Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

allow me to offer a little prediction on how that would go with our wonderful contract featuring enough gray for an aircraft carrier.Company has exhausted ot list and doesnt get relief though volunteer status(almost certainly the case)they will pull out some irregular ops crap and roll right on.End of story

Not only enuf gray to paint a USS battleship but if you file a grievance about it then u might as well send that battleship to the bermuda triangle because you will never hear about it ever again.

 

[737823]

Regarding scope, if the company is going to eventually bring the IAM-TWU agreements into a single agreement under the alliance how will you work to maintain and enhance scope? The scenario I see is the co taking two bites, first from US and your 69 seat language and then harmonizing the joint agreement to only hubs and several large non-hub stations. No cinderella dates like at UAL but again that's what 141 willingly agreed to and has now set the bar for what is "industry standard". Negotiators should not rollover at US like they did at UA, you all have leverage now and need to show the company you are serious.

Josh

 

[mike33]

If I recall correctly, a few years ago PHX was using Express runners plane side to download connect bags going to Express flights.  I guess they did such a lousy job that Management decided to use mainline runners instead, so I am not sure there is much which violated the CBA, as it was once common practice in PHX.
 
Someone who was once in LAS told me that he would run the United interline bags which were part of the STAR alliance.  UA ramp agents would leave them on the side near the belt loader, he would pick them up.

We should never want anything like that to turn into " It's been common practice ".  i.e. Past Precidence 

 

[700UW]

Show me where in the CBA that allows the company to outsource work where Fleet is staffed due to manpower shortages.

 

[cltrat]

Show me where in the CBA that allows the company to outsource work where Fleet is staffed due to manpower shortages.

wait and see if anything gets filed and if so what happens

 

[Harry Callahan]

wait and see if anything gets filed and if so what happens

Based on the past I don't doubt you for a minute, but it's not right. Some one needs to try. At least keep the paper work going. If you all choose to stand by & do nothing it's going to keep happening.
Harry

 

[cltrat]

oh I'm not saying it's right just the end result.
I was not there that day so I can't say anything about it.
I will say no one said anything about it where I work but that's mostly international inbounds. We are always short so no news there.

 

[ograc]

Not only enuf gray to paint a USS battleship but if you file a grievance about it then u might as well send that battleship to the bermuda triangle because you will never hear about it ever again.

The DL 141 "black hole" of the grievance procedure. Many legitimate grievances, that are not resolved locally fall into it: Many are not pursued and few are favorably resolved. I'm a Chairperson representing a grievance that has been awaiting arbitration for close to 3 years now. With this level of representation by the district; it's no wonder members would question what their paying union dues for? I'm out of explanations and excuses.

 

[ograc]

I talked to a PHL Agent yesterday, he said, AA has about 100 ramp guy's on layoff. He said, The company wants to bring them back and let them work our jets instead of hiring US employees off the street. I say thats bullshit. How does AGC O'Donnell feel about this? Phl is his station, right. Let's get some feedback from the district on this.

How does AGC FO feel about this? refer to post 863. AGC FO is in charge of representing and scheduling Arbitration cases for DL 141. AGC FO was assigned my station for two years before the District reassigned my station to somone else. As Committee Chair I have never met or heard from him. As AGC of my station FO never visited the station. The most recent reassignment represents the 3rd reassigned AGC representing our station since Delaney took office. Once again, it's difficult, as a Local Grievance Committee Chair, to try to justify this lack of representation by the district to the members in my station. I'm out of explanations and excuses to the members I represent. CB and PREZ are you listening?

 

[700UW]

Thank Tim, he got Frank elected.

 

[charlie Brown]

allow me to offer a little prediction on how that would go with our wonderful contract featuring enough gray for an aircraft carrier.Company has exhausted ot list and doesnt get relief though volunteer status(almost certainly the case)they will pull out some irregular ops crap and roll right on.End of story

A grievance has been filed. It was filed the day of the violation, which we do feel is a violation of the contract. 6 flights were met by express runners. Many other things should and could have been done instead. I am confident we will win the grievance, which if the list was exhausted, then the overtime will then go to the lowest equalization in seniority order.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The DL 141 "black hole" of the grievance procedure. Many legitimate grievances, that are not resolved locally fall into it: Many are not pursued and few are favorably resolved. I'm a Chairperson representing a grievance that has been awaiting arbitration for close to 3 years now. With this level of representation by the district; it's no wonder members would question what their paying union dues for? I'm out of explanations and excuses.

Toss out the time limits with this District team.  Yeah yeah yeah,  14 days here, 14 days there....but 3 years?  You are not alone Ograc, the contract allows the company an escape route in 'mediation' which just delays things even more and tosses things into the Bermuda triangle where grievances disappear for YEARS.  It really doesn't matter which AGC you have, Delaney lets management off the hook at all airlines.  Not every grievance should be tabled to mediation.  After no resolution, many should pass right to the system board of arbitration.  How many has Delaney's group actually arbitrated and won over the 4 years?  That's another topic altogether though.

 

[P. REZ]

How does AGC FO feel about this? refer to post 863. AGC FO is in charge of representing and scheduling Arbitration cases for DL 141. AGC FO was assigned my station for two years before the District reassigned my station to somone else. As Committee Chair I have never met or heard from him. As AGC of my station FO never visited the station. The most recent reassignment represents the 3rd reassigned AGC representing our station since Delaney took office. Once again, it's difficult, as a Local Grievance Committee Chair, to try to justify this lack of representation by the district to the members in my station. I'm out of explanations and excuses to the members I represent. CB and PREZ are you listening?

Ograc,
 
I know that you have been in contact with MM, GS and myself in the past. I would hope that you would continue to contact one of us if you need something.
 
P. Rez     

 

[737823]

Thank Tim, he got Frank elected.

Company boy, Tim is only one vote among thousands of DL 141 members how can you say he got someone elected? How many votes do you have for DL 141 officers? ZERO. Why do you keep harping on Tim? He is one member, why do you always attack him rather than engage in a substantive discussion about the issues?

Josh

 

[cltrat]

A grievance has been filed. It was filed the day of the violation, which we do feel is a violation of the contract. 6 flights were met by express runners. Many other things should and could have been done instead. I am confident we will win the grievance, which if the list was exhausted, then the overtime will then go to the lowest equalization in seniority order.

thanks for the response, you don't think then they can pull the irregular ops bs then?