New TWU president talks tough against DOJ lawsuit, American Airlines layoffs, industry outsourcing

[Thomas Paine]

You are comparing an airline that is shrinking to one that is growing. Apples to oranges because it is not black and white and your question lacks the full context needed to answer it.

What is Black and White and indisputable is we do the same exact job with the same liabilities and qualifications and get paid a LOT LESS MONEY than not only SWA but also carriers that went through BK and/or have no union. Base pay alone is in the tens of thousands of dollars less than SWA. Even USAIR is better compensated than we are. All the rest is just semantics that you throw out to divert attention away from what is simple and easy to see.

 

[Overspeed]

What is Black and White and indisputable is we do the same exact job with the same liabilities and qualifications and get paid a LOT LESS MONEY than not only SWA but also carriers that went through BK and/or have no union. Base pay alone is in the tens of thousands of dollars less than SWA. Even USAIR is better compensated than we are. All the rest is just semantics that you throw out to divert attention away from what is simple and easy to see.

Here's a diversion. Why did you pick Thomas Paine as your nom de plume? Are you hoping to end up like him? Ridiculing our first US President, God, and being so despised hardly anyone came to his funeral.

From one obituary notice, "He had lived long, did some good and much harm."

On second thought, your choice of nom de plume is very fitting.

 

[swamt]

Here's a diversion. Why did you pick Thomas Paine as your nom de plume? Are you hoping to end up like him? Ridiculing our first US President, God, and being so despised hardly anyone came to his funeral.

From one obituary notice, "He had lived long, did some good and much harm."

On second thought, your choice of nom de plume is very fitting.

So you come on here at 10:33pm, read thru all the post addressing you and decide to post the above post by you?

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING ALL MY QUESTIONS PRESENTED TO YOU!! WHY IS THAT OVERSPEED??
And you completely avoided my other post proving you wrong, that SWA also shrank fleet size just as all the other airlines did, including yours. Here it is again:

Your actually wrong again. We too shrank our fleet after 9-11, we too canceled A/C orders by large numbers, extended some orders until 2017-2018, put off options and continued to shrink the fleet. So your wrong again that SWA did not shrink and reduce fleet size. Matter fact while this shrinkage was going on SWA also decided to excellerate the 737 retirements by double what they were doing before. NOW WHAT WILL YOUR EXCUSE BE??? You say you added jobs----Bull ####!!! Mechanics were recalled after furloughs and lay-offs, that's not adding jobs OR headcount, the company is simply regaining back to what they once has, not adding jobs, are you for real??? Yes SWA is growing now, but we shrank just like all the airlines shrank but SWA didn't furlough, cut pay, or even displace ONE SINGLE EMPLOYEE!!! I will take that over your stupid and proud numbers ratio t you keep displaying how proud you are of it. YES you are still dodging and it is very evident. And your last sentence above is a complete back pedal, deflect or dodge as you wish to call it, from answering the questions------SPEAKS VOLUMES... Carry on.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I PRESENTED TO YOU. You are avoiding because you have NOTHING. It will kill your image to post the answers to all my questions as you know the TWU has in fact loss a very large number of jobs and headcount for the last 3 decades, as the TWU will always continue to agree with the company (AA) for all the concessions they want. You are looking very pathetic as does the TWU. Won't be long and the TWU will be gone. Keep posting.

 

[Overspeed]

So you come on here at 10:33pm, read thru all the post addressing you and decide to post the above post by you?

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING ALL MY QUESTIONS PRESENTED TO YOU!! WHY IS THAT OVERSPEED??
And you completely avoided my other post proving you wrong, that SWA also shrank fleet size just as all the other airlines did, including yours. Here it is again:

Your actually wrong again. We too shrank our fleet after 9-11, we too canceled A/C orders by large numbers, extended some orders until 2017-2018, put off options and continued to shrink the fleet. So your wrong again that SWA did not shrink and reduce fleet size. Matter fact while this shrinkage was going on SWA also decided to excellerate the 737 retirements by double what they were doing before. NOW WHAT WILL YOUR EXCUSE BE??? You say you added jobs----Bull ####!!! Mechanics were recalled after furloughs and lay-offs, that's not adding jobs OR headcount, the company is simply regaining back to what they once has, not adding jobs, are you for real??? Yes SWA is growing now, but we shrank just like all the airlines shrank but SWA didn't furlough, cut pay, or even displace ONE SINGLE EMPLOYEE!!! I will take that over your stupid and proud numbers ratio t you keep displaying how proud you are of it. YES you are still dodging and it is very evident. And your last sentence above is a complete back pedal, deflect or dodge as you wish to call it, from answering the questions------SPEAKS VOLUMES... Carry on.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I PRESENTED TO YOU. You are avoiding because you have NOTHING. It will kill your image to post the answers to all my questions as you know the TWU has in fact loss a very large number of jobs and headcount for the last 3 decades, as the TWU will always continue to agree with the company (AA) for all the concessions they want. You are looking very pathetic as does the TWU. Won't be long and the TWU will be gone. Keep posting.

SWA shrunk? Facts state otherwise according to the DOT. http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2012%2012%20Month%20Documents/Aircraft%20and%20Related/Total%20Fleet/Total%20Operating%20Fleet.htm

Slowing retirements and orders drives internal work load up not down. Should have added more AMTs.

I answered your questions many times. We maintained HC in proportion to our fleet and added third party work until management screwed it up. We used to AS 737s for a little while (work that AMFA didn't fight for) but now done by companies like AAR and ATS.

Carrying on sister (somebody said I was lying when I used brother).

 

[1AA]

Fleet count shrunk as well as our headcount, pay, benefits, moral and buying power.

 

[Overspeed]

Fleet count shrunk as well as our headcount, pay, benefits, moral and buying power.

I agree, morals have shrunk as well.

 

[comatose]

I agree, morals have shrunk as well.

Bad company ruins good morals.
1 Corinthians 15:33

 

[Overspeed]

So you come on here at 10:33pm, read thru all the post addressing you and decide to post the above post by you?

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING ALL MY QUESTIONS PRESENTED TO YOU!! WHY IS THAT OVERSPEED??
And you completely avoided my other post proving you wrong, that SWA also shrank fleet size just as all the other airlines did, including yours. Here it is again:

Your actually wrong again. We too shrank our fleet after 9-11, we too canceled A/C orders by large numbers, extended some orders until 2017-2018, put off options and continued to shrink the fleet. So your wrong again that SWA did not shrink and reduce fleet size. Matter fact while this shrinkage was going on SWA also decided to excellerate the 737 retirements by double what they were doing before. NOW WHAT WILL YOUR EXCUSE BE??? You say you added jobs----Bull ####!!! Mechanics were recalled after furloughs and lay-offs, that's not adding jobs OR headcount, the company is simply regaining back to what they once has, not adding jobs, are you for real??? Yes SWA is growing now, but we shrank just like all the airlines shrank but SWA didn't furlough, cut pay, or even displace ONE SINGLE EMPLOYEE!!! I will take that over your stupid and proud numbers ratio t you keep displaying how proud you are of it. YES you are still dodging and it is very evident. And your last sentence above is a complete back pedal, deflect or dodge as you wish to call it, from answering the questions------SPEAKS VOLUMES... Carry on.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I PRESENTED TO YOU. You are avoiding because you have NOTHING. It will kill your image to post the answers to all my questions as you know the TWU has in fact loss a very large number of jobs and headcount for the last 3 decades, as the TWU will always continue to agree with the company (AA) for all the concessions they want. You are looking very pathetic as does the TWU. Won't be long and the TWU will be gone. Keep posting.

And TWU M&R has consistently gone up prior to 2001. Read the facts. AA went from 10,500 in 1995 to a peak of 18,000 by 2002. Only after the downsizing did AA drop heads. US Airways actually did the best mitigating job loss it seems with the IAM. AMFA at NWA though...OUCH! 6000 in 1998 and 1225 by the time they merged with DL. Nice job AMFA! What about UA? Holy cow! 15,000 down to 4,000. First the IAM dropped from 15,000 to 6,000 then AMFA came in and dropped another 1,000 and then the IBT came in took it down another 1,000 to 4,000 M&R. IBT finished the job!

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2012%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/MX/Total%20In-House%20Maintenance%20Employee%20Equivalents.htm

 

[Overspeed]

Bad company ruins good morals.
1 Corinthians 15:33

I agree. We need to stop meeting up.

 

[lineguy43]

And TWU M&R has consistently gone up prior to 2001. Read the facts. AA went from 10,500 in 1995 to a peak of 18,000 by 2002. Only after the downsizing did AA drop heads. US Airways actually did the best mitigating job loss it seems with the IAM. AMFA at NWA though...OUCH! 6000 in 1998 and 1225 by the time they merged with DL. Nice job AMFA! What about UA? Holy cow! 15,000 down to 4,000. First the IAM dropped from 15,000 to 6,000 then AMFA came in and dropped another 1,000 and then the IBT came in took it down another 1,000 to 4,000 M&R. IBT finished the job!

http://web.mit.edu/a...Equivalents.htm

Yep those TWU jobs where AMT's make Burger King wages so that they can keep OH jobs which are going away anyway. Then the remainder will make poverty wages after OH goes away which it will. Yeah you just keep hanging on to that dream. FOOL

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Ok we get it, AA employs more mechanics than any other carrier, but at much lower rates of pay. Guess your goal is to make this list: http://en.wikipedia....rgest_employers note that none of those employers are Union, and they all pay crap and sell the same line that you do that working for less is good for you and you should be happy and willing to do so so they can hire more people. Sorry we don't need to pay $700 a year for that, we can get that with no union, speaking of which Delta, Fed Ex and Jet Blue (combined) have more A&P mechanics working for them than AA does, and they pay them better than AA does. fact is that AA did get everything they wanted, they got it in 2003 without filing for BK and came back for more than they ever thought possible in 2012, and Don Videtich delivered both times and many times in between ,,,JLT, PLI, etc etc. No FAR Shops don't need to Hire A&Ps, but they prefer them. Lets face it, A&Ps were willing to sell themselves cheap to MROs in the hopes that they could get the experience they needed to get into the airlines, or to hold them over till they were recalled to an airline. People who are mechanically inclined are even more likely to skip out or not even take those jobs because they don't look at it as a means to something better, they see it for the shitty job it is and move on to other industries. All those FBOs are hiring and they all complain they cant get people. If the FBOs (and Military) were the places where guys got the experience they needed and they cant get people that means problems for the airlines down the road. We didn't save jobs, in fact AA has hired over 100 mechanics off the street since they filed for C-11, over 500 since we gave concessions in 2003. what we have done is turn our job into one of the jobs people take to get the experience they need to get a good job somewhere else. We have already become the source of experienced mechanics not only for SWA but even Non-union outfits like Jet-Blue and Fed -Ex. You say its either-or. The fact is we don't even make UA or Delta wages let alone SWA wages. You say that SWA traded away wages in exchange for outsourcing but cant provide one iota of proof, the fact is that SWA did not increase outsourcing, they maintained it, the only change is that they now allow the company to outsource it overseas, on a limited basis, whereas we allow the same thing without the same limits.

I see a lot of Commie Red in that list.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

SWA shrunk? Facts state otherwise according to the DOT. http://web.mit.edu/a...ating Fleet.htm

Slowing retirements and orders drives internal work load up not down. Should have added more AMTs.

I answered your questions many times. We maintained HC in proportion to our fleet and added third party work until management screwed it up. We used to AS 737s for a little while (work that AMFA didn't fight for) but now done by companies like AAR and ATS.

Carrying on sister (somebody said I was lying when I used brother).

Whenever a UNION official calls me 'Brother" it is usually preceded by "They can do that".

Abel was once called "Brother" as well. We all know what happened to him.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Here's a diversion. Why did you pick Thomas Paine as your nom de plume? Are you hoping to end up like him? Ridiculing our first US President, God, and being so despised hardly anyone came to his funeral.

From one obituary notice, "He had lived long, did some good and much harm."

On second thought, your choice of nom de plume is very fitting.

Why did you pick Overspeed, something that's always bad, should be avoided and usually destructive?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

He named himself after his mouth obviously.

And you're right it's always bad, should be avoided, and is usually destructive.

ZING!!!

 

[Overspeed]

Why did you pick Overspeed, something that's always bad, should be avoided and usually destructive?

Nah. I called tech and I'm within limits. You know tech where they listened and voted yes in 2010 and are the highest paid techs in the industry even after BK. They are TWU FYI