NWA Pilot Strike?

[robbedagain]

pilots can always get jobs at other airlines whereas it will be harder for you scabs

 

[upsilon]

pilots can always get jobs at other airlines whereas it will be harder for you scabs

What are you smoking! There are many, many well-qualified pilots laid-off from OAL who are still "on the beach". I can't see many 4-stripers climbing into the right seat at B6, about the only one with an expanding fleet.

There seems to be a lot of contract work out there for those like PTO. Only the 'AMFA Boys' will be back where they started - out of work. But this time their former employer will be Out of Business, i.e. BK Chapter 7. AA & CO will be in the best shape to pick up any pieces they want. And you can be sure the tired old NW planes (and any jobs that might go with them) won't be high on a shopping list.

There will be no pilot strike!

 

[robbedagain]

since when did you become a know it all dude? and for your info, I dont smoke. even if the pilots dont go on strike, then it is their stupidity for allowing the arrogants running the NWA airline will trounce all over them. But then they still face the threats from the IAM and the Flight Attendants Associations.

 

[whaledriver]

What are you smoking! There are many, many well-qualified pilots laid-off from OAL who are still "on the beach". I can't see many 4-stripers climbing into the right seat at B6, about the only one with an expanding fleet.

There seems to be a lot of contract work out there for those like PTO. Only the 'AMFA Boys' will be back where they started - out of work. But this time their former employer will be Out of Business, i.e. BK Chapter 7. AA & CO will be in the best shape to pick up any pieces they want. And you can be sure the tired old NW planes (and any jobs that might go with them) won't be high on a shopping list.

There will be no pilot strike!

The MX SCABS are the only employee group that will NEVER find legitimate airline/corporate work again outside of NWA...SCABS - U better pray NWA floats on this one.

The PILOTS have several options...many pilots that I know and flown with have got on with Cargo flying such as FEDEX, UPS, DHL ect. OR enjoy flying part 91 bizjets. The part 91 corporate flight departments enjoy hiring ex-airline pilots. In fact, many retired part 121 CPTs fly part 91 after age 60 for the pleasure of flying a state of the art BizJet and for some extra $$$. Your right, I highly doubt many 'Captains' would start at the bottom with a LCC (B6). They would actually have a much better quality of life/more days off flying corporate equipment such as my buddies in the G4, CL-604, DA-900, ect. CPTs make well over $100K/yr with exc bens/ret plans/all meals paid/awesome hotels/ exotic locations and a huge Xmas bonus each yr for pilots and F/A. It's a totally different concept as to how a fortune 500 company treats pilots. Guys and Gals...don't worry these jobs are out there.

The PILOTS will strike if forced into NEWCO's current proposal...they have no choice. NWA will keep outsourcing more flying if they succeed with the (NB) flying.

Next, it will be the B-747 NWA CARGO flying. Outsourced the same way to Atlas, Polar, Kalitta, Astar ect.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Aren't you guys just so cute? Do let me ask, if NWA liquidates where are the pilots going to work? How many pilots work for NWA? How many jobs are out there paying any where close to what they are making even with the cuts? Supply and demand people, it is a fact of life.

Y-A-W-N

Yea, and there was someone just like you saying the same thing when EAL shutdown.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

They would actually have a much better quality of life/more days off flying corporate equipment such as my buddies in the G4, CL-604, DA-900, ect. CPTs make well over $100K/yr with exc bens/ret plans/all meals paid/awesome hotels/ exotic locations and a huge Xmas bonus each yr for pilots and F/A. It's a totally different concept as to how a fortune 500 company treats pilots. Guys and Gals...don't worry these jobs are out there.

How many of these jobs are out there? Maybe enough to hire less than 1% of NWA's work force. If the pilots do strike the NWA and FED EX pilots could switch jobs. You need to take another look at Bear96's scab list.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Yea, and there was someone just like you saying the same thing when EAL shutdown.

Really? Well I think the strikers a EAL thought EAL was bluffing. I am sure many were shocked when EAL ended up closing the doors.

Just as I am sure the Teamsters was shocked when Dalfort said if you strike we will close this facility for good. Well the Teamsters struck and Dalfort closed the facility.

I can see why companies want to move their operations overseas, they are burned out on dealing with unions.

You guys talk about how bad NWA treats its employees, I don't think there has ever been a company/employee relationship here. From what I can see there has only been company/union relationships and I can damn well see where that would turn sour.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

How many of these jobs are out there? Maybe enough to hire less than 1% of NWA's work force. If the pilots do strike the NWA and FED EX pilots could switch jobs. You need to take another look at Bear96's scab list.

Damn, are you really that stupid???

FedEx pilots ALREADY make more than NWA pilots.


"switch"???

You haven't a clue.

 

[upsilon]

since when did you become a know it all dude?.....

I don't "know it all"; but I do know more about some things than you. That is evident from your "I don't smoke" response to my rhetorical comment followed by a change-the-subject answer. It is also evident by your non-response to my post #38 on the "AMFA Offer" thread.

In another post you wrote that what you did at US was nobody's business. I personally believe you to be a "wanna-be/wish-I-was AMT" ramper; and your "I Get No Respect" signature line says it all!

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Really? Well I think the strikers a EAL thought EAL was bluffing. I am sure many were shocked when EAL ended up closing the doors.

Just as I am sure the Teamsters was shocked when Dalfort said if you strike we will close this facility for good. Well the Teamsters struck and Dalfort closed the facility.

I can see why companies want to move their operations overseas, they are burned out on dealing with unions.

You guys talk about how bad NWA treats its employees, I don't think there has ever been a company/employee relationship here. From what I can see there has only been company/union relationships and I can damn well see where that would turn sour.

You're a fool.

Unions this, unions that, yada, yada, yada.

Tell me why Frank Lorenzo (former CEO of Eastern) has been for all intents and purposes blackballed from the airline industry???

Oh and BTW, your knowledge of your current employer is a tad lacking. Well before the last 2+ years of labor fun, NWA already had secured itself a spot at the top of hiddeous labor relations, not in just airlines but all buisness.Now before you spew more of your anti-union gibberish, you should be aware its not just me or the other pro AMTs on this board, this comes from some of the very same labor relations analysts/professors who have made many labor critical statements as of late.

Its common knowledge.

I guess in your case knowledge just ain't so common.

 

[aafsc]

Really? Well I think the strikers a EAL thought EAL was bluffing. I am sure many were shocked when EAL ended up closing the doors.

Just as I am sure the Teamsters was shocked when Dalfort said if you strike we will close this facility for good. Well the Teamsters struck and Dalfort closed the facility.

I can see why companies want to move their operations overseas, they are burned out on dealing with unions.

You guys talk about how bad NWA treats its employees, I don't think there has ever been a company/employee relationship here. From what I can see there has only been company/union relationships and I can damn well see where that would turn sour.

Were you at EAL? I was. I can tell you for a fact that the EAL shutdown was no surprise at all. It was mutually assurred destruction at EAL.It was clearly evident what Lorenzo's goal was once he acquired EAL; TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF IT'S EMPLOYEES. His new management team was more concerned about harrassing and intimidating the employees and transferring assets from EAL to CO for less than what they were really worth. His goal was NEVER to run a viable EAL. During the Borman era, before Lorenzo's arrival, I just went in and did my job and was never militant. We had our share of militants that constantly cried, complained, and b1tched about management (these were the types that crossed). I was never militant UNTIL HARRASSED BY THE NEW MANAGEMENT TEAM. THEY MADE ME MILITANT. Between the scabs working the ramp damaging the aircraft, the scab mechanics cannibalizing some aircraft for parts to put on others, the flying public avoiding EAL, and the Gulf war, it was indeed no surprise at all that EAL failed; as it so richly deserved.

 

[MCI transplant]

Were you at EAL? I was. I can tell you for a fact that the EAL shutdown was no surprise at all. It was mutually assurred destruction at EAL.It was clearly evident what Lorenzo's goal was once he acquired EAL; TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF IT'S EMPLOYEES. His new management team was more concerned about harrassing and intimidating the employees and transferring assets from EAL to CO for less than what they were really worth. His goal was NEVER to run a viable EAL. During the Borman era, before Lorenzo's arrival, I just went in and did my job and was never militant. We had our share of militants that constantly cried, complained, and b1tched about management (these were the types that crossed). I was never militant UNTIL HARRASSED BY THE NEW MANAGEMENT TEAM. THEY MADE ME MILITANT. Between the scabs working the ramp damaging the aircraft, the scab mechanics cannibalizing some aircraft for parts to put on others, the flying public avoiding EAL, and the Gulf war, it was indeed no surprise at all that EAL failed; as it so richly deserved.

You know aa! I know you don't want to hear it, but that's one thing we do have in commen! Frank Lorenzo!!!

 

[Opus]

Here are some predictions for you all..........

1. ALPA will not strike because they will be injoined from doing so by the bk judge. They also know they will have all the power in their corner once NW emerges from bk, while in bk ALPA has no power. When this imposed contract is up that will be a totally different story, at that time ALPA will strike and at that time they will hold all the cards and NW will hold none.

2. Sadly, amfa may win this one yet. Things are taking place which show, at least here at dtw, that someone higher up the food chain here is driving the replacements away.

3. Regaurdless of what happens with the replacements amfa will be replaced via card drive and the iam will be in.

4. If the f/a's strike they can simply say goodbye. NW has a complete new group ready to step in and they will be in the same situation as the striking amfa mechs....OUT IN THE COLD.

 

[aafsc]

aafc,

Are you currently employeed at NWA? If so could you compare & contrast the mood at EAL versus the mood at NWA. It would be interesting to hear your insight and observations.

PineyBob, I am not employed by NWA. I work for AA.

 

[aafsc]

You know aa! I know you don't want to hear it, but that's one thing we do have in commen! Frank Lorenzo!!!

Unfortunately, you are right. The very possibility of Lorenzo getting hold of TWA caused the unions to run to Icahn, who as we all know bled TWA to death. So actually Lorenzo indirectly caused TWA's destruction while he was directly responsiblie for EAL's destruction. Another thing we obviously have in common, we both ended up at AA.