New TWU president talks tough against DOJ lawsuit, American Airlines layoffs, industry outsourcing

[Overspeed]

Of course he cant, he claims that all of the job loss at AA was due to downsizing of the fleet while all the job losses elsewhere was due to outsourcing and not downsizing of the industry. The fact is it was a combination of both at all carriers with the exception of SWa, Jet Blue and a few other non-legacy carriers. The fact is that AA continued to outsource as they laid off workers.

SWA has has steady headcount growth, with no layoffs ever, not prior to the IBT, not with the IBT and not with AMFA and he finds that contemptable, he feels that the workers of SWA should have been willing to slash their pay and benefits so they could hire more dues payers because as far as he is concerned maximizing the number of dues payer is more important than at least securing Market Rate pay and working condistions. The members exist to serve and enrich the Union elite instead of the Union existing to serve the members. He talks about Delles lump sum pension which is less than 2.5 years of Littles pay and a fraction of the pension that Little will likely collect. He is desperate to keep his position. One thing is certain, he doesnt have to work under the conditions he promotes.

There is one point that he has no credible counter to, and that is that any AA mechanic would be willing to trade places with a SWA mechanic but I doubt anyone could find a single mechanic at SWA who would trade places with an AA mechanic.That pretty much says it all.

Hey Overspeed whatever happened to the TWU drive at SWA? How many cards did you end up with, odds are the one card you did get was forged.

I did give a breakdown earlier in the thread.

"When the union struck in August, its Northwest membership had dropped to 4,400 workers, down from 9,000, as a result of steep cutbacks by the airline."


"Northwest brought in temporary workers, whom it had trained, and relied on managers to do the mechanics' work when the strike began. It has since said that all of the strikers have been replaced by 880 mechanics, as well as workers from outside contractors."
"Out of those 880 workers, about 280 are strikers who crossed their union's picket lines, and another 200 are union members who had been laid off before the strike, according to the airline."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-12-31/business/0512310063_1_amfa-northwest-mechanics-aircraft-mechanics-fraternal-association

"The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) won 63.5% of the vote, defeating the International Association of Machinists (IAM), both unions said Monday. A total of 8,239 votes cast over several days were tallied by the National Mediation Board. About 4,900 mechanics didn't vote."

"United becomes the largest of eight airlines whose mechanics have chosen the an independent craft union over traditional unions belonging to the AFL-CIO. AMFA now represents 20,000 aircraft mechanics at Alaska, ATA, Northwest, Southwest, United and three regional airlines."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2003-07-15-united_x.htm

And now AMFA just represents the M&R at SWA and AS which totals around 3,500. Note the article states that AMFA at one time represented AS, ATA, NWA, SWA, UA, and three regionals. Well? What happened brother? Where did they go? AMFA represented 9,000 alone at NWA according to the articles cited above.

And about your point regarding any AMT that would swap to work at SWA? DUH! We pretty much all would but then you are missing the most important point I made about scope. SWA and AA have about the same size fleet yet AMFA has about 2,000 where we have about 8,000. Under the AMFA scope language a huge number of AMTs would no longer be working even if they could swap. So if you think bringing in AMFA at AA will make things just like SWA then you only need to look at those over 15,000 who had their jobs lost due to poor representation and outsourcing.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Turn the mirror on your own union. If it doesn't shatter, tell me what you really see.

BEST LINE EVER!!!

Just Google the articles yourself. Over 9,000 at NWA down to 880, AMFA got then lost all UA members to the IBT for another 7,000, and AS for another 350. The math adds up BROTHER .

Notice whenever a TWU stooge is trying to sell a lie they always call you BROTHER?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

And now AMFA just represents the M&R at SWA and AS which totals around 3,500. Note the article states that AMFA at one time represented AS, ATA, NWA, SWA, UA, and three regionals. Well? What happened BROTHER? Where did they go?

They can't help themselves.

He actually posted this while I was posting. The time stamp tells me he is in PACIFIC TIME ZONE.

That puts this fool in one of 5 states. CA, NV, OR, WA, or Northern ID.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Just to be clear...those other legacy airlines cut mtc in bk which is where AA is now. You are looking at them 6 or more years post bk while looking at AA while in BK. Maybe AA will be different but you can't make that call now.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I did give a breakdown earlier in the thread.

"When the union struck in August, its Northwest membership had dropped to 4,400 workers, down from 9,000, as a result of steep cutbacks by the airline."


"Northwest brought in temporary workers, whom it had trained, and relied on managers to do the mechanics' work when the strike began. It has since said that all of the strikers have been replaced by 880 mechanics, as well as workers from outside contractors."
"Out of those 880 workers, about 280 are strikers who crossed their union's picket lines, and another 200 are union members who had been laid off before the strike, according to the airline."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-12-31/business/0512310063_1_amfa-northwest-mechanics-aircraft-mechanics-fraternal-association

"The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) won 63.5% of the vote, defeating the International Association of Machinists (IAM), both unions said Monday. A total of 8,239 votes cast over several days were tallied by the National Mediation Board. About 4,900 mechanics didn't vote."

"United becomes the largest of eight airlines whose mechanics have chosen the an independent craft union over traditional unions belonging to the AFL-CIO. AMFA now represents 20,000 aircraft mechanics at Alaska, ATA, Northwest, Southwest, United and three regional airlines."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2003-07-15-united_x.htm

And now AMFA just represents the M&R at SWA and AS which totals around 3,500. Note the article states that AMFA at one time represented AS, ATA, NWA, SWA, UA, and three regionals. Well? What happened brother? Where did they go? AMFA represented 9,000 alone at NWA according to the articles cited above.

And about your point regarding any AMT that would swap to work at SWA? DUH! We pretty much all would but then you are missing the most important point I made about scope. SWA and AA have about the same size fleet yet AMFA has about 2,000 where we have about 8,000. Under the AMFA scope language a huge number of AMTs would no longer be working even if they could swap. So if you think bringing in AMFA at AA will make things just like SWA then you only need to look at those over 15,000 who had their jobs lost due to poor representation and outsourcing.

ok so you quote one article that says that more than half the headcount drop was due to capacity reduction . So you proved your assertions wrong there. Then you post a magazine ar yicle that said thry had 20000 members. If that's your proof then you are in trouble because the TWU puts out that they have 200000 members. The DOL reports say different.
Never said one way or the other how we would fare under AMFA but I do enjoy debunking the lies and distortions you put out in defense of the indefensible performance of the TWU and their appointed stooges in representing mechanics, especially the line mechanics, at AA. Bottom line is AA management gets whatever they want.

You never answered the question on the TWU drive at SWA.

 

[TWU informer]

I did give a breakdown earlier in the thread.

"When the union struck in August, its Northwest membership had dropped to 4,400 workers, down from 9,000, as a result of steep cutbacks by the airline."


"Northwest brought in temporary workers, whom it had trained, and relied on managers to do the mechanics' work when the strike began. It has since said that all of the strikers have been replaced by 880 mechanics, as well as workers from outside contractors."
"Out of those 880 workers, about 280 are strikers who crossed their union's picket lines, and another 200 are union members who had been laid off before the strike, according to the airline."
http://articles.chic...nal-association

"The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) won 63.5% of the vote, defeating the International Association of Machinists (IAM), both unions said Monday. A total of 8,239 votes cast over several days were tallied by the National Mediation Board. About 4,900 mechanics didn't vote."

"United becomes the largest of eight airlines whose mechanics have chosen the an independent craft union over traditional unions belonging to the AFL-CIO. AMFA now represents 20,000 aircraft mechanics at Alaska, ATA, Northwest, Southwest, United and three regional airlines."

http://usatoday30.us...15-united_x.htm

And now AMFA just represents the M&R at SWA and AS which totals around 3,500. Note the article states that AMFA at one time represented AS, ATA, NWA, SWA, UA, and three regionals. Well? What happened brother? Where did they go? AMFA represented 9,000 alone at NWA according to the articles cited above.

And about your point regarding any AMT that would swap to work at SWA? DUH! We pretty much all would but then you are missing the most important point I made about scope. SWA and AA have about the same size fleet yet AMFA has about 2,000 where we have about 8,000. Under the AMFA scope language a huge number of AMTs would no longer be working even if they could swap. So if you think bringing in AMFA at AA will make things just like SWA then you only need to look at those over 15,000 who had their jobs lost due to poor representation and outsourcing.

Nice, you prove yourself a liar.
Your initial claim was AMFA lost over 80% membership to "OUTSOURCING"

Everything you just posted proves that you are nothing more than a common liar.

 

[swamt]

Nice, you prove yourself a liar.
Your initial claim was AMFA lost over 80% membership to "OUTSOURCING"

Everything you just posted proves that you are nothing more than a common liar.

That's why I tell him to keep posting. He's doing a fine job all by himself. It's great to sit back and watch. He has also failed to mention that the membership at NWA voted to strike, knowing the risks involved included them losing their jobs as well, to take a stand against the company wanting to rid of over 53% of the membership. Now that's unionism as a whole. The men and women at NWA showed what true unionism is instead of the IGM attitudes. They stood for the betterment of all mechanics in the industry. Not rolling over like the TWU has been doing and still does for the past several decades. He also never mentions the 2003 massive concessions and rif's that the TWU "agreed" to and helped the company sell it to the membership and it was done while not in BK. Explain that one Overspeed!! Also notice he has not answered the questions I put to him. He always ducks and hides OR lies thru his teeth when he has nothing or gets caught at his little game of lies and false statements. And let's all remember, this is a TWU international person posting and saying all this crap, and reflects on the representation at AA by the TWU, let him keep posting...

 

[Overspeed]

ok so you quote one article that says that more than half the headcount drop was due to capacity reduction . So you proved your assertions wrong there. Then you post a magazine ar yicle that said thry had 20000 members. If that's your proof then you are in trouble because the TWU puts out that they have 200000 members. The DOL reports say different.
Never said one way or the other how we would fare under AMFA but I do enjoy debunking the lies and distortions you put out in defense of the indefensible performance of the TWU and their appointed stooges in representing mechanics, especially the line mechanics, at AA. Bottom line is AA management gets whatever they want.

You never answered the question on the TWU drive at SWA.

The DOL reports total membership. Since AMFA's total membership is all M&R then we must assume that they all are M&R. The TWU reports all members in all divisions so they report everyone in all classifications.

You again failed to read the articles and think. Where did all the AS OAK overhaul base jobs go? Outsourcing. Where did all the remaining 4,500 NWA jobs go? Outsourcing. Where did all but three lines worth of airframe overhaul go? Outsourcing?

So far the only thing AMFA has brought up as bringing in new work is one line at SWA after they added over 300 aircraft to their fleet. Is that what we can expect at AA? Will that happen before or after they represent us like they did at AS or NWA and give up all our overhaul capacity?

 

[Vortilon]

Overspeed why do you feel the need to defend the indefensible on this BB? You know, once Tulsa's days of out voting the line are over - AMFA will win. It has never been a problem getting line AMTs to sign AMFA authorization cards.

Bottom line, as evidenced by a number of AMTs signing IBT cards as well as AMFA cards - AMTs want just about anybody - as long as it isn't the TWU!

 

[Overspeed]

Overspeed why do you feel the need to defend the indefensible on this BB? You know, once Tulsa's days of out voting the line are over - AMFA will win. It has never been a problem getting line AMTs to sign AMFA authorization cards.

Bottom line, as evidenced by a number of AMTs signing IBT cards as well as AMFA cards - AMTs want just about anybody - as long as it isn't the TWU!

Why do you support an association that is an obvious failure on this BB? Do you want to work in a facility that was once represented by AMFA and is now being filled by non-union low wage AMTs? AAR is hiring at one of the former NWA facilities.

http://www.aarcorp.com/news/AAR_Air_Canada_092613.htm

 

[Rogallo]

Why do you support an association that is an obvious failure on this BB? Do you want to work in a facility that was once represented by AMFA and is now being filled by non-union low wage AMTs? AAR is hiring at one of the former NWA facilities.

You've got to stop posting dude. I laugh so hard at your every post.

an obvious failure, I think of the TWU. Worst pay and benefits in the industry, and it costs me $700/yr

 

[Overspeed]

You've got to stop posting dude. I laugh so hard at your every post.

an obvious failure, I think of the TWU. Worst pay and benefits in the industry, and it costs me $700/yr

AMFA's slogan should be, "Sign a card TUL and enjoy your government cheese when you lose your job."

 

[swamt]

AMFA's slogan should be, "Sign a card TUL and enjoy your government cheese when you lose your job."

You forgot to add "the rest of the story" Allow me to help you out. "Sign a card TUL and enjoy your government cheese when you lose your job because your representational union, TWU, agreed to the job loses and rif's and helped the company "sell" it to the members, not only in 2003 outside of BK, but yet again in 2012 while in BK and WILL continue outside of BK." There, now you have "the rest of the story." Keep posting Overspeed, please keep posting. You are doing such a great job. We are all quite sure the international TWU puppets are so proud... LOL...You just gotta love this stuff. BTW; you still have not answered my questions previously posted. Avoid, avoid and avoid, typical of you when you have been made. Later D-A...

 

[Overspeed]

You forgot to add "the rest of the story" Allow me to help you out. "Sign a card TUL and enjoy your government cheese when you lose your job because your representational union, TWU, agreed to the job loses and rif's and helped the company "sell" it to the members, not only in 2003 outside of BK, but yet again in 2012 while in BK and WILL continue outside of BK." There, now you have "the rest of the story." Keep posting Overspeed, please keep posting. You are doing such a great job. We are all quite sure the international TWU puppets are so proud... LOL...You just gotta love this stuff. BTW; you still have not answered my questions previously posted. Avoid, avoid and avoid, typical of you when you have been made. Later D-A...

Explain where all the jobs went at NWA? Outsourced on AMFA's watch. Where did all the overhaul jobs at the AS OAK base go? Outsourced on AMFA's watch.

Gotta love this stuff. Happy posting.

 

[TWU informer]

AMFA's slogan should be, "Sign a card TUL and enjoy your government cheese when you lose your job."

Explain where all the jobs went at NWA? Outsourced on AMFA's watch. Where did all the overhaul jobs at the AS OAK base go? Outsourced on AMFA's watch.

Gotta love this stuff. Happy posting.

I think I have finally figured out your raving ignorance and irradict behavior. You finally have realized that with no job security clause, weak scope language, and new aircraft or order that TUL is going to be decimated soon. Instead of accepting that fact, you are going on an ANTI-AMFA tangent so you can live in denial about what is about to take place to TWU/AA members in overhaul. Face it, overspeed, what is about to happen to the TWU membership, is no different than what has happened in the rest of the industry. The only difference is your ability to give concessions to save jobs has now ended because their is little to give up. The TWU already gave everything away, nothing left management really needs or wants now.