Chip, the reason people are as you saying BITCHING etc: Not all that long ago "only a few months" we all signed concessionary contracts TWICE with Dave's blessings saying this would SOLVE the upcoming problems, whether it be LCC or whatever, these concessions were the answer to our problems. But now ONLY a few short months later it's like we are right back where we started. The problem this time around, Dave has alienated the entire work force instead of bringing them together when he had the chance. Personally I blame that square on Jerry Glass and his merry band of union busters, but whatever the cause here we are, a disgruntled work force unwilling to work with Dave and his team. This is why people are calling for his resignation. People are not saying cost are ok, people are saying Dave already promised us all TWICE he dealt with that, he has never been honest but instead always wielding his hammer which only pisses people off even more. The employees are not stupid, they get it, they are just completely fed up with this managements teams tactics, period.Chip Munn said:
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Herb apparently agrees.ClueByFour said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2003Oct28.html
It also stands to reason that LUV has some pretty sharp biz analysts who took a peek at people's listed addresses before going to PHL, to ensure they don't draw off too much traffic from their own BWI ops.
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Group:
Nobody predicted the significant aircraft orders and the aggressive expansion plans of JetBlue, Southwest, and AirTran. These companies are adding over 400 jets to their operations during the next four years and their ASM's will double.
Anger and frustration over the profound industry changes help nothing. Just like the railroad, energy, and steel industry's, either company's adjust or they become dinosaurs and die.
Southwest is gong to enter Philadelphia with 14 flights and have four gates. Get over it and learn to adjust.
Will the airline expand more? Absolutely, but so will every other LCC.
The issue is to lower unit costs to a point that the revenue premium will permit sustained profitability.
It's easy to "shoot the messenger" and to vent frustrations, but that does not help the competitive issue(s).
Today I talked with an airline analyst about Southwest’s entry into Philadelphia. The very informed and bright individual said, “Philadelphia will have growth opportunities for low-fare carriers given the size of the market and generally high fares. US Airways will not make it easy for a new competitor to launch service in a hub city, but we ultimately expect that Southwest to successful in Philadelphia.â€
I do too, but US Airways can and will compete, but the bitching and moaning that goes on in this board is reminiscent of the Yahoo! Board and its dysfunctional. LCC’s and their cost advantage are here to stay and either network airlines and their employees adjust to this new reality or they will fail – it’s really plain and simple.
Regards,
Chip
Nobody predicted the significant aircraft orders and the aggressive expansion plans of JetBlue, Southwest, and AirTran. These companies are adding over 400 jets to their operations during the next four years and their ASM's will double.
Anger and frustration over the profound industry changes help nothing. Just like the railroad, energy, and steel industry's, either company's adjust or they become dinosaurs and die.
Southwest is gong to enter Philadelphia with 14 flights and have four gates. Get over it and learn to adjust.
Will the airline expand more? Absolutely, but so will every other LCC.
The issue is to lower unit costs to a point that the revenue premium will permit sustained profitability.
It's easy to "shoot the messenger" and to vent frustrations, but that does not help the competitive issue(s).
Today I talked with an airline analyst about Southwest’s entry into Philadelphia. The very informed and bright individual said, “Philadelphia will have growth opportunities for low-fare carriers given the size of the market and generally high fares. US Airways will not make it easy for a new competitor to launch service in a hub city, but we ultimately expect that Southwest to successful in Philadelphia.â€
I do too, but US Airways can and will compete, but the bitching and moaning that goes on in this board is reminiscent of the Yahoo! Board and its dysfunctional. LCC’s and their cost advantage are here to stay and either network airlines and their employees adjust to this new reality or they will fail – it’s really plain and simple.
Regards,
Chip
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Fly & 737:
Your posts and viewpoints, coming from the United board/view point, are predictable. In fact, it’s no wonder the United board is dead with very few posts, considering your input.
In regard to the Pacific, it is my understanding, even though Greg Taylor, United’s senior vice president of planning, told the bankruptcy court the unsecured creditors committee wants the Chicago-based airline to sell its Pacific operation, US Airways is not interested flying past California at this time and it’s not on the radar screen.
In addition, the A380 is not a transatlantic airplane. US Airways’ interest is in UCT domestic cities and the Dulles/Miami operations. The United East Coast cities if integrated into US Airways would be to expand transatlantic and South American markets. Thus, the company would require smaller aircraft such as the A330-200 and the B767-300, to match capacity with demand, rather than the A380.
US Airways' business plan calls for aircraft/route reallocation, due to the changes in the domestic marketplace, which could be expanded if United is forced to sell assets to obtain exit financing. By the way -- how come after over one year of trying -- United still does not have exit financing? Hummm......
Regards,
Chip
Your posts and viewpoints, coming from the United board/view point, are predictable. In fact, it’s no wonder the United board is dead with very few posts, considering your input.
In regard to the Pacific, it is my understanding, even though Greg Taylor, United’s senior vice president of planning, told the bankruptcy court the unsecured creditors committee wants the Chicago-based airline to sell its Pacific operation, US Airways is not interested flying past California at this time and it’s not on the radar screen.
In addition, the A380 is not a transatlantic airplane. US Airways’ interest is in UCT domestic cities and the Dulles/Miami operations. The United East Coast cities if integrated into US Airways would be to expand transatlantic and South American markets. Thus, the company would require smaller aircraft such as the A330-200 and the B767-300, to match capacity with demand, rather than the A380.
US Airways' business plan calls for aircraft/route reallocation, due to the changes in the domestic marketplace, which could be expanded if United is forced to sell assets to obtain exit financing. By the way -- how come after over one year of trying -- United still does not have exit financing? Hummm......
Regards,
Chip
Chip Munn Posted on Oct 29 2003, 05:36 PM
Phew! Well, that's good...I was ready to hang up my drink cart. I know that U is a powerful money pit, just waiting to gobble up United so I am ever so thankful that they are going to allow us to remain alive for another month or two.
Phew! Well, that's good...I was ready to hang up my drink cart. I know that U is a powerful money pit, just waiting to gobble up United so I am ever so thankful that they are going to allow us to remain alive for another month or two.
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Fly,
You avoided my question. Let me ask it again in case you missed it with your emotion.
By the way -- how come after over one year of trying -- United still does not have exit financing?
Regards,
Chip
You avoided my question. Let me ask it again in case you missed it with your emotion.
By the way -- how come after over one year of trying -- United still does not have exit financing?
Regards,
Chip
Chip,
Call it what you will , (I.E.) bitching and moaning...but the fact of the matter is...We are shrinking in airlift capablity as we speak. Having 279 Acft on the books means nothing...if we continue to have more "Red Tagged" for being timed out....as the bills for them rack up. In comparison..I could ill afford an automobile payment , yet not be able to drive it to work when needed...it maybe an over-simplification? But it's a tangible comparison...It's a money pit unless it offers function and posiive end results
Not seeing the expanse of the LCC's growth is who's fault? Is it yours or mine? No !!!
Not having a fleet at full strength due to short sighted shinanigans and union busting attempts is who's fault ? is it yours or mine? No
Alienating the workforce via a series of lies and failed projections for success is who's fault? Yours or mine? It's niether !!
Chip , these guys at the top have been rewarded and tauted as worthy of 6 million dollars in bonuses plus their lavish salaries...yet look at what they have achieved...and look at what they failed to be prepared to address...this is what WE are paying for in most direct ways...and being greased to pay for more of? Tell me it isn't so PLEASE !!!
I realize that the industry dynamics have shifted...and like many I personally shifted to and fro with it...I dare not spend money for fear of what the future brings accordingly....however I will not give as I did without demanding a return on my money this time...and this time I want my pound of flesh instead of stocks and reduced benefits.
Before I say OK to anything ever again...it will have to be directly tied to Dave and his nightmare teams resignation , post haste.
Call it what you will , (I.E.) bitching and moaning...but the fact of the matter is...We are shrinking in airlift capablity as we speak. Having 279 Acft on the books means nothing...if we continue to have more "Red Tagged" for being timed out....as the bills for them rack up. In comparison..I could ill afford an automobile payment , yet not be able to drive it to work when needed...it maybe an over-simplification? But it's a tangible comparison...It's a money pit unless it offers function and posiive end results
Not seeing the expanse of the LCC's growth is who's fault? Is it yours or mine? No !!!
Not having a fleet at full strength due to short sighted shinanigans and union busting attempts is who's fault ? is it yours or mine? No
Alienating the workforce via a series of lies and failed projections for success is who's fault? Yours or mine? It's niether !!
Chip , these guys at the top have been rewarded and tauted as worthy of 6 million dollars in bonuses plus their lavish salaries...yet look at what they have achieved...and look at what they failed to be prepared to address...this is what WE are paying for in most direct ways...and being greased to pay for more of? Tell me it isn't so PLEASE !!!
I realize that the industry dynamics have shifted...and like many I personally shifted to and fro with it...I dare not spend money for fear of what the future brings accordingly....however I will not give as I did without demanding a return on my money this time...and this time I want my pound of flesh instead of stocks and reduced benefits.
Before I say OK to anything ever again...it will have to be directly tied to Dave and his nightmare teams resignation , post haste.
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AOG:
I do not like executive pay any more than anybody else, but corporate executives come and go and employees stay for the duration, in a seniority based system.
That's the way it is. We are the company, not management and if adjustments are not made, we lose not senior management.
In regard to executive compensation, JetBlue's David Neeleman owns 8% of the company and his portfolio is worth nearly $350 million, due to the dramatic run-up in JetBlue's security. Neeleman's income sort of dwarfs Dave Siegel's compensation.
By the way, name calling is sort of juvenile, isn't it?
Also noteworthy, the December pilot bid has increased block hours, thus the airline will have higher ASM's than in the fall.
Regards,
Chip
I do not like executive pay any more than anybody else, but corporate executives come and go and employees stay for the duration, in a seniority based system.
That's the way it is. We are the company, not management and if adjustments are not made, we lose not senior management.
In regard to executive compensation, JetBlue's David Neeleman owns 8% of the company and his portfolio is worth nearly $350 million, due to the dramatic run-up in JetBlue's security. Neeleman's income sort of dwarfs Dave Siegel's compensation.
By the way, name calling is sort of juvenile, isn't it?
Also noteworthy, the December pilot bid has increased block hours, thus the airline will have higher ASM's than in the fall.
Regards,
Chip
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Hippie Says: Yawn, I am bored. I am not a pilot but I play one on the PC?
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737nCH11, you sure you want to be Chip's "Jeeves"? Lots of baggage there man.
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737nCH11:
737nCh11 said: "Can I still fly if you take over IAD and MIA? Maybe we could fly together. Maybe I could carry your bags? Wow, that would be an honor. "
Chip asks: In previous posts you said you were not a pilot or a United employee. Well...which is it? Or are you being a sophist, again?
Regards,
Chip
737nCh11 said: "Can I still fly if you take over IAD and MIA? Maybe we could fly together. Maybe I could carry your bags? Wow, that would be an honor. "
Chip asks: In previous posts you said you were not a pilot or a United employee. Well...which is it? Or are you being a sophist, again?
Regards,
Chip
Chip, I don't see anyone calling you stupid, or even ill informed. But what is remembered is how you swing back and forth like metronome. People see this and respond.Chip Munn said:
I agree, we as a company must work together to solve the pressing and changing issues at hand. But just like AOG pointed out, this management team spent too much time trying to break the unions and have no regard for the employees. They change policy mid-stream almost daily to suit themselves, regardless if it breaks a signed labor contract. How can this team possibly remain and make the necessary changes required to compete, they can’t! Our competitors know this as well and if this management team is allowed to remain then I give us little hope.
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CHIP: According to the USA Today, today's edition, it said that US needs more cost cutting. How can seigal say usair needs more cost cutting when we as employees have given every nickle and dime up plus as an iam member lost a few vacation weeks? why doesnt seigal get the point that the fares need to be fixed in order to compete? Also could you may be explaing this scenario: What are the chances of USAirways surviving the SWA effect in PHL and say if Jetblue enters Pit
say next summer, what will USAir do then with pit?
say next summer, what will USAir do then with pit?
