Luv Into Phl

[mrplanes]

Chip:

Neelman's portfolio is as large as it is because of what he has DONE at Jetblue. He has been rewarded for his forsight and expertise by the performane of the stock. It is a red herring to compare his portfolio and Siegel's and you know it. Compare their salaries.

You have not responded to my post. I say Siegel must go. What say you Chip? I say again, Mullin has taken the bull by the horns with Song and he is succeeding. Respond to my post. I am not "shooting the messenger". I am interested in seeing if the messenger has the balls to call for Siegel's resignation. Siegel is inept at running this company. Do you agree or disagree? He is inept at providing motivation and leadership for the employees. Do you agree or disagree? What he has done to this workforce's morale and loyalty (not to mention the rest of the issues) is outrageous. He is a cancer on this airline. I thought he was the savior when he got here. How totally wrong I was. What do you believe Chip?

mr

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Chip,
I'm assuming the comment about being childish was in direct response to the Commander Solo comment....and I guess you know what I'm implying?

Insulted or not?...your constant drumbeat of the world as you see it...does not change how we as the working class here are prepared to address future incursions into our ranks or wallets.

Many here tend to see your drumming of Dave's beat as yet another "Rubber Stamp" of anything he does being OK with Chip...hince forth it should be made OK with the rest of us. Well my friend..here's the morning coffee...It's not OK with us !!

We have been royally had by Dave. He came in with talk of being sincere and honest...and he's prooven to be a sincere liar and failure beyond navigating BK..which I will give him credit for. I would actually applaud the guy had he not lied to everyone whom supported his efforts...and to get the staff of the flags of support burried in thier arses in the end.

I have no idea what motivates you or inspires you? but AOG is inspired and motivated by honesty , integrity , loyalty and patriotism....wealth is not a concern as long as health is at it's peak. My aspirations are not self-serving in any or all accounts like some.

I see what happened to ALPA during all this as being as tragic as what happened to all the other groups...no bodies pain weighs greater than the others...unless it cuts to the point that the basic needs cannot be satisfied via positive efforts being put forward.

Here again....my best efforts are rewarded with a humble living...my failures would net me un-employment for certain in an all things being equal world.

Dave and Crew is rewarded on a scale that I can't even imagine..yet they are being rewarded for lack luster results....and mis-calculations that may idle us all eventually.

In all walks of professional life...like results would net termination...or a release from a contract. I think Dr. Bronner needs to give these folks the same Heav-Ho that the Boston Reds Sox manager got for something far less important in lifes grand scheme.

No Give-backs...No Negotiations ...No Nothing until a new leadership corp whom prooves themselves as worthy and interested in runing this airline is brought into being. Then I'm willing to listen...remember , You and I agreed at one point that Dave needed to be allowed a chance...He got it....he got us good...and then he lost us all via less than honest or honorable means. Even a pet dog will lose trust if you kick it often enough...and most are one kick over the line , in case you have not noticed?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Group:

In my opinion name calling or name mispronunciation is an insult, plan and simple.

US Airways' unit costs are still too high when compared to LCC's (not network airlines) and it’s not W-2 that's the issue. I believe the problem is the route network and productivity.

The route network is focused on two hubs with low O&D traffic, it's to short-haul, and creates a lack of productivity with workers sitting around in-between banks.

When Siegel says costs need to be cut, they do, but it's not all about employee wages.

MDA, Pittsburgh hub negotiations, route reallocation, alliance cost synergies, fleet simplification, internet sales penetration, increased Kiosk use, Pref Bid, pension legislative relief, and yes, A320 heavy maintenance outsourcing are all examples of cost cuts that will not largely effect active employees. These are all pending and possible cost cuts, yet to be realized.

Again, you can "shoot the messenger" or verbally assonate management, but this does nothing to help the situation when comparing network carrier and LCC unit costs.

There needs to be a team effort here, regardless of the past, to make this airline profitable. Bitching and moaning will not help the issues at hand. Nor will denial. Either US Airways and the other network carriers adjust to the rapidly changing environment or they will fail -- it's really plain and simple.

Regards,

Chip

 

[mrplanes]

Chip:

That's what I thought.

Regards:

mr

 

[ClueByFour]

US Airways' unit costs are still too high when compared to LCC's (not network airlines) and it’s not W-2 that's the issue. I believe the problem is the route network and productivity.

The route network is focused on two hubs with low O&D traffic, it's to short-haul, and creates a lack of productivity with workers sitting around in-between banks.

[snippage]

MDA, Pittsburgh hub negotiations, route reallocation, alliance cost synergies, fleet simplification, internet sales penetration, increased Kiosk use, Pref Bid, pension legislative relief, and yes, A320 heavy maintenance outsourcing are all examples of cost cuts that will not largely effect active employees. These are all pending and possible cost cuts, yet to be realized.

Okay, regarding the workers sitting around, all you have to do is fix that scheduling problem, and then pay pilots LUV style, by trip. I want to know if you would personally support that form of compensation?

The second statement, particularly the part about impact on active employees, is so typical of a mid-senior time ALPA pilot that I'm not even going to touch eat. Eating your young will not do a single thing towards helping lower costs.

The funniest thing about all of this is that LUV's management had all this stuff figured out years ago.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Chip,

I agree with most of what you are saying...but regarding the heavy maintenance of the A320 family....judgement as been passed on that subject...and it's high time that you and Dave both wake up to that aspect of life.

The issue now is when and where we get started on it "In-House" before you yourself run out of something to fly at all.

I agree that banks in and out of hubs creates an un-productive literary society ..along with experts in cross-word puzzles...as I have seen a zillion times over...but whom is to blaim here???

I firmly believe in the old Piedmont system of cross utilization of skills...and a retreat from the "It's not my job attitude" that helped kill off Eastern...yet I do not believe in opening up any contracts for review or renegotiation with Dave and friends..We have seen what they are capable of in stones.

I for one am sick of what I'm seeing...I'm equally tired of being badgered about overtime on my days off...or being near mandatoried into overtime when thousands are on the street.

My job in CLT is not unique to this...it also took place in PIT this winter...and still continues according to my contacts there..but not for the floor mechanics or anyone else in the IAM.

We agree that change need to take place for us to survive..but I'm equally certain that change needs to take place from the top down this time..the tore up from the floor up method didn't yield the desired results obviously.

BTW...your comments on Airbus outsourcing not affecting active employee's is bunk Chip. Stores jobs are being taken with our parts in Mobile Al.....and more active jobs will vanish if Dave gets his way..and the Boeings go into accelerated retirement as he would ultimatley do....don't believe your own propaganda on that subject....it may not be today?...but we will suffer greatly in due course under that scenario. That was half the reason for the battle royal Captain...unlike the company , the IAM and it's membership saw the long term projection of reality clearly.

 

[Phoenix]

Group:

In my opinion name calling or name mispronunciation is an insult, plan and simple.

US Airways' unit costs are still too high ....

Indeed Chip...

These are truly the only two arguments that I can say you have consistently maintained.

I just can't decide which one is more tiresome.



Don’t feel bad. I have consistently maintained that Mgt has to catch a clue that problems are not fixed by Bankruptcy Extortions, furloughs, ACARS Scams, Small Jet soft landings, or ever-diminishing customer product quality. I am sure you find that tiresome.

Maybe SouthWest will plunder USAirways and prove that indeed:

1.) you CAN call people NUTZ, and
2.) that Wolf-Siegal “cost reductionsâ€￾ do less to profit USAir as they set it up for plunder.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Cav:

Cav said: "Chip, I don't see anyone calling you stupid, or even ill informed. But what is remembered is how you swing back and forth like metronome."

Chip asks: I must be ill informed, but can you tell me what you meant by the statement above?

Regards,

Chip

 

[Hawk]

Most employees understand that WN has put the company in a capricious position where we must make changes to remain competitive. The labor groups must allow the company to reduce its costs. The LCC’s continue to put pressure on the company with their lower labor costs and productivity. Our labor work rules are antiquated. The efficiency in how well we work together is vital. Blaming who is at fault will not benefit anyone within the company. Joining forces to battle the competition is essential for our prosperity. The majority of the employees are willing to work with this management team. I challenge the naysayers to work with the company. Your decision will control the future of this company.

Each employee should decide if they are willing to give us the needed tools to restructure the company in a competitive manner. Reducing costs will be required in all areas of the company. Management or Labor should not be blamed. The CASM data paints a clear picture that every employee should understand that we must take the appropriate action. It is time for every employee to make a commitment that they are willing to work with this management team. The name-calling and criticism of this management team must end. We must engage the competition versus each other. US Airways’ will prevail in the end.

 

[USA320Pilot]

AOG:

AOG said: “BTW...your comments on Airbus outsourcing not affecting active employees is bunk Chip. Stores jobs are being taken with our parts in Mobile Al.....and more active jobs will vanish if Dave gets his way...and the Boeings go into accelerated retirement as he would ultimatley do....don't believe your own propaganda on that subject....it may not be today?...but we will suffer greatly in due course under that scenario. That was half the reason for the battle royal Captain...unlike the company, the IAM and its membership saw the long term projection of reality clearly.â€￾

Chip answers: I stand corrected on the Store’s jobs. I forgot about that aspect, but I was referring to the current headcount for the A&P’s who work in the hangar. In regard to the Boeings, I agree because the 2007 to 2009 Airbus order could replace the B757s/B767s and the EMB-190s/195s the B737s.

However, could there be a way to help the company and protect the current mechanic jobs?

From a cost accounting stand point, the LCC’s do not conduct heavy maintenance and they outsource this work, which is a contributing factor to their lower unit costs.

What if the company agreed to a mechanic and related worker (stores for example) no furlough clause due to heavy maintenance for active employees in exchange for a contractual agreement to outsource heavy maintenance. Obviously, this would not be good for furloughed mechanics, but would lower costs and keep our current mechanics employed. Thus, management could lower head count and expense due to attrition.

Furthermore, what if this type of an agreement took the pressure off for pay cuts, would that help? Would this be an acceptable solution to help both the mechanics and the company?

Incidentally, I understand the company filed an appeal on the lower court’s decision and the A320 heavy maintenance case will be moved to Philadelphia.

Regards,

Chip

 

[USAirBoyA330]

Well Well Well! Looks who's "working" late from the executive suite in Crystal City (aka Fort. Fumble) Are the cries for a certain persons resignation getting too loud? Afraid a certain someone is in over their head and about to be run out on rails? How juicy! <_<

 

[USA320Pilot]

Hawk:

Your comments are well put and well said. Thanks for the reasoned post.

Regards,

Chip

 

[cavalier]

Cav:

Cav said: "Chip, I don't see anyone calling you stupid, or even ill informed. But what is remembered is how you swing back and forth like metronome."

Chip asks: I must be ill informed, but can you tell me what you meant by the statement above?

Regards,

Chip

Sometimes, but not often, you seem to be on OUR side/LABOR and then you blindly seem to agree with everything this management team says no matter what they do. Like the airbus work...another topic, not here. You don't seem to grasp the fact that this management team has completely lost any hope of cooperation with labor after all the ill will they caused.

I agree with AOG that changes need to be made, but like myself and tons of others, we will NOT help out this current management team. We will only call for their resignations and then and only then deal with the issues at hand. Pounding the drum that it's reality and deal with it only makes people angry without changing management. We will deal with it ONLY after this management is history!

After you lost your pension you had nothing good to say about this management team, but now for some reason they are right on the mark in your mind even when it comes to stealing our very work they promised NOT to touch!

That is what I was talking about …back and forth, but mostly forth leaning towards management no matter what they do, right or wrong.

I was just making a point that everyone can see, Chip, and mean no disrespect.

Cav

 

[USAirBoyA330]

Oh Chip.....If you came with attachments we could throw out the Hoover Vacuum. I think your very informative and like reading your posts MOST of the time however, you are so far off base and up management's rear it isn't funny. We all know that cost need to be under control but what you fail to understand is that we are fed up with the constant beating and disrespect from this management! I won't give another freaking thing. PERIOD. We gave them the tools from labor they wanted and now the well is dry. And don't give me that crap about shooting the messenger....we understand however, we disagree.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Chip ,
I fully appreciate the manner in which you pose the question on this subject...yet the appeals process not withstanding...I do not see Dave getting his way there either. I do believe the judge in the western district of Pa. took his time in order to not be reversed by anyone...let alone fellow judges from a state whom have been horribly mis-treated by our leadership.

I also do not see the IAM saying OK..lets re-visit these subjects. I firmly believe that the IAM-M and it's membership are not willing to give an inch , when it's known to equal a country mile before it's over with. Here again..this is where trust or lack there of has been trounced beyond repair

I'm as sick over these prospects as the next intersted party is..but lets keep in mind whom has bargained n good faith to date...and whom has tried to prey upon that good faith as it were a weakness.

Again...when the labor groups , yours included via a vote of NO-Confidence , include state politicians of your state of residence and countless others that all agree that U managment is not to be trusted at thier word....where do we go from here?

My view is it's high time for an influx of integrity here....Dr. Bronner has allowed a rise of a monster...and it's his monster to contain...until then ? I see nothing but resistance here forward from all parties concerned...BTW has ALPA backed off the vote of no confidence stance?.....if not? Your group has spoken for you too.