Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

You and your coworkers are your own worst enemy, you willing violate company policy, work by the book, its the rules.

700--
 
This particular person is an enigma wrapped in a mystery. He/She preaches pro-corporate economics, and financial regulations to the letter of the law-- but when it comes to actually championing a culture that would benefit the safety and well-being of coworkers... they refuse, and blame the IAM for their reasons for not following Company Policy!
 
Gotta love it!  

 

[Kev3188]

Interestingly (or not), I just had to attend a mandatory training for crew chiefs where one of the main points covered was the importance of strictly following the company's posted work rules/policies/procedures on the ramp...

 

[700UW]

Roa,
 
How is retirement?

 

[737823]

You cant be disciplined for doing your job per company rules and regulations.

If the IAM turns a blind eye and supports the company in railroading the employee it absolutely can and does happen.

Josh

 

[700UW]

More lies. Guess you are so smart you dont know what. DFR is.

 

[Kev3188]

If the IAM turns a blind eye and supports the company in railroading the employee it absolutely can and does happen.

Josh

 
Can you give us some specific examples of where that has occurred on the US property?

 

[700UW]

He cant cause he is a union hating outsider, who thinks he knows it all.

 

[Jester]

If the IAM turns a blind eye and supports the company in railroading the employee it absolutely can and does happen.

Josh

That's what people don't want to accept or understand... sure, maybe a ramper could win a grievance, sure the Company has violated its own policies, sure the terminated ramper could file a DFR or even sue the Company, and still lose due to a lack of funds or some ruling by a Court or Adjudicator still living without income. Or the ramper can just scan a bag and toss it out the bin door in violation of "work safe" and collect a pay check. Until the IAM is ready to make a "Rosa Parks Moment" where it establishes and wholly funds a plan (including income for the terminated ramper) waiting for that one provocative event to bring Hell upon the Company, I will continue not to "work safe" (within reason) and scan and toss bags out the bin without help.

 

[700UW]

Coward, in my 20 years no one has ever been terminated for working by the companies' rules, regulations and policies.

Grow a set.

During our 30 day cooling off period in 92 and 99 we worked exactly by the book and no one was disciplined nor terminated.

 

[Kev3188]

That's what people don't want to accept or understand... sure, maybe a ramper could win a grievance, sure the Company has violated its own policies, sure the terminated ramper could file a DFR or even sue the Company, and still lose due to a lack of funds or some ruling by a Court or Adjudicator still living without income. Or the ramper can just scan a bag and toss it out the bin door in violation of "work safe" and collect a pay check. Until the IAM is ready to make a "Rosa Parks Moment" where it establishes and wholly funds a plan (including income for the terminated ramper) waiting for that one provocative event to bring Hell upon the Company, I will continue not to "work safe" (within reason) and scan and toss bags out the bin without help.

 
Remind us: If you are explicitly following posted company policies/procedures, on what grounds can you be disciplined and/or terminated?
 
Conversely, what do you think will happen if you throw out your shoulder doing something they've expressly instructed you not to do? 

 

[Jester]

 
Remind us: If you are explicitly following posted company policies/procedures, on what grounds can you be disciplined and/or terminated?
 
Conversely, what do you think will happen if you throw out your shoulder doing something they've expressly instructed you not to do? 

 
Discplined because the plane took a delay as one refused to complete the task as instructed by the lead/unit lead/manager.  Usually that's a performance write-up and get enough of those it leads to termination.  Don't like it, then grieve it an hope the union shows enough interest to fight for your job... I wouldn't assume they care enough beyond some token representation.  Why take the chance?
 
If I am injured then I have a simple explanation, "Management encourages the practice of scanning and tossing out bags by one person in the bin, because the flights are inadequately staffed and not a single person has EVER been written-up for doing it that way, and everyone knows that is how the job has been done."  You think that's going to get rejected for a worker's comp claim when the Company knows it is happening, encourages it happening, and never written-up or even warned a single person for that practice?  Clearly a precendence has been set for many years, and that's the way the Company likes it.  I will take my chances in a workers comp hearing with an attorney versus the IAM representing me in a job termination.

 

[700UW]

Copout and coward, and Workers' comp doesn't determine if you get a job back or not if your fired.

 

[Harry Callahan]

700 & I have had disagreements in the past, but he's correct on the working safe. People need to grow a pair & quit being your own worst enemy.

Harry

 

[Hope777]

Coward, in my 20 years no one has ever been terminated for working by the companies' rules, regulations and policies. Grow a set. During our 30 day cooling off period in 92 and 99 we worked exactly by the book and no one was disciplined nor terminated.

Coward???  I think not,just someone trying to pay the bills for his family.  Maybe in MTC,Stock Clerk,Utility or where ever you worked in those years,you had the IAM Support.  The Ramp, Gets NOTHING from the IAM, no support,no Help!  Since I left in June of 2012,I have asked our Rep and our Local for some information and in 18 months all I have gotten is the same response, I get back to you.  Still NOTHING !  

 

[700UW]

Funny I was around this summer and fleet reps were all over the place and even held meetings just for fleet.

And funny I have seen plenty of support for fleet.