Machinists Union Merger Update

[justaumechanic]

Amen to all of that.. Doug had no interest in the Techs at all..

He's hoping for an election and for no one to show up.. Then he can do what he wants..

Thats a dream..

Lakefield boned him.. Lakefield had the IAM in his hands.. He could have farmed out everything
and kept 500 mechanics for the entire system.. But he played his cards to be nice and now
dougie is stuck with it..

Dougie does not want any maintenance in house, he wants as few techs as possible.. The bare
min. And he will do whatever it takes to get it done..

His loyalties are to the share holders and the equity partners who will oust him tomorrow if
he does not do what he is told to do.

Get the costs down.. Simple as that.. Only one way.. Farm out as much as you can as fast as
you can.. Scope means nothing.. Frank and Bill can say all they want, meaningless.

The AWA techs got hosed and they are about to get hosed again.. All the US people know the
drill so to the AWA techs all I can say is "Welcome to the Family"..

 

[delldude]

Amen to all of that.. Doug had no interest in the Techs at all..


The AWA techs got hosed and they are about to get hosed again.. All the US people know the
drill so to the AWA techs all I can say is "Welcome to the Family"..

ah ha h ah a welcome to aviation USAIR style.... :mf_boff: :mf_boff:

 

[matt]

lets hose them before we get hosed anymore. unions in this country are getting weaker all the time. no thanks to the judges in the companies pockets. they allow the companies to disregaurd the pension funds and increase our health insurance. awa just raised the techs insurance 80.00 a month. what does usair pay a month. I hope one day guys like doug and lakefield gets theirs. God will take care of that.

 

[700UW]

Here is an interesting part of the IAM's new contract.

"Grievances: All non-termination and non-suspension grievancers filed prior to the Petition Date are deemed withdrawn and additional filings for the same issue are prohibited."

Do the members know what is in their new cotract? Dang Mr. 700 there is a lot of things being taken away from the members of the IAM at US Airways. What the heck happened?

I have read the final offer and have not seen any of the alleged language you posted in offer of 1/6/05, you are reading from the company's first offer to the IAM M&R back in October 26, 2004, not the final offer of 1/6/05 that the membership voted on.

And the unscheduled maintenance language is correct.

Company's First Offer 10/04

It would be nice if you posted the correct information from the correct contract.

 

[allstrike]

doug cares nothing about the awa people. if he did then he would have protected them. all he cares about is making the us air people happy. he wont even meet with the techs. I think this merger was a big mistake. techs being told all heavy mx going back east and that phx will be another out station. supervisors are running scared. busting on guys for sick time. wont negotiate in good faith, sending people to the tables that will be leaving in the new year. what a joke!!!!! you think doug will negotiate with IAM fairly wake up!!!!!!!!! i bet this new airline will be in chapter 11 or 7 within 2 years.

Wow you guys got a reality check hu! Sounds like status quo for the eastern division.
Me thinks Doug has heard the term divide and conquer.Must be hanging with Al..

Like The Man Said.......WELCOME TO THE FAMILY

now you have learned about dry lube.....walk softly grasshopper......the walls have ears.

 

[SSBB]

:down: The IAM sure sold you down the river. I was reading the US Bankruptcy Court case #04-13819-ssm date 08/05/2005 on page 9

" In addition, longevity pay is eliminated. Employees returning from furlough will return to the first step on the pay scale. There will no pay increases during 2005-2007 then there will be a 1% pay increase in 2008 and 2% pay increase in 2009."

 

[700UW]

Whatever you are reading is wrong.

That there me hardy is the ramp contract not the mech's and related

GO here and read this:

Final offer 1/6/05

What you are reading is not the contract as there are 1% raises in 2006, and 2007 and 2% increases in 2008 and 2009.

Read the above think and post the correct information, not the wrong information

 

[delldude]

thanks 700 for presenting the facts...just the facts.

 

[gonzo]

Whatever you are reading is wrong.

That there me hardy is the ramp contract not the mech's and related

GO here and read this:

Final offer 1/6/05

What you are reading is not the contract as there are 1% raises in 2006, and 2007 and 2% increases in 2008 and 2009.

Read the above think and post the correct information, not the wrong information

Well Mr. 700....good morning to you....I have read the version of the contract/proposal that you have provided, thank you. It is worded exactly the same as the version I have; your version is "assembled" a little differently. The only difference is that my document is from the bankruptcy court. The version I have was written by the IAM attourneys.

No matter how you read it, or what you read, it is not a good contract.

The contract that the America West Mechanics have right now is a better contract. The "new" contract being negotiated by the Teamsters is an improved version of the present contract.

You mentioned something about a strike vote..........does the IAM really feel that a strike will solve the problem.

NOTE: Today the UAW has taken cuts in its medical and will be talking to GM about more ways to help the company survive..........pay attention to these events.........times have changed.

Thank you for your response.

 

[700UW]

Compare the scope language and tell me the IBT is better?

Compare the GSE pay rates and tell me the IBT is better?

The IAM attornies have never written any contracts, the final offers were written by US Airways labor relations people with some input from the respective IAM Negotiating Committee, I was there were you?

No and it is not written the same as your pay information and return from furlough about the mechanic and related was incorrect.

Guess you better go read it again.

 

[PITMTC]

gonzo,
Thank you for joining in on the attempt to educate some on the changing environment. Some still believe that the old ways of doing things still apply. They repeat that those who do not learn from history will learn to repeat it. The fact is history is being re-written for our industry and we must change or compensate to the changes.
The "concession stand is closed" and "we'll let the judge decide" and " we'll shut this place down" just does not work anymore. Sit down, look over the numbers and agree to change or get b_tch-slapped on the fifth floor again.

 

[Awa Contract]

700 you keep bringing up the pay for GSE but under your contract our GSE people will not have to worry about pay as they are not in the 3 locations where you have GSE support. You are saying they will see a pay raise when THE FACTS are they will be inline to be unemployed. Your Great Scope does them a hell of a lot of good.

 

[allstrike]

No matter how you read it, or what you read, it is not a good contract.

The contract that the America West Mechanics have right now is a better contract. The "new" contract being negotiated by the Teamsters is an improved version of the present contract.

The contract we have today as mech's and related is a chopped up screwed over version of a contract that was better than anything the IBT has ever written...get it it right ok.And the next contract will be an improved version,thats what its all about right.

When bring up the base pay for all your mech's gse,plant maint,plumbers to the same scale...that means topped out AMT pay..then get in ink,let me know ok.

and I know your reading the wrong contract because I did the same thing,I called the union office in PIT and told them that the info on the web sights was misleading by being to confuseing...I went back to work after a good time layed off and went to top pay...no questions asked...no one here has any reason to lie to you,we want you to have the fact,we really do....hell I wish I had em all.

 

[700UW]

700 you keep bringing up the pay for GSE but under your contract our GSE people will not have to worry about pay as they are not in the 3 locations where you have GSE support. You are saying they will see a pay raise when THE FACTS are they will be inline to be unemployed. Your Great Scope does them a hell of a lot of good.

That is why the IAM will negotiate a transistion agreement to keep the former HP GSE Mechanics in the three locations.

Gee, go educate yourself on how the process works, if you keep up your thinking all the AMTs HP has in PHX and LAS would be gone too.

By the way how are those heavy checks going at that the IBT HP mechanics do?

Oh my bad, your contract does not contain heavy checks and it is all done by TIMCO and TACA.

 

[allstrike]

700 you keep bringing up the pay for GSE but under your contract our GSE people will not have to worry about pay as they are not in the 3 locations where you have GSE support. You are saying they will see a pay raise when THE FACTS are they will be inline to be unemployed. Your Great Scope does them a hell of a lot of good.

humm,well lets look at this,that is a good point,but I dont think when the cotract was written they knew they would be merging...hummm.I also dont think the new company would out source all the gse us/wast has they like having lots of good running stuff avail.

talk about scare tactics...oh my dont vote that. just passing gas hu...