Mr. Parker Delta plus 7

[WeAAsles]

Come on now, that's all you have to say?  Guess the truth strikes a nerve ehh?  Put out a letter, that will quiet those restless natives and put the company on notice we mean business, right?
 
Same old tired tactic seen dozens and dozens of times.

Ok I'm putting you in charge. Tell me what YOU are going to do and how it will work? What's the strategy for success and should you televise that publicly for all eyes?

If you play chess (I know the response will be checkers, so beat you to it) do you tell your opponent what piece you plan on moving out next so he can counteract your move before you even make it?

 

[bigjets]

They don't seem to be in any hurry. How many times have they met? What happened in those meeting? 
And yes, as I have said before, I believe we will be compensated as promised, but wait until the details of what is expected in return surfaces.

We have nothing to give up, I will say again the APA APFA got paid and didn't give up anything, things did change in their contract because they combined two cultures and two contracts. We gave up just about everything, so whatever we get will be better then what we have.

I'm expecting delta +7, sick, holiday, shift diff, etc etc .......

I see no reason why we won't get it all, unless the association takes from us to give to others.

 

[MetalMover]

We have nothing to give up, I will say again the APA APFA got paid and didn't give up anything, things did change in their contract because they combined two cultures and two contracts. We gave up just about everything, so whatever we get will be better then what we have.

I'm expecting delta +7, sick, holiday, shift diff, etc etc .......

I see no reason why we won't get it all, unless the association takes from us to give to others.

So they are just going to throw us money and not get anything in return?  This I have to see.

 

[WeAAsles]

They don't seem to be in any hurry. How many times have they met? What happened in those meeting? 
And yes, as I have said before, I believe we will be compensated as promised, but wait until the details of what is expected in return surfaces. 

Scheduled events that were planned over a year ago which are mandatory to attend are frustrating to say the least, but it's a part of the structure we need to learn to adapt to I guess? And last month was a Transportation Trades Conference down here in Ft Lauderdale. I'm not sure and maybe someone can clarify but I believe the IAM has one more event scheduled in November for this year so hopefully all of October is open?

 
Day 2 begins at our DL 142 Convention with General Vice President Sito Pantoja!
The day continues with information about our benefits with Union Plus and then follows with our Committee Reports.
Flight Safety, Ground Safety, Education, Legislative and Women’s/Human’s Right Committee Members met and discussed the Committee plans and improvements for the years to come!

http://www.atd142.org/day-2-at-iam-district-lodge-142-convention/
 

DL141 Update, 22 September 2015:
The 66th Convention of District 141 was called to order today in Phoenix, Arizona with one of the largest gathering of Delegates in District 141 history. Among the first orders of business was the Introduction by GLR Rich Johnsen of the new President and Directing General Chair, Michael Klemm.

http://www.iam141.org/

 

[MetalMover]

Scheduled events that were planned over a year ago which are mandatory to attend are frustrating to say the least, but it's a part of the structure we need to learn to adapt to I guess? And last month was a Transportation Trades Conference down here in Ft Lauderdale. I'm not sure and maybe someone can clarify but I believe the IAM has one more event scheduled in November for this year so hopefully all of October is open?

 
Day 2 begins at our DL 142 Convention with General Vice President Sito Pantoja!
The day continues with information about our benefits with Union Plus and then follows with our Committee Reports.
Flight Safety, Ground Safety, Education, Legislative and Women’s/Human’s Right Committee Members met and discussed the Committee plans and improvements for the years to come!

http://www.atd142.org/day-2-at-iam-district-lodge-142-convention/
 
DL141 Update, 22 September 2015:
The 66th Convention of District 141 was called to order today in Phoenix, Arizona with one of the largest gathering of Delegates in District 141 history. Among the first orders of business was the Introduction by GLR Rich Johnsen of the new President and Directing General Chair, Michael Klemm.

http://www.iam141.org/

Then Halloween is coming, they are going to want to be home to hand candy out or take their kids or grandkids trick-or-treating So can't meet the week before or after............Then Thanksgiving is next,,,,Then Christmas, New Year's....

 

[WeAAsles]

Then Halloween is coming, they are going to want to be home to hand candy out or take their kids or grandkids trick-or-treating So can't meet the week before or after............Then Thanksgiving is next,,,,Then Christmas, New Year's....

I'm hoping no one has to leave to hand out candy? Most of those guys I believe are married and their wives should be able to tackle that duty?

 

[Traymark]

Ok I'm putting you in charge. Tell me what YOU are going to do and how it will work? What's the strategy for success and should you televise that publicly for all eyes?
If you play chess (I know the response will be checkers, so beat you to it) do you tell your opponent what piece you plan on moving out next so he can counteract your move before you even make it?

I know this was directed at someone else, but I'd like to play.

First, any convention that was previously scheduled can be missed by anybody on the negotiating committee, because it's more important to get the JCBA than to put another notch in your convention attendance belt.

Second, the first meeting of the two unions would not have been a "meet and greet", it would have been meat and potatoes, they can get to know each other later.From the the very first meeting between the two unions, I would have employed an arbitrator to go down the list of issues there is disagreement and decide which way we will go and both sides would be bound to it. Same thing the FA's did.

There are a couple of pretty big issues they are deciding , crew chief seniority and the Title II issue. I would entertain putting those two issue to a membership vote on which way to go.

The arbitrator could help them decide the rest, but they would have remained engaged in meetings until the two sides reached common ground on all the relevant issues needed to go to the table with.

It's amazing what happens when you sequester a jury, things get done.
This would be no different.
What's that? You like your 6 figure salary and all the trappings from the International? Then you stay engaged until you are ready to get to the table with the company, period.

We have lost thousands because of the union comfort schedule.
The Drummond letter makes it clear, "the union premium" will be very evident.

To me that means Retro pay back to when the pilots got theirs, along with DL+7 after the Dec1 raise and a DL+7 review clause that kicks in automatically if they get a raise that makes ours less than DL +7 , and the clause remains in place until a new contract is ratified.

Drummond talks a decent game, now deliver the goods, we are waiting.

 

[WeAAsles]

I know this was directed at someone else, but I'd like to play.

First, any convention that was previously scheduled can be missed by anybody on the negotiating committee, because it's more important to get the JCBA than to put another notch in your convention attendance belt.

Ok but the IAM is in charge of the Association for the first 2 years and you're TWU. How do you get them to do that?


Second, the first meeting of the two unions would not have been a "meet and greet", it would have been meat and potatoes, they can get to know each other later.From the the very first meeting between the two unions, I would have employed an arbitrator to go down the list of issues there is disagreement and decide which way we will go and both sides would be bound to it. Same thing the FA's did.

Ok but how do you get an Arbitrator to decide between likes? I like this, you like that. Better for a very very very simple coin toss IMO.

There are a couple of pretty big issues they are deciding , crew chief seniority and the Title II issue. I would entertain putting those two issue to a membership vote on which way to go.

And anything put to a vote would more than likely go the way that us always AA people would want it since that's what we're used to. A Union should be about what the majority wants but not everyone agrees with that.

The arbitrator could help them decide the rest, but they would have remained engaged in meetings until the two sides reached common ground on all the relevant issues needed to go to the table with.

It's amazing what happens when you sequester a jury, things get done.
This would be no different.
What's that? You like your 6 figure salary and all the trappings from the International? Then you stay engaged until you are ready to get to the table with the company, period.

There are some people right now (Negotiators) who very much would like to do exactly what you just proposed (But they would have to have some time off to avoid burnout) And I don't know any of our Presidents at least in TWU Fleet who are making a 6 figure salary. As a matter of fact they get the same raises that we would. I bet they would like to get to that money just as much as us. 

We have lost thousands because of the union comfort schedule.
The Drummond letter makes it clear, "the union premium" will be very evident.

And had we rushed we would have been locked in just like the FA's now are. Did you see there update on the issue? Apparently they asked Parker about the raises and they aren't getting any more.

To me that means Retro pay back to when the pilots got theirs, along with DL+7 after the Dec1 raise and a DL+7 review clause that kicks in automatically if they get a raise that makes ours less than DL +7 , and the clause remains in place until a new contract is ratified.

I hope we get retro and I hope we get a review clause as well? Let's see what happens?

Drummond talks a decent game, now deliver the goods, we are waiting.

The company (Parker) holds the wallet. Let's see if he's a man of his word?

 

[topDawg]

What do you believe the overall solution is for the mechanics, in the upcoming contract talks?

three things
understand that this isn't 1960 anymore. You have to compete with MROs. Pick how you want to do it? s**t pay or more realistic work rules and productivity. 
Don't pull a United ramp and sign a turd just because you want quick money. 
Find a way to get your union to suck less. 
 
You are going to have an up hill battle, there is a huge reason why Delta showed your VP the door. You managements way of thinking is, IMO, amazingly stupid. The best thing you guys could do is try to get as much other airline work as possible but your management and your union seem to think its a waste of time. (it isn't, not only does it add to the bottom line but its adds jobs and lowers costs) 
 
But Delta +7 for US's scope is terrible. There is no way in hell I would even entertain the idea with your company making the money they are. Not only would you send a ton of your work (and jobs) out the door but you would also completely screw the rest of the industry over too. 

 

[WeAAsles]

three things
understand that this isn't 1960 anymore. You have to compete with MROs. Pick how you want to do it? s**t pay or more realistic work rules and productivity. 
Don't pull a United ramp and sign a turd just because you want quick money. 
 
Find a way to get your union to suck less.
 
You are going to have an up hill battle, there is a huge reason why Delta showed your VP the door. You managements way of thinking is, IMO, amazingly stupid. The best thing you guys could do is try to get as much other airline work as possible but your management and your union seem to think its a waste of time. (it isn't, not only does it add to the bottom line but its adds jobs and lowers costs) 
 
But Delta +7 for US's scope is terrible. There is no way in hell I would even entertain the idea with your company making the money they are. Not only would you send a ton of your work (and jobs) out the door but you would also completely screw the rest of the industry over too. 

I actually like the way you think the majority of the time.

 

[topDawg]

I actually like the way you think the majority of the time.

I would say replace them 
 
but IIRC that can't be done for two years. 
 
So since that isn't an option, find some reps/negotiators who aren't idiots and try to make the best with what you got.  

 

[WeAAsles]

I would say replace them 
 
but IIRC that can't be done for two years. 
 
So since that isn't an option, find some reps/negotiators who aren't idiots and try to make the best with what you got.  

Dawg I don't care what Union you belong to. People are always going to vote for Mr Popular, the guy who shakes his fist the hardest and the guy who gives them the best Goobly Glop and Gibber Gabble before they ever vote for those who want and might be able to do the job.

Just look at most of the people that we elect into Washington these days. (In BOTH Parties) as a great example.

 

[Albert]

Scheduled events that were planned over a year ago which are mandatory to attend are frustrating to say the least, but it's a part of the structure we need to learn to adapt to I guess? And last month was a Transportation Trades Conference down here in Ft Lauderdale. I'm not sure and maybe someone can clarify but I believe the IAM has one more event scheduled in November for this year so hopefully all of October is open?

 
Day 2 begins at our DL 142 Convention with General Vice President Sito Pantoja!
The day continues with information about our benefits with Union Plus and then follows with our Committee Reports.
Flight Safety, Ground Safety, Education, Legislative and Women’s/Human’s Right Committee Members met and discussed the Committee plans and improvements for the years to come!

http://www.atd142.org/day-2-at-iam-district-lodge-142-convention/
 
DL141 Update, 22 September 2015:
The 66th Convention of District 141 was called to order today in Phoenix, Arizona with one of the largest gathering of Delegates in District 141 history. Among the first orders of business was the Introduction by GLR Rich Johnsen of the new President and Directing General Chair, Michael Klemm.

http://www.iam141.org/

Sounds like minutes from the Raccoon lodge

 

[xUT]

Sounds like minutes from the Raccoon lodge

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=11&v=ATIkuOdDPnA

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok so Roadshow video #2 link Delta Plus 3% now.