Nwa New Talks With Mechanics Begin Thusday

[Raptor]

In other words, you are hereby declaring to AA that you are more than willing to scab if AA were to pull, or better yet when AA pulls the same sh*t that NWA did. In other words, you have no interest in being in a union where the good of all is put before the good of one.

[post="298611"][/post]​

Well I don't want you to put words in my mouth, what I am saying is just what I said and that is that I will make my own decisions on my job no one else, as for AA pulling the same stunt they probably will to some degree hopefully not to the same degree as Northwest but, I am quite sure that the employee's that live in Tulsa who are the majority at AA will never go on strike, that is not their personality and it does not matter what Union represents them either they still vote the same way.

If you don't like being somewhere bad enough you can always leave, I don't like working for AA myself, but I don't dislike it enough yet to leave, I am currently looking for a better way of making a living if I find one I will be gone in a flash, maybe you should think about doing the same, cause your gonna be real unhappy when AA comes for us again and the majority in Tulsa vote yes again.

I don't have to worry about crossing a picket line thanks to the personalities in Tulsa but if it was a choice of my family or a line I would if I had to.

My family comes first period, nothing else.
You may not understand that but that is just the way things are.

I didn't pick Aviation as a carerr cause it was Unionized, I picked it long before I knew it was Unionized or even knew anything about Unions to be honest had I known, I probably would not have picked that career as I don't like putting my fate in someone eles's hands, it makes me very very uncomfortable.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Raptor 10 months ago....

Posted on: Nov 18 2004, 09:06 PM

You can hate the TWU if you want but don't forget to hate AA also.
As for me AA is at the top of my crap list by a long shot.
I really don't think I will be working at AA much longer and with what it has become I am really not to bothered by it.

If AA ask's for another concession I for one am ready to strike if the majority vote to do so.

Raptor Now....

If you don't like being somewhere bad enough you can always leave, I don't like working for AA myself, but I don't dislike it enough yet to leave,

I don't have to worry about crossing a picket line thanks to the personalities in Tulsa but if it was a choice of my family or a line I would if I had to.

Amazing what happens to people when the oven gets hot......

 

[proAMFA]

The Strikers at NWA didn't want to strike at NWA-they had to strike.
Now NWA is using every trick in the book to coerce many of them across the line.

SCAB, don't get to used to your position they'll contract out your job and they'll have an easier time since SCAB's have less leverage than union members.

Wife of SCAB,

Proud? Proud of stealing a man's job and becoming a boot licker? My advice is to have your husband find a good job rather than an unstable job gained at the expense of others. What comes around goes around and you guys will be rewarded for your actions in the end. There is going to be a permanent label attached to your husband for the rest of his aviation career. Stealing a mans job is nothing to be proud of. The AMFA Strikers were not asking for pay raises and most believe that sacrifice is required. Their only crime is not agreeing with the company's figures. You and your husband are being used as pawns in a sad game. But don't listen to me. Go out and buy a new car and a new house because you have a great new job with NWA.

 

[local 12 proud]

It's a "I GOT MINE" mentality which will be the final nail for the working middle class.

 

[Raptor]

Raptor 10 months ago....
Raptor Now....
Amazing what happens to people when the oven gets hot......

[post="298629"][/post]​

You won't get an argument from me on that you are right it is amazing what happens to people when the oven gets hot, I meant what I said back then and I probably would have done just that, but that does not mean that I also would not have come back on the 13th had the company said come back on the 13th or you no longer work here.

If I went back or stayed out it would be because that was the best choice for me and my family not because of someone else's needs, I know that is not the Union way but some people just don't make good Union people, I have never had much luck relying on other people.

This attitude may very well be the death of Unions but I think they are already dead atleast when it comes to strikes, I think employee's sticking together is good to a point but when it comes to quitting your job or taking poison cause the majority think that is the right thing to do, then sticking together is not always the right thing to do.

The Northwest employee's did not have to go on strike they chose to do so, many I am sure did not want to go on strike but they were afraid not to cause the majority wanted to, It may not have even been the majority of employee's as most strike votes are held in meetings with whoever shows up not by ballot, in theory 20 people could show up at a meeting and vote for 20,000.

I think us AA guys will never get the oppertunity to test how well we can handle the heat, regardless of what Union name is above the door, the cost of living is to cheap here in Tulsa, as I said guys, I am currently looking for another way to make a living cause I don't like the situation it sounds like you don't like it either are you looking for another way to make a living you know the situation is only going to get worse.

And the Union ain't gonna fix the situation Northwest is a classic example of that.
I think Northwest has already won this battle and I don't think they will go into bankruptcy but we will see I could be wrong. ( but I am usually not ) B)

I did not want to work for AA back then and I still don't now and I am still trying to figure out a way to get out of here and still be able to take care of my family, haven't found it yet but I won't stop looking.

 

[Raptor]

Amfaman and Proama you both are obviously stong Union men you may have even had Union parents if that works for you great, but it doesn't work for everybody.

We are all different, and thats cool too.

 

[local 12 proud]

I am Opus's wife and I arrived this morning via NWA it was a wonderfully safe flight, thank you very much. Several of us wifes are coming in to visit our husbands who we love very much and are very proud of, as I am sure Playtheodds wife is. My husband has shown me many of the post on here about them and I find it disgusting that because a man is working at his craft or trade you belittle him. My husband didnt call NWA and say hey dump your mechanics and give me a job no, they called him. He has many years of experience DAMN GOOD EXPERIENCE and he is VERY VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES. He didnt set out to take anyones job, just to work while the sqabbling between the union and the company concluded, in other words to keep the airline in business; however your arrogance at wanting to put NWA out of business is revolting; how dare you. Your self importance is overwhelming. DO NOT DEGRADE MY HUSBAND DO NOT ATTACK OUR FAMILY YOU HAVE NO RIGHT. If you didnt want someone doing your job you should have stayed on your job. Your choice to walk away and strike indicates you didnt or dont understand aviation today and the way the industry works and just how many mechanics are out there looking for work and how many work as contractors. You have no right to be angry with any of these contractors that are working for NWA you should only be angry with yourselves, but that would require an acknowledgment that you miscalculated the industry and todays market. Go on with your stike, I dont care, but put the blame where it belongs and discuss your grievances with company and leave these contractors out of it. By the way, we love the cold and the snow.

[post="298524"][/post]​

I would think after three weeks of absence from your SCAB hubby, and just arriving to visit him, he would be wanting to spend some quality time with his SCAB supporting wife. Instead he shares his SCAB post's with his SCAB wife on the usaviation board, how thought provoking! Well Mrs. Opus your SCAB hubby has no HONOR among men, he is part of the problem not part of the solution. He is assisting in the lowering of wages for a CRAFT which has already been under attack for some time now and is continueing a race to the bottom..... You love the cold and snow, well take your SCAB hubby and go live in Siberia!

 

[dc3fanatic]

Proud? Proud of stealing a man's job . . .

[post="298636"][/post]​

You walked away from your job, right?

I've seen tons of people talk about supply and demand on this board and how it applies to ticket prices and fuel. Why do you believe Labor is immune?

There seems to be an oversupply of mechanics. Unless mechanics exit (chose another profession), wouldn't the laws of economics expect wages to decrease?

 

[Raptor]

Union membership has been on the decline for the last 20 years and more and more states are voting in right to work, like Oklahoma just recently did, some day there will probably be federal right to work legislation, times change and people must change with them, we don't have a choice, with all of these changes I think that the strong Union people had better figure out a way to deal with it or they are going to be very unhappy.

I can live with them or without them so I really don't care what happens to them one way or the other, as I said I like some things about Unions but there are Definitely some things I do not like about them as well, they make me very uncomfortable sometimes as I don't trust people and a whole lot of people equals a whole lot of mistrust.

I trust my decisions more than I trust anyone elses decisions.

sometimes I wonder if the majority of a Union jumped off a cliff would the rest follow :huh: freewilled guys like me would not and that is probably a good thing. B)

 

[PlayTheOdds]

ProAMFA and AMFAMAN, Why do you insist that unions are the only way for the middle class to survive. The majority of the middle class are not union yet they seem to be doing fine. The one guy I do know that is union works for the post office and we all know how overpaid they are. The people I have met from there are extremely disgruntled, I'm beginning to believe that the problem lies with the union rather than managemen. All the union places I have worked at were the same way. It seems to me that the unions bring out the worst in people.

I cannot think of one situation where I would belittle a mans family. Yet here you people don’t seem to have any problems with it. I really think you guys need to quit preaching ethics, because you don’t have any yourselves.

 

[Raptor]

ProAMFA and AMFAMAN, Why do you insist that unions are the only way for the middle class to survive. The majority of the middle class are not union yet they seem to be doing fine. The one guy I do know that is union works for the post office and we all know how overpaid they are. The people I have met from there are extremely disgruntled, I'm beginning to believe that the problem lies with the union rather than managemen. All the union places I have worked at were the same way. It seems to me that the unions bring out the worst in people.

I cannot think of one situation where I would belittle a mans family. Yet here you people don’t seem to have any problems with it. I really think you guys need to quit preaching ethics, because you don’t have any yourselves.

[post="298685"][/post]​

Well PTO you are right about the fact that the majority of the middle class are not Union and they are doing just fine in my opinion, my dad was middle class all his life and he made a good wage he was never in a Union, some people just like to be in Unions and they like having the Union mentality while others don't, thats pretty much how I see it.

 

[proAMFA]

I have more ethics than to steal another man's job-SCAB!

 

[Raptor]

I have more ethics than to steal another man's job-SCAB!

[post="298690"][/post]​

Proamfa you consider someone who takes their own job back a scab as well, I do not, I wonder what the true definition of a scab is if there really is one.
I don't think you are bothering him by calling him a scab, if you really want to piss him off you might try calling him something else.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I am here on a temp basis, so I don't believe I'm taking anyone’s job. They are welcome to come and reclaim it at any time with no animosity at all from me. I wish they would hurry up so I can go home.

I have enjoyed my visit here even if I am considered a scab. It really means nothing to me. I was really excited about seeing my name on the infamous scab list but I have come to realize it’s just a farce. I have yet to have my picture taken also, I thought I was going to be famous.
Oh-well, mission accomplished anyway. AMFA has lost all bargaining power in the aviation industry and its members should begin to revolt against it. Soon people will quit sending money to that beach house in Florida.

 

[Raptor]

I am here on a temp basis, so I don't believe I'm taking anyone’s job. They are welcome to come and reclaim it at any time with no animosity at all from me. I wish they would hurry up so I can go home.

I have enjoyed my visit here even if I am considered a scab. It really means nothing to me. I was really excited about seeing my name on the infamous scab list but I have come to realize it’s just a farce. I have yet to have my picture taken also, I thought I was going to be famous.
Oh-well, mission accomplished anyway. AMFA has lost all bargaining power in the aviation industry and its members should begin to revolt against it. Soon people will quit sending money to that beach house in Florida.

[post="298698"][/post]​

If you are not here for the job permanently then why are you here, do you not have a career or are looking for a career I guess I don't get it, maybe a missed a post somewhere I got here late in the game.