Mr. Parker Delta plus 7

[dfw gen]

That's interesting. See how this plays out. Pressure has to be building to start PUBLICLY NEGOTIATIONS instead of the back door meetings with the international.

Hey Lombardo and soto start negotiating now and stop the wizard behind the curtains crap

 

[Buck]

even with WN having 4 lines of overhaul in house you guys do a hell of a lot more total work in-house than WN does. Engines and components make up the difference.   

Possibly, now explain why for the last 30 years WN mechanics have consistently been compensated at a higher rate?
 
Perhaps you also forgot that we have mechanics here that perform work without a license premium, in every area until recently even aircraft in the dock?
 
We also have mechanics in some of those areas that only receive one license. 

 

[1AA]

Every time there is money out there to be offered the TWU seems to be third in line and gets the scraps. Delta can offer what they want, Parker can offer what he wants. The TWU always finds a way to screw the membership. All this sounds good but we are still nowhere close to anything representing a proposal from either side. Once a month meeting of the association is a joke. What happens after October? They all recess for the holidays. Like I said before, the dues machine is flowing. What's the rush?

 

[Buck]

Every time there is money out there to be offered the TWU seems to be third in line and gets the scraps. Delta can offer what they want, Parker can offer what he wants. The TWU always finds a way to screw the membership. All this sounds good but we are still nowhere close to anything representing a proposal from either side. Once a month meeting of the association is a joke. What happens after October? They all recess for the holidays. Like I said before, the dues machine is flowing. What's the rush?

Since this may be my last contract, I am willing to give Dale Danker a chance to work these issues out....since I don't have a choice in the matter.

 

[WeAAsles]

Every time there is money out there to be offered the TWU seems to be third in line and gets the scraps. Delta can offer what they want, Parker can offer what he wants. The TWU always finds a way to screw the membership. All this sounds good but we are still nowhere close to anything representing a proposal from either side. Once a month meeting of the association is a joke. What happens after October? They all recess for the holidays. Like I said before, the dues machine is flowing. What's the rush?

Use your head. How does that TWU dues machine work? Yea that's right, if we get those substantial raises then the dues machine gets some new gears and oil to run on. That's one hell of a tune up for the machine.

 

[john john]

APFA MEMBER UPDATE:
 

Some other work groups at American are in Section 6, however, including ground workers represented by TWU/IAM

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[ATD]

Who is Dale Danker?.

 

[Overspeed]

Looks like Glading is taking the "lower your expectations" approach. She says its a move away from profit sharing but that's a distortion. There are two levels of profit sharing if I read the DL letter correctly. 10% up to $2.5B pre-tax and 20% beyond compared to 0% at AA. Past profit sharing plans at AA prior to the BK were based on a variable or sliding formula. The AA 2012 BK plan was 15% pre-tax earnings to all eligible compared to 0% now.
 
Sounds like Glading is in the spin room.

 

[Buck]

Who is Dale Danker?.

Dale Danker is the TWU Local 514 President in Tulsa. 

 

[Buck]

Looks like Glading is taking the "lower your expectations" approach. She says its a move away from profit sharing but that's a distortion. There are two levels of profit sharing if I read the DL letter correctly. 10% up to $2.5B pre-tax and 20% beyond compared to 0% at AA. Past profit sharing plans at AA prior to the BK were based on a variable or sliding formula. The AA 2012 BK plan was 15% pre-tax earnings to all eligible compared to 0% now.
 
Sounds like Glading is in the spin room.

Glading , this is a mechanic right?

 

[topDawg]

Possibly, now explain why for the last 30 years WN mechanics have consistently been compensated at a higher rate?

because they do less work than your airline or my airline does in house. because unlike our airlines who have been burning money for the last 10 to 15 years and BKs and concessions after concessions they have been profitable.(more the second one than the first) 
 
 

Perhaps you also forgot that we have mechanics here that perform work without a license premium, in every area until recently even aircraft in the dock?

welcome to 2015. It sucks but most the MROs you are competing with for work are 100% unlicensed workers. They just have A&Ps (a lot of the time from the airline who is doing the outsourcing) to pencil whip the paper work.
 
We have shops at Delta that are nothing but ASMs(your OSM) (other than the leads). You know what happens to those shops if they are AMT only? They go to a MRO or the OEM. Wheel and brake is a good example, all ASM shop. If they started putting mechanics in there then Goodrich gets another customer and more jobs go out the door at Delta. 
 

We also have mechanics in some of those areas that only receive one license.

every airline that has shops does that. Part of the game, if you want to live the back shop life you have to be willing to (sometimes) only get paid for an A or P. Don't like it hit the hangar floor or the line. 
You guys probably have mechanics that get a line premium too, same deal, if you want the extra 75 cents head out to the line.

 

[Buck]

because they do less work than your airline or my airline does in house. because unlike our airlines who have been burning money for the last 10 to 15 years and BKs and concessions after concessions they have been profitable.(more the second one than the first) 
 
 
welcome to 2015. It sucks but most the MROs you are competing with for work are 100% unlicensed workers. They just have A&Ps (a lot of the time from the airline who is doing the outsourcing) to pencil whip the paper work.
 
We have shops at Delta that are nothing but ASMs(your OSM) (other than the leads). You know what happens to those shops if they are AMT only? They go to a MRO or the OEM. Wheel and brake is a good example, all ASM shop. If they started putting mechanics in there then Goodrich gets another customer and more jobs go out the door at Delta. 
 
every airline that has shops does that. Part of the game, if you want to live the back shop life you have to be willing to (sometimes) only get paid for an A or P. Don't like it hit the hangar floor or the line. 
You guys probably have mechanics that get a line premium too, same deal, if you want the extra 75 cents head out to the line.

What do you believe the overall solution is for the mechanics, in the upcoming contract talks?

 

[Albert]

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john john do you think you guys are close or has the DL anouncement pushed things back

 

[WeAAsles]

Looks like Glading is taking the "lower your expectations" approach. She says its a move away from profit sharing but that's a distortion. There are two levels of profit sharing if I read the DL letter correctly. 10% up to $2.5B pre-tax and 20% beyond compared to 0% at AA. Past profit sharing plans at AA prior to the BK were based on a variable or sliding formula. The AA 2012 BK plan was 15% pre-tax earnings to all eligible compared to 0% now.
 
Sounds like Glading is in the spin room.

If they "equal" the prior years profit they get 10%. Everything above is 20%. So if next year they only make 1Bil then they only get 10%. The following year if they make 5Bil then they get 10% on 1 and 20% on 4.

As I believe I understand it.

 

[Overspeed]

So when the company is on an upward trend an employee gets a higher return? It is still better than 0% at AA it sounds like plus the wage increase and increased 401k contribution.