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Pull back the fangs... I did not say AMFA was doing bad. As it looks SWA is happy with then also the contract they did at Alaska looks OK I have not heard any complaints from them.
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At AS the IAM helped outsource many stations, including the SEA ramp and others to DL (non-union) ready reserve.
IAM introduced part-time reserve at Hawaiian Airlines.
Facilitated UAL outsourcing many large stations (ie MIA & MHT) to UAX provided they retain lower paid IAM members.
Josh
More misinformation.
AS lost the arbitration case to the IAM about SEA ramp.
The IAM didnt introduce ready reserve at HA, it was introduced by the company negotiated over and approved by the membership. Its not part time reserve.
The IAM doesnt outsource stations nor do they select who will do the work at a non-ua employee station, that would be UA management.
And there is no airline that has ramp or mechanics at every single city they fly into, union or non-union.
Keep trying mr hide behind a keyboard who wont answer questions about his employer yet you will attack everyone else on the board.
AS lost the arbitration case to the IAM about SEA ramp.
The IAM didnt introduce ready reserve at HA, it was introduced by the company negotiated over and approved by the membership. Its not part time reserve.
The IAM doesnt outsource stations nor do they select who will do the work at a non-ua employee station, that would be UA management.
And there is no airline that has ramp or mechanics at every single city they fly into, union or non-union.
Keep trying mr hide behind a keyboard who wont answer questions about his employer yet you will attack everyone else on the board.
Why did the IAM stand by and allow UAL to outsource MHT and MIA? The fighting machinists didn't put up a fight. They were more concerned with giving the company exactly what they wanted.
The IAM negotiating team allowed Hawaiian to add that language to the CBA, they shouldn't have agreed to it and sent it out to the membership for ratification then. Learn to read and comprehend CBA language.
See article 26, p.143 of the CBA:
http://www.iam141.org/docs/HA2014clerical.pdf#page=149&zoom=auto,224,396
No benefits except travel, part-time reserves do not contribute to PT cap, must be full dues paying IAM members.
Josh
The IAM negotiating team allowed Hawaiian to add that language to the CBA, they shouldn't have agreed to it and sent it out to the membership for ratification then. Learn to read and comprehend CBA language.
See article 26, p.143 of the CBA:
http://www.iam141.org/docs/HA2014clerical.pdf#page=149&zoom=auto,224,396
No benefits except travel, part-time reserves do not contribute to PT cap, must be full dues paying IAM members.
Josh
How do you know what happened behind the scenes?
And if it was outsourced then the CBA permitted it, like I said no airline has ramp or mechanics at every single city they fly into.
And you would have to ask the HA members who were the negotiating committee, and I guess you forgot HA was also in chapter 11 at one point.
If HA members who negotiated it and voted on it dont have a problem why does a numbers geek who hides behind a computer screen have an issue with it?
And if it was outsourced then the CBA permitted it, like I said no airline has ramp or mechanics at every single city they fly into.
And you would have to ask the HA members who were the negotiating committee, and I guess you forgot HA was also in chapter 11 at one point.
If HA members who negotiated it and voted on it dont have a problem why does a numbers geek who hides behind a computer screen have an issue with it?
Just an example of the poor representation and negotiating strategy employed by the IAM. The IAM rolled over at Hawaiian, they are a stable and profitable company, had a successful restructuring and continue to grow and expand. An effective union would make sure the membership took part in the gains. IAM has done the same at USAIR, Lockheed Martin, Caterpillar, etc. Caterpillar and Lockheed Martin went on unscathed from the lengthy strikes, IAM members crossed picket lines and the company won over the concessions they were seeking.
Face it, at USAIR they have been strapped into concessionary agreements for 11 years, the USAIR workers have been conditioned to roll over and accept concessions by the IAM. Eight years since bk #2, the current section 6 negotiations are ineffective. What commitment has the IAM shown to their members in the merger with AA? All DL 141 has done is complain publicly about USAIR meeting with AA unions and neglecting their current employees.
Josh
Prove they rolled over at HA, you werent in negotiations, you have no clue what transpired now, do you?
Are you that obtuse?
We had two chapter 11 filings, three rounds of concessions with a contract abrogated by the courts, this is the first section 6 negotiations since bankruptcy, I guess you have no clue how the RLA works, now do you?
And DL 141 has nothing to do with maintenance which this thread is about, that would be district 142, who also represents the highest paid CSAs in the industry at WN.
Caterpillar and Lockheed Martin are not part of the Transportation Department of the IAM, nor are they under the RLA, that would be aerospace and manufacturing, nothing to do with Air Transport.
Keep pulling in things that have nothing to do with this topic nor airline employees.
Are you that obtuse?
We had two chapter 11 filings, three rounds of concessions with a contract abrogated by the courts, this is the first section 6 negotiations since bankruptcy, I guess you have no clue how the RLA works, now do you?
And DL 141 has nothing to do with maintenance which this thread is about, that would be district 142, who also represents the highest paid CSAs in the industry at WN.
Caterpillar and Lockheed Martin are not part of the Transportation Department of the IAM, nor are they under the RLA, that would be aerospace and manufacturing, nothing to do with Air Transport.
Keep pulling in things that have nothing to do with this topic nor airline employees.
Tim Nelson has also posted about this, he is involved with the IAM, works for USAIR and knows IAM officials in DL 141, he has said all of this too.
Obviously Lockheed Martin and Caterpillar aren't covered under the RLA, I don't care which department they are under in the IAM organizational structure, Buffy was present at strikes for these two high profile companies, it was covered on the MNN and was written up on goiam.org
Josh
Obviously Lockheed Martin and Caterpillar aren't covered under the RLA, I don't care which department they are under in the IAM organizational structure, Buffy was present at strikes for these two high profile companies, it was covered on the MNN and was written up on goiam.org
Josh
Tim Nelson is a former rep who has been removed twice from office. He was going to be fired from US and the IAM especially several reps from CLT saved his job. He tried to start his own union several times at US, filed short on cards causing a one year bar, during that bar the company decimated the non-union workforce, he tried to sell his name list to the IBT for a job and the TWU knows all about him and put letters out about him when he tried to start another union, failed to gather any support at US and then tried to raid AA.
He wasnt in HA's negotiations and is not a credible source of information just go to the fleet thread and ask his coworkers.
You must have been spurned by an IAM members, your hatred shows, yet you were never an IAM member nor an airline employee.
Why dont you tell us about who you work for and if they took the TARP funds instead of hiding behind a keyboard.
He wasnt in HA's negotiations and is not a credible source of information just go to the fleet thread and ask his coworkers.
You must have been spurned by an IAM members, your hatred shows, yet you were never an IAM member nor an airline employee.
Why dont you tell us about who you work for and if they took the TARP funds instead of hiding behind a keyboard.
I dont hate Tim, I dont hate anyone.
I just tell it like it is.
There is no AGW anymore it existed on paper and was done when they couldnt get anyone to join them.
And you criticize us on the boards all the time, so myself and many want to know who you work for and if your company took the TARP funds, are you scared to tell the board?
I just tell it like it is.
There is no AGW anymore it existed on paper and was done when they couldnt get anyone to join them.
And you criticize us on the boards all the time, so myself and many want to know who you work for and if your company took the TARP funds, are you scared to tell the board?
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answer the Question josh.....we are all waiting
You can speak for TM but not for yourself?....we know Tim....now we want to know you!
