Merged Topic- AA Tail Livery New/Old Employees Vote

[Ms Tree]

I like the new design. It stands out and it makes you look and that is the purpose isn.'t?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

When someone is looking to fly from LA to NYC do they look at the tail color or what the aircraft paint scheme is "NO".
 
It's all about service and the PRICE, so are you all so ate up with the color of the aircraft that you over look the fact that
what ever color ends up on the new AA's aircraft the cost of that will be on you.
 
Even if we took all the seats out and put in milk crates & six feet of rope, the cost would determine which company
the paying public would fly.
 
We change the interior, take away blankets, do away with moore room in coach, take away pillows, meals, yet the aircraft is still
full, ISN'T?
 
So why is the paint more important than the money and benefits that have been taken away from you?
 
That is something I don't understand????????

 

[Ms Tree]

Should read up on the purpose and affect of advertising. There have been countless studies on how color, design and other things affect name recognition and sales.

People look at that stuff. Now that I buy tickets instead of nonrev I look at these things. I'm going to Vegas in two months and Ill be flying SWA. more room that Spirit. Fsr cheaper than AA. Free wi-fi. Free drjnks. Free lugage. Friendly staff. Better parking at DAL. Just better all around.

But as I said first. Read up on advertising. They do not get paid as well as they are for nothing.

 

[FWAAA]

Those numbers were run over 20 years ago figuring highly-paid IAM mechanics doing the work.  Today, if they can use day laborers, retrieved by pickup truck each morning from the corner of Spoleto & 8th St, to do the polishing, maybe the bare skin would be cheaper???

Here is a Boeing document on the paint v polish calculations:
 
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_05/textonly/fo01txt.html
 
in 1998 dollars, polishing was slightly more expensive than paint due to the higher labor costs of constantly polishing the bare skin.   Of course, fuel in 1998 and 1999 cost AMR an average of $0.55/gal, so the fuel burn penalty of paint (for airlines that painted) was minimal.   Today, with $3/gal jetA plus bankruptcy-lowered wages for the labor to polish, polishing might be the cheaper alternative.   Especially if day laborers from the local Home Depot are recruited.    

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Here is a Boeing document on the paint v polish calculations:
 
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_05/textonly/fo01txt.html
 
in 1998 dollars, polishing was slightly more expensive than paint due to the higher labor costs of constantly polishing the bare skin.   Of course, fuel in 1998 and 1999 cost AMR an average of $0.55/gal, so the fuel burn penalty of paint (for airlines that painted) was minimal.   Today, with $3/gal jetA plus bankruptcy-lowered wages for the labor to polish, polishing might be the cheaper alternative.   Especially if day laborers from the local Home Depot are recruited.

What's up with the day laborer comment FWAAA?

I m sure they could find some Somali immigrants ala DL MSP cleaners. (Tounge firmly in cheek here)

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Let's just ask WT...This way he can tell us how great Delta's livery is and how wonderful they are at everything thing they do and whatever  is just the cat's meow and how AA/US are nothing compared to the awesome Delta and it's because of their livery that AA/US can never compete with the awe inspiring mother of all airlines Delta!

Back in the day TWU allowed AA to outsource some 727s heavy Cs to Delta.  The jets were ferried back to Tulsa where we had to do glorified light Cs on them so they would fly straight.  But the paint jobs on the wings were awesome.

 

[Flying low]

 
OSMs do not paint. That work is all outsourced. 

What do the painters in TULE do then?

 

[bigjets]

The PAX don't care, look at the pax when a newly painted plain pulls on the gate, they are all watching CNN or their iPad. When I see the old paint scheme it reminds of the incompetence of the past decade, hopefully this paint scheme will remind me of a raise.

 

[cltrat]

the only A/c i ever heard talk about by pax on US are the ones in NFL teams livery.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

 
+1
 
That logo was iconic, and what replaced is not an improvement...

 
Hey Kev… NWA's last paint scheme, it was a really nice silver… do you know if it was expensive to apply or maintain, or anything specific about it that would've make it impractical? I actually like the NWA color more, it was more "silvery" shiny, I think, than what we now have

 

[Kev3188]

Other than some anecdotal comments by AMT'S about the difficulties (and seeing the fine line between a great paint job and a poor one), I honestly don't know...

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I guess my decision would be based on which one tends to look "clean" longer between washing. I don't like for American Airlines aircraft to look dirty.

 

[Kev3188]

+1
 
 
No A/C looks good when it's dirty...

 

[nycbusdriver]

Should read up on the purpose and affect of advertising. There have been countless studies on how color, design and other things affect name recognition and sales.

People look at that stuff. Now that I buy tickets instead of nonrev I look at these things. I'm going to Vegas in two months and Ill be flying SWA. more room that Spirit. Fsr cheaper than AA. Free wi-fi. Free drjnks. Free lugage. Friendly staff. Better parking at DAL. Just better all around.

But as I said first. Read up on advertising. They do not get paid as well as they are for nothing.

 
Do doubt advertising can be an effective tool, in general.  But if "great looking" liveries had much to do with customer choice, then SW would have gone out of business years ago when all their airplanes were baby-sh** brown.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The PAX don't care, look at the pax when a newly painted plain pulls on the gate, they are all watching CNN or their iPad. When I see the old paint scheme it reminds of the incompetence of the past decade, hopefully this paint scheme will remind me of a raise.

 
Almost without exception, any given load of passengers never even see the livery of the airplane they ride (except for how the nose is painted.)  I wager that you could board an entire flight of AA passengers on a UA aircraft, fly them to their destination and none would ever even know of the switch in liveries.