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[700UW]

There is NO seniority agreement between UA and CO, so explain how there are grievances being worked on. Explain how there are UA mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the street, while UA members are on the street. Great job by the reamsters.

 

[TRAVIS]

700 you can spin any thing you want out of the UA / CO merger who are IBT and both have kicked the IAM OUT. As it sets now the IAM is on its way out at US Airways and the TWU is on its way out at AA so its going to be either the IBT or AMFA and that's OK with me both get MUCH HIGHER WAGES FOR AMT's http://www.teamster....r-Color_rev.pdf You can add your 3% in July 2013 and for that mater TWU and a 4.6% and they still do not beat the IBT wage at UAL. http://www.teamster....ison-Sept28.pdf
If i feel i can't trust the union on my pension i will go with a 401k with the Upper Wage that will be possible.
All i know is the IAM and LOW WAGES have to go.

Have a nice day 700 just remember you do not pay my bills and you are NOT A AMT and you do not work for US Airways.

 

[700UW]

Answer the questions, and UA is in the process of kicking out the ibt, just like at WN.

There is no seniority intergration nor an agreement between the same unions at CO and UA, so:

1. How are there grievances being worked on like you stated in your post?

2. Why are there UA mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the street, yet bothg A&Ps are represented by the ibt?

Man up and answer instead of deflecting and changing the subject.

Everyone know the ibt is the king of lies and deciet.

Why did they promise the mechanics at UA they could open their section 6 negotiations and they couldnt, and UA management laughed at the ibt?

 

[AP Tech]

I do happen to agree with the above post 700, but those who have been at U for any amount of time has seen the IAM become a "company" union. They have little say any longer. Most are just tired and figure a change is in order, not that it is going to matter as the AA mechanics far outnumber the U mechanics and will have the final say on who will represent the group...

 

[TRAVIS]

Answer the questions, and UA is in the process of kicking out the ibt, just like at WN.

There is no seniority intergration nor an agreement between the same unions at CO and UA, so:

1. How are there grievances being worked on like you stated in your post?

2. Why are there UA mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the street, yet bothg A&Ps are represented by the ibt?

Man up and answer instead of deflecting and changing the subject.

Everyone know the ibt is the king of lies and deciet.

Why did they promise the mechanics at UA they could open their section 6 negotiations and they couldnt, and UA management laughed at the ibt?

IMO I don't work for UAL/CTL but I will bet the Grievance committee have a lot of grievances over seniority and are hard at work trying to put people in slot by DOH and be sure that if its like any grievance procedure it takes time.This may have something to do with the funding of the pension from the new company due to not having all the paper work in for the group merger( IMO ) but i may be wrong.
YOU SAID: Answer the questions, and UA is in the process of kicking out the ibt, just like at WN.
My Answer: just like US is in the process of kicking out the IAM just like at UA and WN and NWA and the list goes on.

There is no seniority intergration nor an agreement between the same unions at CO and UA, so:
I said: IMO I don't work for UAL/CTL. ( IMO ) but i may be wrong. I was not far off its not the grievance committee it’s the seniority integration committee and look what I found.
http://www.teamster....te-march-2-2013
Seniority Integration
A formal report of the rank and file seniority integration committee was prepared and signed by mediator Ralph Berger. This report will be used by the rank and file negotiating committee during phase 2. The report can be seen at the following link:
http://www.teamster....C-RR_3-1-13.pdf
1. How are there grievances being worked on like you stated in your post?
2. http://www.teamster....february-9-2013
I am sure someone saw the wrong seniority lists and filed a grievance I would have
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An email has been circulating with two seniority lists attached. This email is questioning the validity of the lists and claiming local management teams have them but are not releasing them yet.
TO BE CLEAR – This is NOT CORRECT and the “LISTS” ARE NOT ACCURATE.
The lists were provided to the Union as part of an overall information request but none of the rules the Seniority Integration committee have agreed to have been applied to these lists. In other words, they are highly inaccurate and have flipped positions for hundreds from current lists. Because they were highly inaccurate and will not be used in any way, the lists were not released to the membership. As soon as the Seniority Integration committee has the combined list and it has been checked for accuracy it will be released to the membership.
Until a combined list is released by the Seniority Integration committee with their stamp of approval there is no official list. Please be aware of this when receiving this type of email. If you ever do or have a question, please contact your steward for accurate information.
2. Why are there UA mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the street, yet bothg A&Ps are represented by the ibt?
http://www.teamster....s-weekly-update
With no seniority integration that’s a no brainer.(merger paper work not completed )
Furloughed members urged to update their addresses: Members on furlough are advised to keep their addresses current with the company while on layoff. It is predicted that there will be many movements this year and there have been several members that have been removed from the seniority list because old addresses were on file when notices were sent.

Why did they promise the mechanics at UA they could open their section 6 negotiations and they couldnt, and UA management laughed at the ibt? Post your ref.
Man up and answer instead of deflecting and changing the subject.
I DID. NOW YOU MAN UP AND ANSWER POST#44 AWA (IBT) pre-merger (this would have been in 2005) with US. We made more per hour than USAir did pre-merger /Vacation did not change / we had unlimited sick time at full Pay per day not half pay as we do today/we lost 2 holidays at the merger/ we had a 401k plan and were in Negotiations at the time of the merger. Per the IAM January 31 2005 contract: Base pay $22.77 see page 79. Lead pay $1.00 see page 78. Lic. Pay $1.00 each A/P max $2.00 see page 59. You had NO shift pay see page 237. 4 weeks vacation after 17 yrs. See page 53. And 5 holidays see page 14. Now You Said: HP AMT's NEVER made more in pay than US, why do you keep lying again?IBT 1998 / 2003 contract. Base pay $23.35 see 20-2. Lead pay $1.00 per hour see 20-1. Lic pay $1.00 each A/P max of $2.00 see 20-1. Shift pays .32 cents Swing shift and .35 cents Graves. 4 weeks vacation after 12 yrs. See 14-1. And 7 Holidays with 2 floating total of 9. To top all this off the Contract was Amendable at the time of the merger in 2005.So as you can see AWA (IBT AMT TOP OUT $25.70) made more than US (IAM AMT TOP OUT$24.77) up to 2005 even with the contract ending in 2003. Now we all are under the April 3 2008 IAM Contract. And as you said: IAM crappiest bankruptcy CBA that we used for a Transition Agreement. Did I get the facts right or do we need to go and re-vote this? Me lying! Boy that’s the pot calling the kettle black. The January 31 2005 contract was so bad the IAM would not post it on line. LOL I found my book........................ Facts in black and white you posted a IAM lie. I do not work for UAL or CO but it looks like The IBT is working on it. The US IAM just posted a update: it was a insult again the offer was lower than what they offered the TWU LOL.

 

[swamt]

Answer the questions, and UA is in the process of kicking out the ibt, just like at WN.

There is no seniority intergration nor an agreement between the same unions at CO and UA, so:

1. How are there grievances being worked on like you stated in your post?

2. Why are there UA mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the street, yet bothg A&Ps are represented by the ibt?

Man up and answer instead of deflecting and changing the subject.

Everyone know the ibt is the king of lies and deciet.

Why did they promise the mechanics at UA they could open their section 6 negotiations and they couldnt, and UA management laughed at the ibt?

700 is correct. UAL guys are looking at fireing the teamsters. There is a card drive at UAL for AMFA and IAM to remove the ibt. Once the dust starts to settle and smooth out from the AA/AMFA representational election, then you will see a rather large increase of focuss on the UAL guys. From there it will be a trickle affect. This is what our industry and craft needs. Look at all the pilot and F/A's groups that have all gone into craft oriented unions, much, much better for the entire group.

 

[TRAVIS]

There is NO seniority agreement between UA and CO, so explain how there are grievances being worked on. Explain how there are UA mechanics on layoff and CO is hiring off the street, while UA members are on the street. Great job by the reamsters.

Seniority Integration
A formal report of the rank and file seniority integration committee was prepared and signed by mediator Ralph Berger. This report will be used by the rank and file negotiating committee during phase 2. The report can be seen at the following link:
http://www.teamster....C-RR_3-1-13.pdf

 

[TRAVIS]

700 is correct. UAL guys are looking at fireing the teamsters. There is a card drive at UAL for AMFA and IAM to remove the ibt. Once the dust starts to settle and smooth out from the AA/AMFA representational election, then you will see a rather large increase of focuss on the UAL guys. From there it will be a trickle affect. This is what our industry and craft needs. Look at all the pilot and F/A's groups that have all gone into craft oriented unions, much, much better for the entire group.

If that true than that's the first thing he's got right in some time.
swamt time will tell who gets AA and that will set what union will be at US AMFA OR IBT is OK with me. Have a good one my union brother.

 

[TRAVIS]

swamt I like a lot about the AMFA but the Seniority Integration that you used for airtrans and WN gave you a black eye in my book and a lot of other AMT's. I know it was voted on but WN is larger than AIRTRANS of course they were voted down, A flip of a quarter would have been a lot more fair. At AA it reminds me of what they did to the TWA guys. Also that NWA thing sets a bad taste in a lot of AMT's god bless them. DOH in class is the only fair way. All unions have somthing someone don't like about them. have a good one.

 

[blue collar]

The airtran guys passed the proposal on their side, just like swa did. It wasn't the total number voting as one, both sides had to pass it. Apparently, giving swa a 4 year boost was worth it to them for the wage/benefit improvements they got.

 

[swamt]

swamt I like a lot about the AMFA but the Seniority Integration that you used for airtrans and WN gave you a black eye in my book and a lot of other AMT's. I know it was voted on but WN is larger than AIRTRANS of course they were voted down, A flip of a quarter would have been a lot more fair. At AA it reminds me of what they did to the TWA guys. Also that NWA thing sets a bad taste in a lot of AMT's god bless them. DOH in class is the only fair way. All unions have somthing someone don't like about them. have a good one.

You more than likely have already heard why the SWA membership sought after the increase, as it has been discussed in legnths here on the forums. This thread is not one to discuss it in, however I will ask you all to remember, if there is something you didn't like about the SWA/AT integration, remember this, with AMFA it is the membership that controls the union and our senoirity integration. If your gonna be mad at anyone be it us the membership, not AMFA, the union. I do understand your beliefs and thx for sharing the truth, I appreciate and respect that more than you know. Your right all unions have their querks. I just say, at least with AMFA, everything is out in the open, transparent and a true democracy union, that all positions within the union are elected and can be removed thru the re-call proccess. Everyone knows I am all for AMFA. We had the teamsters and NO THANKS. Travis if any of you guys have any questions about AMFA or teamsters pls feel free to ask. The maim reason I became involved on here was the fact that the teamsters and teamster supporters were lying about AMFA so bad that most of the mechanics out here are too lazy to do their own homework and research and would rather believe everything they hear, so I started out getting on here to rebuttle the lies and mis-truths being spread. I will be honest; I know very little about the IAM, nor have I ever been represented by them. Good luck to you in the future, this will be a long ride for you guys, but now, I think you guys can see some light at the end of the tunnel. Travis on a second note. It is true that the AA-AMFA organizers are going to file with the NMB in May and have an election. There will be a delay due to the onslought of people being added to the eligibility list. AMFA is extremely prepared for this, this time around, as last time in 2004, AMFA lost the "amount required" with the NMB as the company and union worked together to pad the eligibility list with dead, retired, supervisors, managers, and other non-eligiable employees added to the mechanics list. BTW AMFA only lost by I think 24 or 44 votes in 2004. This time around I really believe they will be able to do it, legally, truthfully, and transparently. As far as the teamsters are concerned, yes they are another union running a card drive at AA. However their original intent upon ariving at AA was to solely deflect the AMFA card drive ONLY. However, after the teamsters saw they were not deflecting as well as they thought, they (HOFFA) then kicked into full gear teamsters card drive instead. Jim Little put out a personal letter critisizing the Hoffa and teamsters crew for their betrayal. I also think there are too many negative points against the teamsters. You have read them all I am sure. But I will tell you this. Since the teamsters were fired from SWA, they will do anything and everything to do harm against AMFA. Including helping out another union against AMFA. And they will spend millions upon millions to get it done, so, never under estimate the teamsters. Good luck brother, sorry for dragging this out....

 

[swamt]

The airtran guys passed the proposal on their side, just like swa did. It wasn't the total number voting as one, both sides had to pass it. Apparently, giving swa a 4 year boost was worth it to them for the wage/benefit improvements they got.

Yes. Over 86% for both sides.

 

[Just Another BK]

The airtran guys passed the proposal on their side, just like swa did. It wasn't the total number voting as one, both sides had to pass it. Apparently, giving swa a 4 year boost was worth it to them for the wage/benefit improvements they got.

Where do you get 4 Year boost? DFW SWA were given a 70% boost in DOH.

 

[Just Another BK]

Saw the AMR Seniority List. The Senior TWA Mechanic had DOH of 1965. Guess where he's at on the Seniority List? 7103 !! If he was given DOH no strings attached he would be #2 !!! There are over 400 below him. List continues to 8500 or so. My 26 years is roughly 750 at US and 1500 on AMR list. So US Mechanics are definately more senior.

 

[1AA]

swamt I like a lot about the AMFA but the Seniority Integration that you used for airtrans and WN gave you a black eye in my book and a lot of other AMT's. I know it was voted on but WN is larger than AIRTRANS of course they were voted down, A flip of a quarter would have been a lot more fair. At AA it reminds me of what they did to the TWA guys. Also that NWA thing sets a bad taste in a lot of AMT's god bless them. DOH in class is the only fair way. All unions have somthing someone don't like about them. have a good one.

Let me clear this up. It was Jim Little of the TWU NOT the members or the company who you claim screwed the TWA guys. Jim Little did not want to take responsibility for the seniority integration issue at AA so he decided to let a Federal Arbitrator make the decision for him on how to settle the Seniority issue. Jim Little played his spineless, take no responsibility card. He washed his hands from this by letting Kasher do the dirty work.