-use scheme. The merged carrier would be allowed to continue using these gates when not requested by other airlines.

• Relinquish access to Americans gates on Terminal Bs Pier 2 at Washington Reagan along with the slot divestiture
• Relinquish access to US Airways five gates at Terminal 2 of Chicago OHare and make available five gates at Terminal 3, Concourse G
• Relinquish access to Terminal A-East at Philadelphia
• Give up Americans gates at Concourse A at Charlotte, and make available 5 gates on Concourse B
• Relinquish access to gates at Terminal 3 at Los Angeles, and give up the rights to 2 of the 4 new gates granted to American at the new Tom Bradley International Terminal

 
^^^^^^^Where does it say anything about Phoenix? ^^^^^^^^
 

 
Exactly! 
 
In regards to the sell off the west fantasy.  My six year old does that, making up stuff when he doesn't get his way.  He has an excuse though.  He's only six years old!
 
Bean

 

[westcoastflyer]

Is all this "information" about divestitures just some made-up crap, or is there a link to offer some credibility?

 

[Fully Cross Utilized]

Is all this "information" about divestitures just some made-up crap, or is there a link to offer some credibility?

Made up crap.

 

[im back..!!]

Exactly! 
 
In regards to the sell off the west fantasy.  My six year old does that, making up stuff when he doesn't get his way.  He has an excuse though.  He's only six years old!
 
Bean

So, was that your excuse. Since your only had six years seniority?

Kinda the same thing, isnt it?

 

[Beancounter]

So, was that your excuse. Since your only had six years seniority?

Kinda the same thing, isnt it?

 
You mean for you?  Remember we couldn't agree, so we had mom and dad come over to settle it.  Who was the one that threw the temper tantrum and went storming out of the room, when they didn't get what they wanted?...........  Yeah, I thought so.
 
Bean

 

[snapthis]

Is all this "information" about divestitures just some made-up crap, or is there a link to offer some credibility?

Google made-up-crap and see what you come up with.

Exactly! 
 
In regards to the sell off the west fantasy.  My six year old does that, making up stuff when he doesn't get his way.  He has an excuse though.  He's only six years old!
 
Bean

In regards to made up-crap the West sell-off

Made up crap.

I Googled made-up-crap for you and West Coast...,

http://www.aspireaviation.com/2013/11/08/american-us-airways-merger-potential-settlement/

 

[Fully Cross Utilized]

Google made-up-crap and see what you come up with.


In regards to made up-crap the West sell-off
I Googled made-up-crap for you and West Coast...,

http://www.aspireaviation.com/2013/11/08/american-us-airways-merger-potential-settlement/

For some reason I thought he was asking about the "sell off" of the west operation and that's what I was saying is made up crap.

 

[snapthis]

For some reason I thought he was asking about the "sell off" of the west operation and that's what I was saying is made up crap.

Agreed, a West sell-off is made-up crap.

 

[FWAAA]

The Aspire Aviation "what if" settlement proposal is fairly well written and supported by facts.   I agreed with most of it except for the LAX gate situation.   Assuming the merger occurs,  new AA won't be very much larger at LAX than UA.   DL, AS and UA have the use of terminals 5-8 and nobody gave up any gates at LAX as a condition of their mergers.   LAX is actually one bright spot in that it is so competitive and no single airline dominates (or will ever be able to dominate) the domestic traffic there.
 
To suggest that new AA give up whatever gates US gets in T-3 plus two of the four new TBIT gates is a little over the top.   UA and DL have enough gates to park their mainline and regional ops at Terminals 5-8 while AA is stuck with UA's old regional dump on the far east side since the Eagle terminal has to be torn down for TBIT expansion.   For the government to demand that new AA give up LAX gates which would hamper AA's ability to grow its TPAC network from LAX would be unreasonable.   
 
The other nit-pick I had with their analysis was any suggestion that new AA give up LGA slots.    New AA would have about 31% of the slots, compared to DL at about half.    When the slot swap was proposed,  DL was the largest airline in the world and the government demanded some slot concessions that limited DL to about half the LGA slots.     If the government allows this merger, it would be unreasonable to demand that new AA shrink even further at LGA below the 31%.   

 

[robbedagain]

agree fwaa  even w 31% slots in a merged aa/us   dl would still have what about 70% or more from the slot swap deal  

 

[USA320Pilot]

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[SIZE=12pt]PilotAction Merger News for US Airways & American Airlines: November 8, 2013[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=10pt]3 idle thoughts for Friday[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]See Story: [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/3-idle-thoughts-for-friday-295.html/[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=10pt]Southwest Airlines wants to tell judge why American Airlines and US Airways should give up slots in Washington and New York[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=10pt]Southwest Airlines pushes case to expand at crowded Washington and New York airports[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=10pt]How the Virginia governor's race outcome may affect the American-US Airways merger[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=10pt]FT WORTH (Star-Telegram) - Those of us in Texas probably didn't spend much time watching the Virginia governor's race this fall.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]But one Wall Street analyst thinks the loss by Virginia's attorney general Ken Cuccinelli may affect the American Airlines-US Airways merger.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]Cuccinelli is one of six state attorney generals who have sued to stop the merger in conjunction with the U.S. Department of Justice's antitrust complaint. Cuccinelli, who had hoped to become Virginia's next governor, lost to Terry McAuliffe on Tuesday.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]Virginia is also home to Reagan National Airport. Government regulators have expressed concern that the combined American-US Airways would have too many take-off and landing slots at Reagan and divestiture of those slots are likely to be involved in a possible settlement deal.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]"We think pressure is mounting on regulators at the state and federal levels to reach a settlement with the airlines, and we would place significant value on a settlement with the Commonwealth of Virginia given the fact that DCA is located in that state, and DCA concentration is seemingly the most contentious and solvable issue in the DoJ’s complaint, in our view," Wolfe Research analyst Hunter Keay told investors in a research note on Thursday. "Assuming politics were involved in Mr. Cuccinelli’s decision to join the DoJ complaint we think his loss this week in the Governor’s race should slightly improve the chances of a settlement between the airlines and Virginia and would in turn cause observers to raise their probabilities of a deal getting done."[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]An antitrust trial is scheduled for November 25 in federal court in Washington D.C. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed on Monday that settlement talks between the two sides are "ongoing."[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=10pt]Barclays likes Delta over UAL post-AMR/US Airways merger[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]Barclays cuts  [/SIZE]its rating on United Continental  to Underweight. The investment firm has an interesting take on the fallout for UAL after the American-US Airways merger finalizes, tipping Delta Air Line to benefit more than United on the margin front.
 
 
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[nycbusdriver]

If the government allows this merger, it would be unreasonable to demand that new AA shrink even further at LGA below the 31%.   

 
Is there some indication that the government intends to be reasonable?  That would certainly be a breath of fresh air, but don't hold that breath waiting, either.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Back in the 1970's the DOJ pursued a antitrust lawsuit against AT&T which led the the Bell System Divestiture and the creation of seven regional Bell companies.

If the DOJ feels so strongly that consolidation in the airline industry is bad for consumers, along with stopping this merger, they should begin to dismantle DAL and UAL. At least then their policy and practice would be consistent and even handed. Of course that won't happen.

My guess is that just about the time everyone is resigned to commence the trial and all chatter regarding a settlement has become silent - the parties will settle.

After all, who wants to have their turkey dinner, half cold, away from family, delivered to a conference room somewhere in the District.

'84

 

[nycbusdriver]

Back in the 1970's the DOJ pursued a antitrust lawsuit against AT&T which led the the Bell System Divestiture and the creation of seven regional Bell companies.

If the DOJ feels so strongly that consolidation in the airline industry is bad for consumers, along with stopping this merger, they should begin to dismantle DAL and UAL. At least then their policy and practice would be consistent and even handed. Of course that won't happen.

My guess is that just about the time everyone is resigned to commence the trial and all chatter regarding a settlement has become silent - the parties will settle.

After all, who wants to have their turkey dinner, half cold, away from family, delivered to a conference room somewhere in the District.

'84

 
Yes, they will settle.  If not by the Friday before Thanksgiving, certainly early in Thanksgiving week so that all the DOJ weenies will be able to catch their US Airways flight to their hometowns to be with extended families.  (And that may be the last round trip they will be able to go non-stop out of DCA, once they have their way!)

 

[traderjake]

I hope you're right.
 
The stock price of the two companies suggests you are.