Looks like pilot error?

[Fly]

Dangerous Cowboys......it's a wonder they haven't killed more people. Seeing that the "eye of America" is upon them, perhaps they'll finally slow down and stop cutting off others.

 

[KCFlyer]

Dangerous Cowboys......it's a wonder they haven't killed more people. Seeing that the "eye of America" is upon them, perhaps they'll finally slow down and stop cutting off others.

I'm sorry...did these pilots cut someone off on this approach?

 

[US1YFARE]

Dangerous Cowboys......it's a wonder they haven't killed more people. Seeing that the "eye of America" is upon them, perhaps they'll finally slow down and stop cutting off others.

I was on a US flight landing in LAS a few months ago and the pilot said that we were just cut off by a WN flight. I thought he was kidding. Do they really cut off other planes and how do they get away with it?

 

[KCFlyer]

I was on a US flight landing in LAS a few months ago and the pilot said that we were just cut off by a WN flight. I thought he was kidding. Do they really cut off other planes and how do they get away with it?

I doubt he was "cut off". He might have made a request to ATC, and they may have obliged. Is that a cowboy, or is it someone who figures "it never hurt to ask"? But I really doubt it's like the guy in the gray Honda "cutting off" the guy in the red Toyota.

 

[Flufdriver]

I really think SWA should change there slogan to..."Your free to move about the clearway". And for you Mr.KCFlyer, that's the dirt at the end of the runway beyond the ends of the concrete...the area your SUPPOSE to stay on. SWA seems to like these areas..BUR and now MDW. They've been damn lucky. I watched a 737 take out of JAX Florida with the sky so green and orange and lightning popping all around that we all had to wonder what was the big hurry to get to the destination. Sometimes you just have to use common sense. Also Mr KCFlyer, the next time you do taxi by me, please do wave to me so I can give you my blessings!! If you would have come with us, you might have to spend about 20 more seconds on the taxiway and if you tell the f/a your onboard I will taxi slightly off the centerline so you aren't bothered by the taxi lights. You don't feel them on a SWA airplane because the taxi speed is such that the nose is already coming off the ground!!

 

[KCFlyer]

I really think SWA should change there slogan to..."Your free to move about the clearway". And for you Mr.KCFlyer, that's the dirt at the end of the runway beyond the ends of the concrete...the area your SUPPOSE to stay on.

YOu know...nobody's perfect I guess. Why I had a friend on an AA flight that landed a wee tad SHORT of the longest runway at ORD...Guess he was REALLY being safe, huh? The gal that used to live across the street from me in Dallas was a Delta FA...she was shocked to find it was Captain Conners in control of Delta 191 on that fateful day in August, 1985. Some things are called "accidents". If you land short, long, or not at all. You other flyboys are quick to toss out the "cowboy" reference after SWA has an accident. Does that make the poor folks at the controls of one of YOUR airlines planes a cowboy when they make an error in judgement?

Sorry you don't like being passed on the taxiway. I'll bet you're one of those folks who likes to "enforce" the speed limit in the left lane of your cities freeways as well.

 

[I'mRayFlyMe]

Agree. Although I would expect that a local (Chicago Tribune) reporter should be smart enough to realize that one cannot simply plop down an aircraft at the "edge" of that 6500-foot runway--unless one plans to take out the White Castle at the northwest corner of 63rd and Cicero in the process!
Lazy reporting.

The White Castle is actually at the NORTHEAST corner of 63rd and Cicero; the northwest corner of that intersection is the southeast corner of the airport.

 

[ngneer]

There has been discussion about SWA not using autobrakes, but from the NTSB advisory: "The computer confirmed that the landing would be within the operational parameters of the airplane and Southwest's procedures, they said. Autobrakes were set on MAX, and they activated after a "firm" touchdown."

I'm confused. Does SWA use autobrakes or not?

 

[eolesen]

I'm confused. Does SWA use autobrakes or not?

Officially, no. SWA is said to be in the process of adding autobrakes to it's operating procedures, but until it's in print in the manual, it's not allowed.

What's not clear is if this pilot had been properly trained on use of autobrakes yet. What's also not clear yet is if the maintenance manual includes autobrakes as part of the normal overnight check.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

(New Year's resolution -- reduce the amount of time wasted on online forums and spend it more productively.)

Good suggestion; do you mean spending less time online overall, or less time on forums and more time on E-bay and porn - the only other reasons for the internet?

 

[Some Clown]

Officially, no. SWA is said to be in the process of adding autobrakes to it's operating procedures, but until it's in print in the manual, it's not allowed.

What's not clear is if this pilot had been properly trained on use of autobrakes yet. What's also not clear yet is if the maintenance manual includes autobrakes as part of the normal overnight check.

If it works in RTO then all other modes work too! If there is a failure of any part of the system the Amber AUTOBRAKE DISARMED light will illuminate. The M/M doesn't break the system down by specific selector positions for repair.

So yes the whole system IS maintained.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

I doubt he was "cut off". He might have made a request to ATC, and they may have obliged. Is that a cowboy, or is it someone who figures "it never hurt to ask"? But I really doubt it's like the guy in the gray Honda "cutting off" the guy in the red Toyota.

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KCF,

AS I remember the "taxi-way cronicles" (in the 80's) between Brannif and AA, I now see why WN would NEVER come to DFW.

Can you or I Imagine the "Games" that would be played,(on the DFW taxi-ways) if WN DID come to DFW ?????????????


NH/BB's

 

[Some Clown]

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KCF,

AS I remember the "taxi-way cronicles" (in the 80's) between Brannif and AA, I now see why WN would NEVER come to DFW.

Can you or I Imagine the "Games" that would be played,(on the DFW taxi-ways) if WN DID come to DFW ?????????????
NH/BB's

Sounds very professional... Too bad that "other" airlines have to resort to "playing games" when things don't go their way. Kinda reminiscent of a spoiled kid taking his toys home because he didn't get what he wanted.

Why can't you guys be more focused on how to improve your operatio rather than try to throw a wrench into ours?

By the way, I have seen our FOM and I know what the max taxi speed is supposed to be. So who made you the police judge and jury? If it works for us and apparently it has for 30+ years and safely too! Leave it alone..

You don't see our crews complaining about you guys all the time. So why the constant need to whine about us? You guys need some tissue for your issue!

 

[Rhino]

US1, ATC assigns landing sequences. At LAS ATC will begin sequencing from as far as 250NM out. Air carriers simply don't "cut in front." The US pilot was, at best, unprofessional in stating such.

I have seen carriers taxi fast on converging taxiways to get in front when ATC hasn't assigned a taxi sequence. One time a pilot said to ATC, when told to follow us, "Are you letting them in front because they're taxiing so fast"? ATC replied, "No, because you're taxiing so slowly."

Taxi speeds are an entirely separate thread. Sometimes 10 mph is too fast, sometimes 25 is too slow. FWIW a 90 degree turn can comfortably be made at a max of 13 kts groundspeed.

 

[Rhino]

Fluf, 30 kts groundspeed on long parallels, such as you described at MCI is the WN FOM max. 10-12 kts is unnecessarily slow in this instance unless one is performing duties in addition to taxiing. That 15" delay you speak of sometimes translates to several minutes when #1 takes off and now you're #2 and then a plane arrives and then center calls for 30 in trail.

It's true that carriers develop individual culture. Efficient operations need not be safe and safe operations need not be inefficient. Flight management needs to inculcate a culture, not just an FOM, that ensures this.