Obama 2012-Are You Better Off Than Four Years Ago?

[SparrowHawk]

I agree with the first part of the quote to increase fuel costs. I think it should be done in conjunction with an increase in CAFE requirements that will off set the cost of fuel. That way the fuel cost goes up but at no or minimal cost to the consumer over the long haul. There is no reason we should not have cars that make in excess of 50mpg.

I do not agree with the electric/hybrid cars at least in their current configuration.

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."

Haven't we seen all of the government we as citizens can stand? Look at the rousing Job growth and lower unemployment from the so called stimulus? How's that working for ya? We're in the soup because of Government not the other way around.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty" Which Side are you on?

 

[Ms Tree]

Im glad u were not in charge of tbe Apollo program. You'd have given up when the Sat V had the fire.

Just because gov sucks at certain things does not mean they suck at it all.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Im glad u were not in charge of tbe Apollo program. You'd have given up when the Sat V had the fire.

Just because gov sucks at certain things does not mean they suck at it all.

Well The Supreme Leader of the Peoples Democratic Republic of Barackistan should change his name to Electrolux or Dyson because he does indeed suck.

He's a Socialist, Globalist & Statest maggot that needs to be squashed under the Jack Boot of Freedom and Liberty for Individuals

A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.


The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

 

[delldude]

I agree with the first part of the quote to increase fuel costs. I think it should be done in conjunction with an increase in CAFE requirements that will off set the cost of fuel. That way the fuel cost goes up but at no or minimal cost to the consumer over the long haul. There is no reason we should not have cars that make in excess of 50mpg.

I do not agree with the electric/hybrid cars at least in their current configuration.

So Joe Schmuck, barely making it now feeding his family and spending loads on high priced gas to go to work is going to be able to buy a new fuel efficient vehicle that gets 50 MPG?

MPG requirements go up, technology to do it and repair it becomes quite costly.

Ahhhh......maybe a new government subsidy for those who just can't make it?

 

[SparrowHawk]

So Joe Schmuck, barely making it now feeding his family and spending loads on high priced gas to go to work is going to be able to buy a new fuel efficient vehicle that gets 50 MPG?

MPG requirements go up, technology to do it and repair it becomes quite costly.

Ahhhh......maybe a new government subsidy for those who just can't make it?

Not to worry Dell, Bernanke will just turn up the Printing Presses and print just enough money to throw us into a depression after Obama's second term so it will be the Republicans fault. Then the price of oil will be so low as no one will be able to afford gas @ $1.60 a gallon. All of this will take place as the Republicans rant, rave, fester and boil while whistling past our economic graveyard content in knowing that they're buying rounds of drinks for there Democrat buddies with your Grand Kids, Grand Kids money.

Sometimes I really think these rat B*stards sit around over cocktails and laugh their asses off at us. I can just see a conversation like this happening

DEM- Hey you gonna run against me next year Charlie?
REP - Hell yeah you old liberal B*stard.
DEM - Well don't forget to run a few commercials about my road to nowhere
REP - Oh Shite, do me a favor don't mention the affair with the 19 year old au pair.
DEM - OK don't you mention my mistress either. DEAL
REP - Works for me. Now on the odd shot you win you owe me on that airport expansion
DEM - Oh be serious we only got US Airways flying in here now, what about my new sewage plant.
REP - Hell no matter who gets elected lets see if we can present a bipartisan (nod wink snicker) and get both projects funded
DEM - We really don't need either one ya know?
REP- Oh I know Phil but hey somebody is gonna get that money so why not us?
DEM- I'll drink to that.
REP & DEM - Here's to good old fashioned politics!!! SALUTE!

 

[Ms Tree]

Joe is going to have issues with gas to day or bigger issues with gas tomorrow. We can either react to the problem or be proactive. Being reactive has not work well.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Joe is going to have issues with gas to day or bigger issues with gas tomorrow. We can either react to the problem or be proactive. Being reactive has not work well.

Bull POOP. We have enough Oil, Coal and Natural Gas to last a good long time as much as 100 years, BUT we have to go get it. As per usual you focus in on the minutia of the post. Another typical Progressive trait. Why tell the truth when a lie will do. So when we supposed to run out of oil now? Wasn't it the lying Progressive rat B*stards who told us we'd run out of oil from Alaska in the 1990's?

The Republicans ain't no bowl of cherries, but at least the fruit isn't totally rotten. On a good day I can just about tolerate their BS. They don't want a limited Federal Government either, it's all lip service and you know why? No spoils of war to hand out to their friends and contributors if we scale back the Federal Government.

I would really like to see a report from a reputable think tank on just how much oil, coal and natural gas we really have here in the US and off shore. You come on here spouting unsupported Progressive rhetoric and Chicken Little prophesies

 

[SparrowHawk]

Rove: Obama Will Let Medicare Go Bankrupt

Wednesday, 25 May 2011 08:49 AM

By Hiram Reisner

Former presidential adviser Karl Rove says President Barack Obama will spend much of his time and money “trashing” the Republican presidential candidate. Obama also will allow Medicare to go bankrupt, Rove said Tuesday on Fox News.

Karl Rove, obama, election, Medicare
Karl Rove: President Barack Obama will "spend much of his time, much of his money, much of his treasure on trashing the Republican presidential candidate" in his re-election campaign. (Getty Images Photo)
“We’re on the cusp of what will be the most, in my opinion, the most negative re-election effort ever mounted by a president,” Rove told Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly. “He will want to defend the record of the last four years. By the time the election rolls around, he’s going to spend much of his time, much of his money, much of his treasure on trashing the Republican presidential candidate.”

O’Reilly said Obama will make Medicare the centerpiece of his re-election campaign.

“Well, if he does, he’s got a problem because his own actuary at the Department of Health and Human Services says the program is going broke in 2026,” Rove said. “We’re already spending more money than we take in on Medicare on the parts of Medicare they are sort of self-funding, self- financing.

“The president is obligated under a federal law to have provided each of the last three years a plan to Congress on how Medicare is going to be stabilized and made solvent,” he said. “It’s an automatic — automatic — trigger built into the law many decades ago. He has failed in each one of the years he is in office to provide that kind of plan to the Congress.

“And he’s not going to do it. So the choice is going to be between somebody who is blindly allowing the country to go down the path in which Medicare is going to go bankrupt and fail our seniors or in which he’s going to leave the decisions up to an unelected panel called the Independent Payment Advisory Board on how to ration healthcare for seniors in Medicare or find a constructive solution,” Rove said.

Now I freely and openly concede that Karl Rove is less than the perfect mouthpiece for any political party. In fact I'd argue that in some ways he's as bad as Obama is if you're an everyday guy who draws a paycheck. However his insight is often spot on.

 

[Ms Tree]

Bull POOP. We have enough Oil, Coal and Natural Gas to last a good long time as much as 100 years, BUT we have to go get it. As per usual you focus in on the minutia of the post. Another typical Progressive trait. Why tell the truth when a lie will do. So when we supposed to run out of oil now? Wasn't it the lying Progressive rat B*stards who told us we'd run out of oil from Alaska in the 1990's?

The Republicans ain't no bowl of cherries, but at least the fruit isn't totally rotten. On a good day I can just about tolerate their BS. They don't want a limited Federal Government either, it's all lip service and you know why? No spoils of war to hand out to their friends and contributors if we scale back the Federal Government.

I would really like to see a report from a reputable think tank on just how much oil, coal and natural gas we really have here in the US and off shore. You come on here spouting unsupported Progressive rhetoric and Chicken Little prophesies

Who cares how much oil there is. As per usual you only look at the short term and ignore the long term consequences. Another typical conservative trait. Fossil fuels are harmful to the environment, costly to extract an just plain inefficient. Had we listened to Carter and started to break our oil dependence back in the 70's/80's we might already be well on our way toward telling the ME to pound sand. But typical conservatives are more interested in cheap gas and fat oil companies instead of seeking to make the cars we have more efficient and develop alternatives.

It would be really nice to keep the oil in the ground, develop alternatives and then sell that technology when it is developed and maybe even sell the oil to China or who ever when they need it in a few decades. But why bother thinking long term. Conservatives are never concerned with tomorrow, only today.

The stuff is a few feet under ground last time I checked. It's all theoretical till they get out out. There there is the cost involved. There is quite a bit of the stuff but a lot of it is not worth going after unless the prices of oil is substantially higher.

I state my opinion just as you do. Why would you need a think tank.... you seem to have all the answers since all my opinions are so obviously wrong.

 

[SparrowHawk]

since all my opinions are so obviously wrong.

Thank you for acknowledging the truth
Brief Google search yielded this.

The Crude Truth About Oil Reserves
The coming century will overflow with petroleum.

Article Here


Mr. Maugeri is the author of the book "The Age of Oil" ( 2006) and of the upcoming book "Beyond the Age of Oil: The Myths and Realities of Fossil Fuels and their Alternatives" (2010). He is senior executive vice president of the Italian oil company Eni, and a visiting scholar at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

 

[Ms Tree]

Hilarious. It only took you two post to go from a 'reputable think tank' to and exec of an oil company Gee, I wonder who funded his research and if he has any hidden interests.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Hilarious. It only took you two post to go from a 'reputable think tank' to and exec of an oil company Gee, I wonder who funded his research and if he has any hidden interests.

I'm guessing MIT. Or perhaps his lightened self interest. I'm still looking for more. Headed to the Cato Institute in a minute.

Now then whether you're happy with my source or not have provided one more than you have.

Here is a 24 page report you can download on the topic courtesy of the Cato Institute. Took me a bit to rummage around their website but the score is now Libertarians 2 - Progressives 0

Energy Alarmism: The Myths That Make Americans Worry about Oil

 

[Ms Tree]

I guess you only read the parts of my post that suited your oil hungry needs. I do not care if there is oil or not. I think it is in our best interest to get off of it as soon as possible. Drilling for more for us to use and avoid the long term problems is not in our best interest.

 

[delldude]

Joe is going to have issues with gas to day or bigger issues with gas tomorrow. We can either react to the problem or be proactive. Being reactive has not work well.

Reactive is Obama shutting down domestic production and giving Brazil money and a promise to buy boat loads of Brazilian oil??

Spread YOUR wealth.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I guess you only read the parts of my post that suited your oil hungry needs. I do not care if there is oil or not. I think it is in our best interest to get off of it as soon as possible. Drilling for more for us to use and avoid the long term problems is not in our best interest.

WHY?

When it looks like we'll have more than enough at prices people can afford for the foreseeable future?

Don't even try to hit us with the Global Warming, Al "the Fraud & hypocrite" Gore and his junk science pals. The earth has gone through several warming periods and an equal number of Ice Ages. It's call Mother Nature and you want to talk Progressive arrogance, imagine a pathetic little species ever for a moment it could alter the forces of nature.

But hey, Give old Carbon Foot Print, Tobacco fortune heir Al Gore an "A" for effort. Must be nice flying in your gas guzzling private jet, living in your 25,000 Sq Ft Mansion, with a Government Pension funded by the very people your elitist nose looks down upon. Imagine having all that free time despite the massive effort he spent inventing the Internet. h34r: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Now you know while I have am IRA Provo as an Avatar.