Nwa New Talks With Mechanics Begin Thusday

[AMFAMAN]

And what about everything else?

[post="298876"][/post]​

Do you mean "everyone" else?

Otherwise, I don't get your point, I do buy American whenever possible.

 

[Garfield1966]

Do you mean "everyone" else?

Otherwise, I don't get your point, I do buy American whenever possible.

[post="298974"][/post]​

No, I meant "everything". You were able to mention only a few areas where you can buy "american". I guess my pint is that it is becoming more and difficult, if possible at all to "buy american". We have done this to our selves. Our standard of living has out paced the rest of the world and as a result so have our salary demands. So now other countries can produce goods that are nearly as good (in some cases far better .. see Asian autos as an example) than what we can produce for pieces which we cannot even begin to compete with. We in the US, want the cheaper deal (except when it affects our job) so we buy the cheaper product but we still expect to be paid our full salary. How many auto workers have we all put out of work by us buying Honda, Toyota ... etc? They are taking pay cuts or they loose their job.

I think the biggest thing people fail to realize is that we are part of a world organism (for lack of a better term). Our actions all affect each other. Our actions have repercussions far down the line. Your (our) demand for higher and higher salaries, our demand for cheap fuel, all our toys, fancy houses that are bigger than we need, ...etc have priced us out of the market. Well, the market is not correcting it's self. My job is on the line as well as everyone else’s. I tool a huge hit in salary. I made adjustments and I ma making it work. I lost allot of stuff that I "wanted". I drive an 18 year old car. My wife drove a car 18 years old till the engine died with 245, 000 miles on it. We replaced it with a 4 year old used car instead of buying a new one.

People, wake up for god sakes. The world is changing. You can't just go on pretending like nothing is wrong and go on with life as usual.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I think the more educated a person is the less they like being in a Union as they tend to think the Union is holding them back with people who have less education, the reverse is probably true as well people with less education feel they can compete better in a Union enviroment.

[post="298963"][/post]​

That is very much possible and probably is the case. The only problem with that is there is no competition in unions, it is all based on seniority there is no will to drive ahead and out perform your coworker. Employees just sit around waiting their turn. It is really kind of a sad existence.

 

[Red Tail Bear]

That is very much possible and probably is the case. The only problem with that is there is no competition in unions, it is all based on seniority there is no will to drive ahead and out perform your coworker. Employees just sit around waiting their turn. It is really kind of a sad existence.

[post="298996"][/post]​

But you would know this before you take the job. If you don't want to work for a unionized company then don't accept the job.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I don't think I would ever accept a union job especially after this fiasco.

 

[Raptor]

But you would know this before you take the job. If you don't want to work for a unionized company then don't accept the job.

[post="299005"][/post]​

Well it is not that easy people like myself go into a profession not knowing anything about Unions and then when you go to apply for a job at a company in your town you find out that it is Union, well you are only 18 and don't know anything about Unions so you don't even think about what that might mean, now you are working there and when you finally get the gist of what it means your between a rock and a hard place what do you do now if you don't like it, quit what if there are no other good paying A&P jobs in your town then what move well maybe you really like your town where your family is, retrain a very expensive proposition you just got done training for 2 years, that leaves 2 really good options left either live with it as best you can or try to remove the Union, the reverse of Organizing a non Union company, this situation is pretty much my situation, I knew nothing about Unions when I went into this profession, I can live with them or without them the only thing I can't live with is if they were to tell me you must give up your job cause that is what the majority want as in a strike, I would only do that if it was MY CHOICE not someone elses.

I would not like the idea of being labeled a scab if I had to cross the line to go back to work, but I would'nt like the idea of losing my family a whole lot more, when it comes to someones elses needs or my childs it is no contest.

 

[Raptor]

I think maybe right to work might be the answer that way the guys who want to be in the Union can do that and the ones who do not can do that, I would completly seperate the two wages benefits etc.
The Union guys wood have whatever they negotiated and the non Union guys would have whatever they negotiated as an individual, it seems to be the only fair way to do it.

I voted for right to work here in Oklahoma and it passed, that does not mean I would not join the Union it simply means it would be MY CHOICE no one elses.

What do you think PTO would that work.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

The unions would sue the individuals claiming it was their negotiations that got them where they are. No that would not work because there would be too much content between the working individuals and the non-working union members.

 

[Raptor]

The unions would sue the individuals claiming it was their negotiations that got them where they are. No that would not work because there would be too much content between the working individuals and the non-working union members.

[post="299048"][/post]​

I am sure there would be quite a bit of discontent between the two there really is no system that is 100% perfect for everyone, I was just thinking that would be a compromise.

Everybody would get some of what they want but not all.

I think there will be a National right to work someday, if that happens no Union will be able to force an Individual to join them as a condition of employment, also the Unions would have more of an incentative to keep their members happy or they would quit the Union. B)

 

[Vortilon]

That is very much possible and probably is the case. The only problem with that is there is no competition in unions, it is all based on seniority there is no will to drive ahead and out perform your coworker. Employees just sit around waiting their turn. It is really kind of a sad existence.

[post="298996"][/post]​

PTO,

You just don't get it do you. Would you say the same thing to a fireman that has to wait for a fire to go to work? You can move on, learn avionics or visa versa learn general a/c maint if you are avionics. For the most part, if you want to move up in a company don't plot a career as an AMT. Unions don't promote competition; however, many companies like AA do in fact recognize people for good performance through various programs.

In response to your question " do you need an A&P to be an AMT? " . No but it is preferred by most reputable companies. Do you need a four year degree to be a pilot? No, you sure don't but it would be preferred. Working under a repair station certificate as a repairman as a career for 15 bucks an hour - what kind of talent do you suppose that would attract? All it would take is one good random drug test at all these third party mait vendors and I bet it would obliterate their workforce.

 

[MCI transplant]

High Iron Northwest is not hurting. They have AMFA right where they want them. Northwest’s' goal was to rid itself from AMFA. They have succeeded in that mission. It is not assured destruction fo Northwest. Northwest can operate without AMFA they have already proven that. AMFA cannot survive without Northwest. AMFA's memberships will begin to fall here shortly to the point they cannot operate. AMFA has lost all credibility with this fiasco.

[post="298228"][/post]​

<_< If this is true, why is it NorthWest is the one who requested a return to the table????

 

[Opus]

Well, the title of this little section of the NWA bb is "NWA needs its real mechs back" well according to www.amfa33.org that aint about to happen, although AMFA AGREED to wage cuts and the requested layoffs they couldnt agree on language and severance, so NO DEAL COMING. Guess that is a bit deflating for you guys thought you were going to have all this bargaining power and even though you are willing to accept managments offer your not going to have anything to vote on over 2 issues, ummmm who ended up with the bargaining power. I am sorry for you guys (women too) because AMFA mislead you and now you face an uncertain future and finacial strife. I know most of the replacement workers didnt expect you guys to strike, we thought surely you would see that there are LOTS of laid off aviation mechs from other majors, but then when you did strike we figured it wouldnt last long, guess we were wrong on both counts. Looks like we might be here awhile. <_<

 

[Opus]

No, I meant "everything". You were able to mention only a few areas where you can buy "american". I guess my pint is that it is becoming more and difficult, if possible at all to "buy american". We have done this to our selves. Our standard of living has out paced the rest of the world and as a result so have our salary demands. So now other countries can produce goods that are nearly as good (in some cases far better .. see Asian autos as an example) than what we can produce for pieces which we cannot even begin to compete with. We in the US, want the cheaper deal (except when it affects our job) so we buy the cheaper product but we still expect to be paid our full salary. How many auto workers have we all put out of work by us buying Honda, Toyota ... etc? They are taking pay cuts or they loose their job.

I think the biggest thing people fail to realize is that we are part of a world organism (for lack of a better term). Our actions all affect each other. Our actions have repercussions far down the line. Your (our) demand for higher and higher salaries, our demand for cheap fuel, all our toys, fancy houses that are bigger than we need, ...etc have priced us out of the market. Well, the market is not correcting it's self. My job is on the line as well as everyone else’s. I tool a huge hit in salary. I made adjustments and I ma making it work. I lost allot of stuff that I "wanted". I drive an 18 year old car. My wife drove a car 18 years old till the engine died with 245, 000 miles on it. We replaced it with a 4 year old used car instead of buying a new one.

People, wake up for god sakes. The world is changing. You can't just go on pretending like nothing is wrong and go on with life as usual.

[post="298995"][/post]​

EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[WNjetdoc]

That’s not true where mechanics are involved. The majority of the contract industry doesn't have A&P certificates. Most are really good mechanics and some are better than the A&P holders. A hydraulic system is a hydraulic system now matter what type of equipment it is on. Brakes are brakes, you don’t need a degree to turn a wrench just a little common sense and an idea of how things are supposed to work. An aircraft as a whole is a complicated piece of equipment but when you break it down into individual components there is really nothing to it.

[post="298942"][/post]​

My god man, are you working on US commerical aircraft? All you need is a little common sense and an idea of how things are supposed to work? Did you just say that?

Do you realize there are peoples lives on the a/c that you maintain with, "a little common sense and an IDEA of how things are SUPPOSED to work"? I suppose you use nurf tools to "maintain" a/c?

Do you realize those little systems you mention actually interact with each other on the a/c and there are lives on the line when you make repairs on those systems? It takes years of working on the line to aquire good troubleshooting techniques, not just "common sense", as you say.

Yea its not a big deal if you are working on a hydraulic actuator on the conveyor belt system at a Frito Lay plant and make a mistake. All that will happen is the belt will stop and you have to go back in and make another repair. Make a screw up on an a/c, its kinda difficult to make a repair at 35k feet in the air.

If this guy is typical of the scabs NWA has hired then its no wonder the a/c are having all of these problems...YIKES....scary, very scary. I hope the FAA continues with investigating this airline and I hope they read this bb and see what kind of idiots are working on the NWA a/c, jesus christ.

 

[WNJETFIXER]

That’s not true where mechanics are involved. The majority of the contract industry doesn't have A&P certificates. Most are really good mechanics and some are better than the A&P holders. A hydraulic system is a hydraulic system now matter what type of equipment it is on. Brakes are brakes, you don’t need a degree to turn a wrench just a little common sense and an idea of how things are supposed to work. An aircraft as a whole is a complicated piece of equipment but when you break it down into individual components there is really nothing to it.

[post="298942"][/post]​

Wow, you just showed me how smart you really are!!! NWA is in trouble!!