Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

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They only got the ATW work at IAD.That was the one question no one at the IAM would answer. Was there a tacit agreement betweem 141 and 142 to keep the dues flowing?
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Mike klemm "we have a full time commitment letter that protects the status of all FT except for flight activity reductions"

Ive locked in several of the outright lies that delaney and his eboard members have told you and other ewr members and ill post them here as your agc klemm's lie above. That lie is still currently displayed on facebook.
 
Tim Nelson said:
Mike klemm "we have a full time commitment letter that protects the status of all FT except for flight activity reductions"
Ive locked in several of the outright lies that delaney and his eboard members have told you and other ewr members and ill post them here as your agc klemm's lie above. That lie is still currently displayed on facebook.
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Tim to your knowledge are 141/142 collaborating to maintain dues? They must have plans in place with vendors because the CBA will decimate UA ramp and PCE ranks even with the unlimited part time language.

Josh
 
Tim Nelson said:
Mike klemm "we have a full time commitment letter that protects the status of all FT except for flight activity reductions"

Ive locked in several of the outright lies that delaney and his eboard members have told you and other ewr members and ill post them here as your agc klemm's lie above. That lie is still currently displayed on facebook.
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I've read your posts on Facebook about it and the other lies.
A few of my friends are getting mailed letters (not like the furlough letters they got last Jan and Mar.) These letters don't have the State unemployment letter (for expedited processing) I think these letters want you to make choices for location; point; or system. And I think they only have a couple of days to turn them in. I'll find out today from someone what exactly what is says.

You hear so many numbers floating about how many furloughs and reductions, we don't know what's what. Is it by location or point? Judging by the seniority list, If you are way junior at LGA or JFK (like 07 seniority), you can't bump into the hub. So how many is getting cut? The numbers are skewed. The only location that I know is junior is ORD and maybe IAH. Some people I know went to BWI and (SFO - only FT station in the system at that time - we were still on the old IBT contract though)

IMHO, I think there won't be furloughs here. We already had them. But there will be some downgrades. How many, I don't know. If you have a bunch of PT leads here, that will really screw up the hub. That was the people who were saved during the last purge. And they upgraded more leads just a couple months ago because we were short, and senior people won't take them. Now with the new system, why would you upgrade and fall back down to the bottom of the lead list?
 
This is becoming unbelievable. I think i would rather lock arms and say F*U to the company, but i guess the senior UA guys like jerkJob got what they wanted. I will hope the US side doesn't get misled like this or their could be another " Purge "and that would set us back another 10 yrs.
 
As you can see, I took a ripping by at least two ORD shop stewards, Jorge, and Danny, who were either being intellectually dishonest or deluded by the NC who blew smoke up their arses.  Either way, I couldn't control their defrauding, but informing the membership of the truth and the scam that this eboard approved of unanimously was and continues to be something I will do.  I don't do this s to make friends.
Tim Nelson

 
LOA : Full Time Commitment Letter

This letter is only an exception letter. The company is free to downgrade full timers to part time for any ole flimsy reason other than for flexible scheduling. Flight activity, reduction in force, etc.

The only other commitment contained in the LOA is that the union and company will go exploring [LOA wording, not mine] opportunities to preserve day off patterns. R U KIDDN ME?

Joe Bartz has been passing out inaccurate information once again.

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I just hope we get contracts a helluva lot better than that garbage ua got absolutely no excuse why we cant get anything but enhanced contract w scope protection better wages etc
 
737823 said:
Tim, which group on FB is this?

Josh
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That particular Tim Nelson bashing was on "Hell No".  It's a United airline page with a United guy as admin.  I got pounded, even by Delaney on the official website. lol.  It isn't too heavy though. I have no problem putting and inserting my foot up these guys arses when they do their little weasel lies.  Trust me, there will be some excuses and some of these clowns that you guys trust will flip like pancakes when it comes to putting their words to actions.  Folks say, "They wont' do it to me", but they will.  They raped HAL and raped their own blood at United and will have no problem doing it to US AIRWAYS and wrap it up with some BS about the NMB or some procedure or some other dopey thing they will try to pawn it off to.  Watch.  Am I a prophet?  Nope.  I just judge this union leadership by its actions.  Our people have to be vigilant, active, informed, and knowledgable because when some NC members try to sell some BS thing to you [and several of them are terribly ignorant and rely on "Top people" lol to convinced them of lies]  our peeps have to be prepared to rightly divide the truth and BS.  
 
Giving up favorable language in the present contract should be positively off the table in this context.  Increasing scope is a requirement. No bull S drop dead dates either. Getting fair pay raises without having to give up health care cost is mandatory. Keeping, at minimum, the current part time caps is mandatory.  All of this won't come easy but management must understand that seamlessness won't come easy as well.  Asking for much more than what is fair is required, agreeing to fairness is acceptable.
 
Tim,
 
Would you agree or disagree that our best shot at receiving a contract from US hinges on whether the NMB either tells the Company they are releasing us to a 30 day cooling off period or actually releases us? Just curious based on your postings about scs and that you believe TWU must file within 6 months. 
 
P. Rez
 
Tim Nelson said:
That particular Tim Nelson bashing was on "Hell No".  It's a United airline page with a United guy as admin.  I got pounded, even by Delaney on the official website. lol.  It isn't too heavy though. I have no problem putting and inserting my foot up these guys arses when they do their little weasel lies.  Trust me, there will be some excuses and some of these clowns that you guys trust will flip like pancakes when it comes to putting their words to actions.  Folks say, "They wont' do it to me", but they will.  They raped HAL and raped their own blood at United and will have no problem doing it to US AIRWAYS and wrap it up with some BS about the NMB or some procedure or some other dopey thing they will try to pawn it off to.  Watch.  Am I a prophet?  Nope.  I just judge this union leadership by its actions.  Our people have to be vigilant, active, informed, and knowledgable because when some NC members try to sell some BS thing to you [and several of them are terribly ignorant and rely on "Top people" lol to convinced them of lies]  our peeps have to be prepared to rightly divide the truth and BS.  
 
Giving up favorable language in the present contract should be positively off the table in this context.  Increasing scope is a requirement. No bull S drop dead dates either. Getting fair pay raises without having to give up health care cost is mandatory. Keeping, at minimum, the current part time caps is mandatory.  All of this won't come easy but management must understand that seamlessness won't come easy as well.  Asking for much more than what is fair is required, agreeing to fairness is acceptable.
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Thanks Tim. Just curious has the Grand Lodge gotten involved with this? I'm sure they are monitoring this forum and other avenues for discussion online.

Josh
 
P. REZ said:
Tim,
 
Would you agree or disagree that our best shot at receiving a contract from US hinges on whether the NMB either tells the Company they are releasing us to a 30 day cooling off period or actually releases us? Just curious based on your postings about scs and that you believe TWU must file within 6 months. 
 
P. Rez
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Release us IMO. Company can mull over what our options for ourselves are and take wild guesses as to what we have planned. That leave the company with 150 days to wonder if indeed TWU has to file
 
P. REZ said:
Tim,
 
Would you agree or disagree that our best shot at receiving a contract from US hinges on whether the NMB either tells the Company they are releasing us to a 30 day cooling off period or actually releases us? Just curious based on your postings about scs and that you believe TWU must file within 6 months. 
 
P. Rez
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A release or threat of the release will answer the question of a scs application. The nmb simply will not recognize a single carrier application, regardless of who files it, if it has put the company on notice with a possible release. If granted, well played by the iam, but the union still has to have the brains to know what to do with a release and the best options. Either way it comes down to braind and leverage strategy. Ive seen unions do some real stupid s with a release.
 
Tim Nelson said:
A release or threat of the release will answer the question of a scs application. The nmb simply will not recognize a single carrier application, regardless of who files it, if it has put the company on notice with a possible release. If granted, well played by the iam, but the union still has to have the brains to know what to do with a release and the best options. Either way it comes down to braind and leverage strategy. Ive seen unions do some real stupid s with a release.
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Tim,  
 
Do you agree or disagree that a release or threat of a release is the best way to a contract from this Company? Do you believe that a contract is forthcoming without said release or threat of release?  
 
P. Rez
 
P. REZ said:
Tim,  
 
Do you agree or disagree that a release or threat of a release is the best way to a contract from this Company? Do you believe that a contract is forthcoming without said release or threat of release?  
 
P. Rez
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I'm just going to interject a bit and say, who knows better than you guys?. If it is advice that you may be looking for than ok. If there is an underlying reason to ask that then not ok. This company will push us to the limit. It's time to push back and what a better way than to be released or a threat of that! .....F them.........As parker has said many times before...  " You get what you can negotiate ". Well, it's time to be " Gettin " period.
 
 When are we gonna stop explaining Sh*T and do something?
 
I for one will not participant in their panty ass surveys. Who cares what we look like. Parker is playing his  "employee appreciation " all the way to the bank. Those that have been compensated while in BK ? Good for them. They dodged the Big Bullet but not the Bite.
 
As you can tell I'm not a happy camper or compadre! I'll stop for now!
 
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