M & R Vote For A UNION.
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Almost all of them are hoping for AMFA to win the election at AA.
pjirish317
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And you know this how exactly? Have you spoken with "almost all of them" personally, or are you just "hoping" that almost all of them hope that AMFA wins the election if/when it happens at AA?
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Well then explain me in a Outstation and I have seen it with my own eyes, 90% IBT in my station cards go in the bag and mailed to CLT and I know others in outstations said they did the same and that would be hear say but I trust them to tell me the truth, Also road trip guys tell us CLT is over 50%.
With what happened at the last card drive( that was close for IBT at the AWA - US merger ) I'll bet the Teamsters are making sure this time the LIST is correct and just how many cards are needed.
Not like the list from last time the IAM gave out that had Retired & DEAD guys on. LOL
Have a good one blue collar (its time for a change now not 4 years down the road)
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Spreading more lies?
The IAM did not provide a list during the failed card drive by the ibt after the merger.
You dont even know how the process works.
Once cards are filed with the NMB, the COMPANY not the union provides the list to the NMB and the NMB verifies signatures and provides the list to the union for them to review and challenge.
Keep spreading lies and misinformation, typical ibt behavior.
You dont change unions in the middle of section 6 negotiations nor a merger, not the brightest idea.
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n014.pdf
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n056.pdf
The IAM did not provide a list during the failed card drive by the ibt after the merger.
You dont even know how the process works.
Once cards are filed with the NMB, the COMPANY not the union provides the list to the NMB and the NMB verifies signatures and provides the list to the union for them to review and challenge.
Keep spreading lies and misinformation, typical ibt behavior.
You dont change unions in the middle of section 6 negotiations nor a merger, not the brightest idea.
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n014.pdf
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n056.pdf
TRAVIS
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And west AMT;s see what the IBT got SWA in PHX as a WAGE and they also know just how well the IAM has protected West stations since the merger for that matter east outstations,
Just how many more cut will we have to go through..
And as far as that delivery man just remember the wage he got us at AWA was better that the US PAY SCALE or do I need to post that again for your math lesson this week.
YES I DO… Because the UPS guy did a better job on wages than you did.
700 I know how you like the facts so here they are out of the January 31 2005 IAM contract. I said: Post #44 AWA (IBT) pre-merger (this would have been in 2005) with US. We made more per hour than USAir did pre-merger /Vacation did not change / we had unlimited sick time at full Pay per day not half pay as we do today/we lost 2 holidays at the merger/ we had a 401k plan and were in Negotiations at the time of the merger. Per the IAM January 31 2005 contract: Base pay $22.77 see page 79. Lead pay $1.00 see page 78. Lic. Pay $1.00 each A/P max $2.00 see page 59. You had NO shift pay see page 237. 4 weeks vacation after 17 yrs. See page 53. And 5 holidays see page 14. Now You Said: HP AMT's NEVER made more in pay than US, why do you keep lying again?IBT 1998 / 2003 contract. Base pay $23.35 see 20-2. Lead pay $1.00 per hour see 20-1. Lic pay $1.00 each A/P max of $2.00 see 20-1. Shift pays .32 cents Swing shift and .35 cents Graves. 4 weeks vacation after 12 yrs. See 14-1. And 7 Holidays with 2 floating total of 9. To top all this off the Contract was Amendable at the time of the merger in 2005.So as you can see AWA (IBT AMT TOP OUT $25.70) made more than US (IAM AMT TOP OUT$24.77) up to 2005 even with the contract ending in 2003. Now we all are under the April 3 2008 IAM Contract. And as you said: IAM crappiest bankruptcy CBA that we used for a Transition Agreement. Did I get the facts right or do we need to go and revote this? Me lying! Boy that’s the pot calling the kettle black. The January 31 2005 contract was so bad the IAM would not post it on line. LOL I found my book......
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ONE IN THE SAME WITH THE IAM AND THE BACK DOOR DEALS.
NOW IS THE TIME TO DUMP THIS TURD LAV BOY.
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Can you not debate the facts?
You have to use insults and attack?
And what protections did the ibt cba have? None, what happened to CMH?
Can you not comprehend the 2005 CBA was not negotiated, it was a final offer after the cba was abrogated?
Is that too hard to understand for you?
Why dont you compare the wages before chapter 11 and see how much better the IAM CBA was.
Plus the scope language in an of the IAM CBAs is way better than any ibt language.
Your overhaul was done in El Salvador, Macon, GA, and Lake City, FL.
You have to use insults and attack?
And what protections did the ibt cba have? None, what happened to CMH?
Can you not comprehend the 2005 CBA was not negotiated, it was a final offer after the cba was abrogated?
Is that too hard to understand for you?
Why dont you compare the wages before chapter 11 and see how much better the IAM CBA was.
Plus the scope language in an of the IAM CBAs is way better than any ibt language.
Your overhaul was done in El Salvador, Macon, GA, and Lake City, FL.
blue collar
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Travis- I think change is good, but why "change" when it's not really different? You're tired of the IAM and their substandard contract, I get it, I was too. You'll end up being tired of the same ol shite from the Ibt, cos they're the same thing. Hell, UAL is trying to go back to the AMFA or the iam. If you truly want a union that cares about members and not dues, then go with AMFA.
No personal contact, just going by what I have read on these and other forums...
ONE IN THE SAME WITH THE IAM AND THE BACK DOOR DEALS.
NOW IS THE TIME TO DUMP THIS TURD LAV BOY.
Travis, have you not been listening? The teamsters are the KINGS doing "behind closed door" deals with the company. They did it at SWA as well as CAL prior to their merger with UAL, and to this day are doing them around the pensions. Once again no member input about the members retirement, Hoffa just flat out agreed to cut the bennies, AND it will not affect him or his officers. The "behind closed door" deals, the fraud and forgery of cards, the utterly disgracefull actions taken by the teamsters about the pensions is all together more than likely the final nail for the teamsters. As I have said long ago, the teamsters will be their own demise...
If anything just stay IAM until after merger. Wait untill AMFA election is done, then you guys have a choice. Teamsters are way, way worse than the IAM. But if you guys want to experience the same thing that the UAL guys are right now you go ahead and bring in the teamsters and you guys can deal with them.
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swamt Your top pay scale was mostly by negotiations done by the IBT to get you were you are today. I can't stop a card drive it is in full swing. And to let the IAM stay in charge would be a travesty to my craft as the wages are and Embarrassment to my craft as is the TWU wages at AA.
AS i have said you need to win at AA they hold the key to this merger and who will be the union on property.
MONEY TALKS BS WALKS.
Keep your friends close to you and your enemies even closer. B)
AS i have said you need to win at AA they hold the key to this merger and who will be the union on property.
MONEY TALKS BS WALKS.
Keep your friends close to you and your enemies even closer. B)
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Oh, so the Ibt kept the swa pay so high for almost 10 years since they've been booted? I didn't realize they had that much influence.......hah
You are correct Travis. I have never said that it was while AMFA was at SWA that we recieved our big raises. The teamsters were the representational union at the time we recieved our big raise. However, it was directly related to the fact that the NWA guys with AMFA nego the "new and improved" wage rates for them that got us what we got at that time. I have never denied this fact. Nor will I ever. Good luck to you guys.
