Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

You don't have to wait to displace me Snappy, it's for sale now! A real easy commute to PHX, where it's looking like you will be locked into for a while.
 
I sure am glad I'm in the group that has the most retirements in the next 3 years!
 
Hit a nerve scooter?

Nope....missed again

 

[snapthis]

Heard a treble quit today. Guess he's not willing to go to prison for the cause?

Yep...it's been been a good couple of days. I love seeing the Evil Empire crumble.

Reagan was right. Trust but but verify.

Verify....there's that word again.

 

[Pi brat]

Yep...it's been been a good couple of days. I love seeing the Evil Empire crumble.

Reagan was right. Trust but but verify.

Verify....there's that word again.

Did you verify the language you were voting for on the MOU? President Reagan would be so disappointed having someone like you invoke his name.

 

[Pi brat]

Heard Scab Streble quit today. Guess he's not willing to go to prison for the cause?

Prision? Drama queen much? How come you know more about what is happening on Woodlawn than I do? Stalker?

 

[Claxon]

"I was hired and began my wonderful Frontier experience on
Oct 3, 1978. I ended up my initial class as an Otter F/O in BIL,
and even made "Queen For A Day" (Capt. for 1 month) until the
bean counter Glen Ryland started messing things up. It was a
wonderful place to start, flying the hi-line with all of it's history.
When the Otters went away I went to DEN and CV580 school
as an F/O. I really enjoyed that experience. When the CV580s
disappeared I finally got to fly "The Jet" as an F/O. Another
wonderful experience. When the MD80s came I was fortunate
to bid and be a lineholder as an F/O. I thought I's died & gone
to heaven, flight guidance, auto throttle, quiet, fast, Wow!
 
Then airline flying as I knew it died. The company and people
I "grew up" with was no more. Oh sure, I got a job with America
West in PHX along with 15-20 other Frontier pilots but it was
sickening after working with such a company of professionals at
FAL to have to wallow in an operational pig pen who thought
they (AWA) had all the answers.
The only saving grace initially was all of the FAL pilots
encouraged and supported each other through the humiliation we
were subjected to. We were told that FAL failed because of our
unions and a whole lot of other ridiculous accusations.(Remember AWA started out with 31 scab Wien pilots as their
initial base of pilots)
To make a long story short most of the FAL pilots just kept our
mouths shut and our dignity, and supported each other. I made
it 14 years there, twelve as a captain and the last 3 as captain/
check airman before forced to retire medically.
 
I will always appreciate the Frontier family. I feel fortunate to
have worked for a real airline and with a group of people
unequalled in the airline industry."
 
Glenn Stephens, Shell Knob MO

 

[Reed Richards]

You guys are never happy with any MEC head you ever elected. Not one. Davis, pollock, Cleary and this last one. Your group needs to grow some.
You wanted a hard ### and picked Cleary. Then you didn't back him. Go figure.

[SIZE=10.5pt]Correct, Cleary was indeed a ####. But is tough to back a megalomaniac who has to get all or nothing. We got nothing. And did Davis even chair the MEC?[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I was actually quite happy with Stephan (even though he ended up being the loyal opposition) and ecstatic over Bradford and Hummel.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I don't want Cleary back, never wanted him "there." Maybe that is the plan for these recall guys, at the last minute Cleary busts through the wall all tan and rested, like the Kool Aid guy and Chuck Norris combined, ready to run for office.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]RR[/SIZE]

 

[Graceson]

Absolutely I will. If necessary. Why would you think the candidate I choose, in fact work for, would be the "least of all evil?" Or were you going to simply tell me which one was the candidate to vote for, based on your judgment? You can rest assured that if Hummel is recalled there will be a candidate of my political leaning running to replace him.
 
I see the scenario you suggest, and it simply will not be allowed to happen. The malcontents running this recall will not get into office by simply being the only choice other than Ferguson. In light of our recent gains, this entire affair speaks to why this East pilot group has been losers for so long. Not getting "all" you want or even deserve should not continue to be a reason to get nothing. We have MUCH more than nothing now, ratified by 75% of us.
 
A new election puts this apathetic East pilot group in a real pickle.  In this particular case, they will indeed reap what they deserve, piss ant elections be damned.
 
RR

Appreciate your directness.

Not impossible a recall may be the result of a majority vote of MIGS... of which you're in the minority.

Not impossible that this majority in addition the the minority who voted against recall would wish something other than a candidate who proposes the nick and only the nic.

But you're saying it's not impossible you'll promote a candidate who might not have the mandate of east majority. And you're saying, as a consequence, if this propels a pro nic candidate into office against the wishes of you, me, and the majority...so be it.

Lose the battle 'and' the war... There's a certain symmetry to it.

 

[Reed Richards]

It did not go well according to the American guys. They got a very thorough brief from their legal team, and the APA has a good one.

Since USAPA was not in attendance, the only ones that can really report (and thanks for your's second hand, its the most we have gotten) on what went on would be LEO or APA.  In the past, when LEO thinks it has a win in the bag, they are usually out front with a report.  I will be having lunch with Keith tomorrow, and look forward to a full rundown. If he allows me, I will give you all a full report. RR

 

[Claxon]

"I was hired and began my wonderful Frontier experience on
Oct 3, 1978. I ended up my initial class as an Otter F/O in BIL,
and even made "Queen For A Day" (Capt. for 1 month) until the
bean counter Glen Ryland started messing things up. It was a
wonderful place to start, flying the hi-line with all of it's history.
When the Otters went away I went to DEN and CV580 school
as an F/O. I really enjoyed that experience. When the CV580s
disappeared I finally got to fly "The Jet" as an F/O. Another
wonderful experience. When the MD80s came I was fortunate
to bid and be a lineholder as an F/O. I thought I's died & gone
to heaven, flight guidance, auto throttle, quiet, fast, Wow!
 
Then airline flying as I knew it died. The company and people
I "grew up" with was no more. Oh sure, I got a job with America
West in PHX along with 15-20 other Frontier pilots but it was
sickening after working with such a company of professionals at
FAL to have to wallow in an operational pig pen who thought
they (AWA) had all the answers.
The only saving grace initially was all of the FAL pilots
encouraged and supported each other through the humiliation we
were subjected to. We were told that FAL failed because of our
unions and a whole lot of other ridiculous accusations.(Remember AWA started out with 31 scab Wien pilots as their
initial base of pilots)
To make a long story short most of the FAL pilots just kept our
mouths shut and our dignity, and supported each other. I made
it 14 years there, twelve as a captain and the last 3 as captain/
check airman before forced to retire medically.
 
I will always appreciate the Frontier family. I feel fortunate to
have worked for a real airline and with a group of people
unequalled in the airline industry."
 
Glenn Stephens, Shell Knob MO

Sounds like Glenn Stephens met Res and SNAPTHIS.....

 

[Pi brat]

Hey Snapples, here is some information on a common Carolina "palm tree". Study up.
 
http://www.ehow.com/info_7987120_palmetto-tree.html

 

[Claxon]

Appreciate your directness.
Not impossible a recall may be the result of a majority vote of MIGS... of which you're in the minority.
Not impossible that this majority in addition the the minority who voted against recall would wish something other than a candidate who proposes the nick and only the nic.
But you're saying it's not impossible you'll promote a candidate who might not have the mandate of east majority. And you're saying, as a consequence, if this propels a pro nic candidate into office against the wishes of you, me, and the majority...so be it.
Lose the battle 'and' the war... There's a certain symmetry to it.

Take Hummel and leave the Founder. Exactly what the west is afraid of. Do not leave two holes to fill.

 

[Reed Richards]

I like the commute to Mallard Head on Lake Norman better than Philly.

Prechilli has a place in Ashville sitting vacant.  You might even be able to get it in a short sale, depending on how desparate she is. She actually thought with a 1996 hire date she was going to be a 330 C/O in CLT.  You cannot make this stuff up! RR

 

[Pi brat]

Prechilli has a place in Ashville sitting vacant.  You might even be able to get it in a short sale, depending on how desparate she is. She actually thought with a 1996 hire date she was going to be a 330 C/O in CLT.  You cannot make this stuff up! RR

Got to correct you there RR. Pre never took me up on my offer to show her around Asheville(it has an e in it, common mistake). Maybe she was nervous about all the scenic overlooks I offered to show her. ;-)
 
 I seriously doubt she was hired as early as 1996.

 

[snapthis]

Did you verify the language you were voting for on the MOU? President Reagan would be so disappointed having someone like you invoke his name.

 
I voted for Reagan. Twice.
 
Let me guess....Carter then Mondale. Forget it.
 
I'm sure a Brat didn't even know who ran in 80 and 84.

 

[Reed Richards]

Appreciate your directness.

Not impossible a recall may be the result of a majority vote of MIGS... of which you're in the minority.

Not impossible that this majority in addition the the minority who voted against recall would wish something other than a candidate who proposes the nick and only the nic.

But you're saying it's not impossible you'll promote a candidate who might not have the mandate of east majority. And you're saying, as a consequence, if this propels a pro nic candidate into office against the wishes of you, me, and the majority...so be it.

Lose the battle 'and' the war... There's a certain symmetry to it.

Let me continue to be direct.  If a majority of the MIGS actually vote and recall Hummel its over, at least for me.  If a bunch don't show up its all about me,  from here on out.  All I have ever asked was for a union to be run by the pilots.  Both the BPR and our pilots have let me down in that regard, especially in the last round of elections after the MOU passed. They could not be bothered to spend 2 minutes and vote.
 
The bet being made here by the recall group is NOT one of a majority, its one of apathy.  They still have not thought this out to the end game.  Maybe its more of McKee's "lets recall Gary, Elect Ferguson, and then recall him."  That exchange was actually recorded in the board room.  Hope it is published someday.  RR