New TWU president talks tough against DOJ lawsuit, American Airlines layoffs, industry outsourcing

[Overspeed]

And how many mechanics have lost their jobs at AA? And how many have lost their jobs at SWA? Compute that Overspeed. You continue to make mute points about SWA/AMFA. Yea, the founder of AMFA received a 500K retirement bonus, so what? How much has the founders of your beloved TWU received over the years? How about the ibt founder and follower? How about the IAM founder?? They all made out with a freakin a lot more than Dell received as a one time bonus at retirement. Your TWU representation has been reduced from 18,000 to approx. 8-10,000 that's more than 65%. With the up coming headcount reduction starting in 2014 and continuing into 2017 it will be more like 70-80% from the all time high. Now all these reductions in headcount at AA have all been agreed upon by your faithful TWU representation for the last 3 decades, without loosing them to another union that was just voted in, OR, by a strike that the members voted on to stop the company from reducing the headcount by over 53% (NWA). What has the TWU done to stop the headcount reductions at AA?? Nothing, absolutely nothing. For the last 3 decades the TWU has continued to agree and agree to job losses upon job losses. You are scared to death what AMFA will do for the membership at AA. You are scared to death for an AMFA election at AA. You know what will happen thru-out the airline industry if AMFA gets in at AA. YOU are the only one out here posting so much and hard against AMFA trying to save face for the TWU once a vote comes to the mechanics at AA. You post such unrealistic stories about AMFA that NO-ONE believes you any longer, NO-ONE. You have lost any and all credibility amongst anyone out here. You have even lost some of your old supporters from early on, remember them Overspeed??? Do you see them out here any more??? NO, you do not. Move on Overspeed; The TWU is done at AA one way or another. BTW- Keep posting...

You still don't get it. AA HC went down due to fleet reduction not counting the BK.

Southwest has been growing so why would they layoff?

Am I scared of AMFA? Yes. Scared about them "representing" AA M&R as well as all those at NWA, UA, and AS who lost their jobs directly to outsourcing. AMFA had their behind handed to them at each of those airlines and now 80% of their members are gone.

 

[TWU informer]

You still don't get it. AA HC went down due to fleet reduction not counting the BK.

Southwest has been growing so why would they layoff?

Am I scared of AMFA? Yes. Scared about them "representing" AA M&R as well as all those at NWA, UA, and AS who lost their jobs directly to outsourcing. AMFA had their behind handed to them at each of those airlines and now 80% of their members are gone.

Why do you always reference a union as "they" or "them"? Are not the members suppose to be the "union"? Who is they or them anyway? Not all Unions are like the TWU, where "they" or "them" are the unelected leaders that make top down decisions for the membership.

 

[Overspeed]

Why do you always reference a union as "they" or "them"? Are not the members suppose to be the "union"? Who is they or them anyway? Not all Unions are like the TWU, where "they" or "them" are the unelected leaders that make top down decisions for the membership.

I am TWU so AMFA is "they" and "them"

 

[Overspeed]

Pretty sad that this is your ONLY issue for accountability with AMFA. AMFA is the most accountability mechanics union out there period. The accountability of your current union is completely laughable. Keep posting, your doing great...

Uh profiting at the expense of the membership was one of the major charges of AMFA supporters. I turned the mirror of accountability on AMFA and its leader Delle and pointed out that under his tenure the organization lost over 80% of its membership to outsourcing.

Losing your job while the person responsible for leading you off the cliff while he is counting his $500K is not laughable.

 

[TWU informer]

Uh profiting at the expense of the membership was one of the major charges of AMFA supporters. I turned the mirror of accountability on AMFA and its leader Delle and pointed out that under his tenure the organization lost over 80% of its membership to outsourcing.

Losing your job while the person responsible for leading you off the cliff while he is counting his $500K is not laughable.

Can you give me a break down airline by airline, of 80% jobs lost to outsourcing? Because I think your math is wrong and that statement is in fact another big LIE.

 

[exs]

Uh profiting at the expense of the membership was one of the major charges of AMFA supporters. I turned the mirror of accountability on AMFA and its leader Delle and pointed out that under his tenure the organization lost over 80% of its membership to outsourcing.

Losing your job while the person responsible for leading you off the cliff while he is counting his $500K is not laughable.

And WTF has the TWU done for us for the last 12 years? Lead us to worst contracts in the industry while Little and his gang of idiots have made millions in salary and benefits. Nice try!! When are you going stop defending this worthless union?

 

[TWU informer]

Uh profiting at the expense of the membership was one of the major charges of AMFA supporters. I turned the mirror of accountability on AMFA and its leader Delle and pointed out that under his tenure the organization lost over 80% of its membership to outsourcing.

Losing your job while the person responsible for leading you off the cliff while he is counting his $500K is not laughable.

When AMFA filed for a representational election at AA in 2003....

... the TWU and AA successful argued that the M&R group was just over 18,000 in membership. Today it is below 10,000 and will soon drop to well below 8,000. And we gave away the farm to save those 10,000 jobs that are now gone anyway. Turn the mirror on your own union. If it doesn't shatter, tell me what you really see.

 

[Flying low]

Losing your job while the person responsible for leading you off the cliff while he is counting his $500K is not laughable.

Isn't that what Little was doing to us?

 

[Overspeed]

When AMFA filed for a representational election at AA in 2003....

... the TWU and AA successful argued that the M&R group was just over 18,000 in membership. Today it is below 10,000 and will soon drop to well below 8,000. And we gave away the farm to save those 10,000 jobs that are now gone anyway. Turn the mirror on your own union. If it doesn't shatter, tell me what you really see.

Again, the drop in membership up to the most recent agreement was directly related to fleet reduction (that means less aircraft to work on) at AA. Only the recent reduction related to the 1113c CBA was a result of outsourcing.

At AS over 350 M&R lost their jobs due to outsourcing even though AS was not in BK and had a contract with AMFA. At UA the outsourcing continued and grew under both AMFA and then the IBT when the UA members got tired of AMFA's misrepresentation and failure to deliver on their pre-certification promises. NWA lost all but 880 job due to outsourcing while under AMFA's killer representation.

Just Google the articles yourself. Over 9,000 at NWA down to 880, AMFA got then lost all UA members to the IBT for another 7,000, and AS for another 350. The math adds up brother. Only the most recent 2,000 jobs RIF'd at AA were due to outsourcing.

Yep, AMFA sucks at protecting jobs.

 

[Overspeed]

And WTF has the TWU done for us for the last 12 years? Lead us to worst contracts in the industry while Little and his gang of idiots have made millions in salary and benefits. Nice try!! When are you going stop defending this worthless union?

I suppose we could have gone one of the AMFA plans where you get your butt handed to you in BK like NWA, rollover for management and blame the previous union like at AS, or dither away while Greg Hall outsources almost all airframe overhaul jobs like at UA.

And the great thing is that if we are lucky we will be like one out of the all those airlines (UA) and get $38 after nine years of getting less than $34/hour plus not getting all that pension credit.

As I said, AMFA sucks.

 

[Thomas Paine]

You forgot about Delle getting a $500K pension payment that no one else will ever get at AMFA. He got that after doing such a great job protecting all those NWA jobs, AS jobs, and losing UA to the IBT. Over 15,000 members or more than 80% of their membership and Delle gets the golden handshake.

That a fraction of what we paid Little over the years, and in return we got the worst working conditions in the industry.

 

[comatose]

Again, the drop in membership up to the most recent agreement was directly related to fleet reduction (that means less aircraft to work on) at AA. Only the recent reduction related to the 1113c CBA was a result of outsourcing.

At AS over 350 M&R lost their jobs due to outsourcing even though AS was not in BK and had a contract with AMFA. At UA the outsourcing continued and grew under both AMFA and then the IBT when the UA members got tired of AMFA's misrepresentation and failure to deliver on their pre-certification promises. NWA lost all but 880 job due to outsourcing while under AMFA's killer representation.

Just Google the articles yourself. Over 9,000 at NWA down to 880, AMFA got then lost all UA members to the IBT for another 7,000, and AS for another 350. The math adds up brother. Only the most recent 2,000 jobs RIF'd at AA were due to outsourcing.

Yep, AMFA sucks at protecting jobs.

You're right about working on less planes.
A319 OH never started and never will
A321 OH never started and never will.
787 OH never started and never will
You have screwed thousands of AA AMT's.

 

[Thomas Paine]

You don't listen. There are no engine overhaul, no landing gear overhaul, the majority of components, and most of the airframe overhaul is outsourced. Again, AA outsources the equivalent of 150 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul and SWA outsources about 400 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul, component overhaul, and all engine overhaul.

You are comparing apples to oranges. SWA never had overhaul and AA always did. If you want to get to where SWA AMTs are on pay you have to close that gap. What is your solution to resolving the issue of over 5,000 TWU M&R that are currently working those overhaul jobs that SWA has very little of? Do we let AA outsource all that work? AA would love that.

You are the one who keeps bringing up SWA. They never had that work, you are claiming they lost work they never had. The fact is that SWA never laid off any mechanics and the mechanics there focused on job quality not quantity. AA would not love to outsource that work, they have the best deal any carrier could ask for by keeping it in house while the line guys have the very worst deal in the industry. Maybe the OH guys should negotiate their own contract based upon the market they feel they are in and let the line guys negotiate based upon the market they are in. You seem to think that its OK for Tulsa to be paid above market rates at the expense of paying the line much much less than market rate. Is it true that in negotiations Tulsa said that they would only accept the deal so long as the line didn't get one penny more than Tulsa? If Tulsa is going to use the low pay rates at MROs to justify driving line pay way below market rates are the line guys the ones who are being selfish for resenting the fact that their below market rates are in place to maintain Tulsa's gap above market rates?

 

[Thomas Paine]

I am TWU INTERNATIONAL so AMFA and the membership is "they" and "them"

Just helping you out.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Can you give me a break down airline by airline, of 80% jobs lost to outsourcing? Because I think your math is wrong and that statement is in fact another big LIE.

Of course he cant, he claims that all of the job loss at AA was due to downsizing of the fleet while all the job losses elsewhere was due to outsourcing and not downsizing of the industry. The fact is it was a combination of both at all carriers with the exception of SWa, Jet Blue and a few other non-legacy carriers. The fact is that AA continued to outsource as they laid off workers.

SWA has has steady headcount growth, with no layoffs ever, not prior to the IBT, not with the IBT and not with AMFA and he finds that contemptable, he feels that the workers of SWA should have been willing to slash their pay and benefits so they could hire more dues payers because as far as he is concerned maximizing the number of dues payer is more important than at least securing Market Rate pay and working condistions. The members exist to serve and enrich the Union elite instead of the Union existing to serve the members. He talks about Delles lump sum pension which is less than 2.5 years of Littles pay and a fraction of the pension that Little will likely collect. He is desperate to keep his position. One thing is certain, he doesnt have to work under the conditions he promotes.

There is one point that he has no credible counter to, and that is that any AA mechanic would be willing to trade places with a SWA mechanic but I doubt anyone could find a single mechanic at SWA who would trade places with an AA mechanic.That pretty much says it all.

Hey Overspeed whatever happened to the TWU drive at SWA? How many cards did you end up with, odds are the one card you did get was forged.