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[swamt]

When US IAM followed up on all the United (IAM) Contracts which were Leading the Industry no one was complaining even though US was just a Medium Sized Short Haul Carrier. But now that after two BK's and the Companies cost structure could no longer compete with high fuel fuel prices and the big airlines everyone is taking it out on the IAM? When this once small then medium and the now large Airline and its employees are about to reap the rewards of our sacrifices we are about to embark on a change in representation? What everyone is about to do is just prolong what ANY and I mean ANY Union REPRESENTATION will get anyways !! Industry leading wages as the Largest Carrier in the World ! I am sure the people behind the push for change are only out for themselves. Surely not the membership ! Your fellow Unions Brothers looking for a cushy job sitting in an Office somewhere doing God knows what !! They sure as hell aren't helping you change an engine, tire or brake !!

I hope none of you are being told that you guys will go to top of industry pay just because your the largest carrier, by any incoming union (AMFA or teamsters). Yes, you guys are more than likely fixin to change union representation, and yes I'm pretty sure the AA mechs will decide who that will be. Whoever does come in will not put you guys to the top in one single contract nego's, and I doubt that it will happen in two, but never say never. I hope our nego's at SWA and UPS will keep the market up or higher than it is now, that's why it would be hard to do it in two contracts, I would be more willing to bet 3-4 contracts. And of coarse all this is dependent on length and the billions upon billions in profits that the new AA will be making (or should I say "predicted to make"). If any of the unions are telling you guys that they will put you guys to the top of the industry in their first contract is completely false.
If I misread your post I'm sorry and disregard.

 

[AP Tech]

When US IAM followed up on all the United (IAM) Contracts which were Leading the Industry no one was complaining...

Thinking that was the "Parity Plus One" contract the IAM negotiated a loooong time ago. Never did see the parity as the company declared BK #1 under good ole labor friendly "Dave" !!!

 

[700UW]

We did get two parity raises, that contract was agreed to in 1999 and US didnt file until August of 2002.

I remember getting a $3.35 raise per hour in the 99 agreement as a stock clerk.

 

[AP Tech]

Must have included a step raise then, looking at the old contract book 11 Oct 99 Current $19.01 DOS $20.15 vs 17 SEP 2002 $20.56 dropping to $19.16 JUL 2002 which included the famous retro giveback.....

 

[700UW]

There was a misinterpretation from in the previous CBA that when I went from stores to utility that I wasnt placed on the right pay.

Giammarco got it fixed in the new cba, so those of us who upgraded got a huge raise.

I had to get Mazzacco to tell Freihberger that he and the company were wrong, so it was fixed.

Plus the book rates couldnt have the pay parity plus 1 in it anyhow cause that formula was done yearly.

 

[TRAVIS]

More fears about the ibt and its pension

http://online.wsj.co...0488523342.html

700 GET THE RIGHT INFO ON THE RIGHT PENSION AND STOP MISDIRECTION BS. WRONG PENSION, THE IBT HAS MANY PENSION PLANS SO YOU FOUND ONE TO USE WITH YOUR LIE. The Pension is the WCT. SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. THE WCT IS IN THE GREEN.

JUST SHOWS HOW THE IAM WILL LIE AND TWIST THING OR WERE YOU CONFUSED ON THE PROPER PENSION?

The Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Plan is an example of a strong multi-employer plan provided by the Teamsters. With the WCT, the Teamsters Union provides the largest multi-employer pension plan in the country. It includes more than 230,000 participants covered through agreements negotiated by Teamster locals with about 5,200 employers in 13 states.
THEY ALSO HAVE A 401K.
http://www.teamster.org/content/our-pension

NOW 700 TELL ME THE WCT IS IN THE RED. YOU ARE FULL OF BS AND WILL NOT ANSWER WHEN PROVEN WRONG TIME AFTER TIME AND THE NEXT THING YOU WILL DO IS MISDIRECT THIS BY ASKING ANOTHER QUESTION SO MAN UP.

Is The WCT( Which is the pension in the IBT is offering in the Campaign Info) The Pension Your Talking About Or Were You Confused?

 

[700UW]

So you are calling the Wall Street Journal liars?

I think they are more credible than you or the ibt.

The information was from the WSJ, not the IAM.

Are you lacking comprehension skills or are you lying for the ibt?

Or does the truth, the facts and reality, scare you?

So why is half the ua mechanics in SFO not in the SFO local and were forced to be members in LAX, so they cant attend meetings and such?

Thats real democracy, huh?

 

[TRAVIS]

So you are calling the Wall Street Journal liars?

I think they are more credible than you or the ibt.

The information was from the WSJ, not the IAM.

Are you lacking comprehension skills or are you lying for the ibt?

Or does the truth, the facts and reality, scare you?

So why is half the ua mechanics in SFO not in the SFO local and were forced to be members in LAX, so they cant attend meetings and such?

Thats real democracy, huh?

Tell me WTF the WSJ article on CST has to do with the WCT PENSION the IBT has in the campaign?
Just your way to mislead and twist?

http://www.wctpensio...green_zone.html ( The Western Conference of Teamsters (WCT) Pension Plan) This Actuarial Certification with Explanation and 2012 Funding Certification (required by the Pension Protection Act) states that the WCT Pension Plan remains in the "green zone" for 2012. True Facts.

And as I said you would ask a question so not to answer you lie and mislead BS.

Manup IAM BOY.

 

[700UW]

Because the ibt can manage its pensions.

You totally ignore that fact.

http://www.tdu.org/n...sweetheart-deal

The rider provides for pension payments of $3 per hour, instead of the $8.55 contract rate. The owner operators are reportedly paid less than Allied’s owner operators, who get full pension benefits.

http://www.tdu.org/n...ension-increase

March 15, 2013: Does a ten-year freeze in pension benefits sound too long to you? That is what half of all UPS full-time Teamsters could face, unless there are improvements put in Article 34 of the UPS National Contract.

Survey Reveals Most Teamster Pension Funds in “Red Zone”


http://tdu.org/news/...-“red-zone”

Some of the pension funds surveyed include the New Jersey Local 469 fund, which is in critical status. The Chicago Local 727 fund is 70 percent funded. The Philadelphia Area Fund is in seriously endangered status, with 64 percent funding. The Cleveland Local 507 fund, and the New York Local 210 fund are in critical status. The New England Teamsters Pension Fund, the union’s third largest, is 59 percent funded and in critical status.
Of the 18 funds surveyed, most are in the red zone, including statewide plans in the East such as the Virginia and Upstate New York plans. Four are in endangered status (yellow zone), including the Chicago Local 705 Fund, the Chicago Local 710 Fund and the Central Pennsylvania Fund.
The problem is widespread. No one should blame the individual Teamster officers and International vice presidents associated with those funds for the funds being in trouble: the goal should be a Teamster plan to deal with the overall problem.
The most troubled fund of all is the big Central States, Southeast and Southwest Areas Fund, covering 25 states. It is 58 percent funded, in critical status, and its director, Thomas Nyhan, told a Congressional hearing last year that it will be insolvent in 10-15 years without help. That situation cries out for a plan from the International leaders, who are busy dodging the issue.

 

[TRAVIS]

It's not hard to see why some pensions are in trouble like the CST. The recession also hurt some of the fund's largest companies, which meant smaller contributions into Central States. look at all the company's that are in BK or have just folded up and also behind on funding due to the recession. The US had to bail out the Banks.
BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE IBT PENSION IN THE CAMPAIGN ( WCT ) Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Fund.

http://www.teamster....ent/our-pension

The Exception:

One fund is not endangered. The Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Fund is in the green zone, with 89 percent funding. Why is that?
First off, this fund has maintained a broad funding base of employers. Instead of letting too many employers off the hook, the fund includes the majority of Teamsters in the Western states.
Second, unlike Central States, UPS remains a participant. And UPS part-timers are also participants in the fund as well, an ideal demographic group for a pension fund. Only the Upstate New York and New England funds include UPS part-timers outside the west.
The Western Conference plan has, however, imposed steep cuts in benefits which hurt those retiring in the short run. Like too many of our funds, the employers have 50 percent of the votes on the board but seem to have majority control.

 

[swamt]

It's not hard to see why some pensions are in trouble like the CST. The recession also hurt some of the fund's largest companies, which meant smaller contributions into Central States. look at all the company's that are in BK or have just folded up and also behind on funding due to the recession. The US had to bail out the Banks.
BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE IBT PENSION IN THE CAMPAIGN ( WCT ) Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Fund.

http://www.teamster....ent/our-pension

The Exception:

One fund is not endangered. The Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Fund is in the green zone, with 89 percent funding. Why is that?
First off, this fund has maintained a broad funding base of employers. Instead of letting too many employers off the hook, the fund includes the majority of Teamsters in the Western states.
Second, unlike Central States, UPS remains a participant. And UPS part-timers are also participants in the fund as well, an ideal demographic group for a pension fund. Only the Upstate New York and New England funds include UPS part-timers outside the west.
The Western Conference plan has, however, imposed steep cuts in benefits which hurt those retiring in the short run. Like too many of our funds, the employers have 50 percent of the votes on the board but seem to have majority control.

Yea, we all believe an article not only posted on a teamster web site but it was authored by a teamster. Just proves how we ALL have been saying, "the teamsters want the US guys for their pension". It's true, Hoffa himself as well as Jimmy Little have and still do say that the teamsters depend on their pension to draw in new memberships during card drives. They say it's one of the main reasons people vote in the teamsters. Now look at all the "non-bias" articles about the teamsters run and controlled pensions about to become non-existent and how Hoffa has made the decision to cut the bennies by more than 60% in payable monies to the retirees. Really can't see the teamsters pushing their pension plans with this in the public eye. But, they still do as your post shows above. NOW, who would like to donate their hard earned money, and the money that the company has put in for you, to the teamsters ran and controlled pensions to late in life be told that you will now only receive 35% of your payable bennies?? Don't fall for the teamster BS, let the teamsters go Travis, they will soon be completely out of the mechanics representation in the airline business (except for the UPS guys) as this is the true and only group they truly represent.

 

[TRAVIS]

Yea, we all believe an article not only posted on a teamster web site but it was authored by a teamster. Just proves how we ALL have been saying, "the teamsters want the US guys for their pension". It's true, Hoffa himself as well as Jimmy Little have and still do say that the teamsters depend on their pension to draw in new memberships during card drives. They say it's one of the main reasons people vote in the teamsters. Now look at all the "non-bias" articles about the teamsters run and controlled pensions about to become non-existent and how Hoffa has made the decision to cut the bennies by more than 60% in payable monies to the retirees. Really can't see the teamsters pushing their pension plans with this in the public eye. But, they still do as your post shows above. NOW, who would like to donate their hard earned money, and the money that the company has put in for you, to the teamsters ran and controlled pensions to late in life be told that you will now only receive 35% of your payable bennies?? Don't fall for the teamster BS, let the teamsters go Travis, they will soon be completely out of the mechanics representation in the airline business (except for the UPS guys) as this is the true and only group they truly represent.

The one who files the cards has my vote that will be a FACT. Be it AMFA or IBT as I have said the TWU and IAM have Not Performed the job they are paid to do other than collect dues and HOLD AMT;s at Insulting Wages.
It's easy for you guys at Southwest you are at the top of the hill in pay and the IBT helped get you were you are today.
You AMFA boys need to file soon real soon because we at the bottom of the hill are tired of waiting and don't want to wait no 8 more year of INSULTING WAGES paying dues while NON-UNION AIRLINES MAKE MORE MONEY THAN WE DO and to top it off have to put up with some non-airline ex-parts /lav boy twist facts and tell us how good we have it with the IAM.
MONEY TALKS LOW PAY WALKS WITH THE HIGHER WAGE'S I CAN PUT MORE IN A 401K BUT NOT AT THE IAM INSULTING WAGE SCALE.
Have a good one swamt.

 

[700UW]

I have not twisted any facts.

Glad to see you have to mention me in a post that I had nothing to do with and try to use insults and attacks.

The ibt's record speaks for itself.

 

[TRAVIS]

RUMOR HAS IT 2-3 WEEKS IBT FILES AT US AIRWAYS.

 

[swamt]

RUMOR HAS IT 2-3 WEEKS IBT FILES AT US AIRWAYS.

Hope they do file. Let's get it on...