List all TWU accomplishments

[laughing@u]

Jeez, there coming out of the woodwork!!! That you Linda?? So what the iam did (cower, scab, assist management) at Alaska, UAL, and NWA is ok??? Give away the farm, and then blame AMFA for fighting. Typical industrial unionist action, duck, cover, run, then blame someone else. All unions lost with the latest union busting. All the twu has done is cower for the past 25 years. Hardly anything to laugh at.

As far as Linda's pay goes, I'm sure with her AA stockclerk salary and twu International, its likely 100K or more, I'll have to check if its listed or its a secret. She did nothing but bash AMFA during the card drive, and she isn't even in the craft and class. I didn't vote for her as twu International officer, and of course, neither did the twu membership. She doesn't speak for me or most of my coworkers. Just because I made a little fun of Linda doesn't mean I hate her, that's the twu's department....hate. The only losers here is the twu membership, stuck with a worthless union. Lighten up Francis.

No I am not Linda. Wrong gender. I do not blame AMFA for fighting. I blame AMFA for not knowing how to fight. As far as the duck run thing I blame AMFA for that too. AMFA represented Alaska and lost heavy maint. AMFA did not represent United when they got the bad contract but they were raiding and convinced the membership to turn down better offers for the bad one. AMFA did represent Northwest when they traded 40 % of heavy overhaul for an approx 5.00 per hour raise. The contract language was so bad AMFA could not get the mechanics that were laid off back after 911 and Northwest just contracted the work out. AMFA split the mechanics away from more than ten thousand other union employees which made the mechanics vulnerable to replacement. We know how that story ended. You stating that the real unions were ducking or running when you are blaming the IAM for AMFA's foolish actions is just laughable. As far as Linda bad mouthing AMFA. I know she did. Isn't she great! I want more like her. Get a life. If you ask her what her pay is she will probably tell you.


Laughing@u

 

[TWU informer]

So tell us laughing@u, since you claim AMFA doesn't know how to fight, and the thread is about TWU accomplishments, please indulge the details of how the TWU has fought and won any accomplishments.

You appear to have little hate within you. But disregard any of that, and tell about one single TWU fight, or list some accomplishments of the TWU? I suppose with the TWU, we are still connected and not split away as you put it, from some 35,000. Can you give an example of how being "connected" to the masses in the TWU or the AFL-CIO has benefited us or accomplished a damn thing on the bread and butter front?

My bet is you cannot factually respond to such a request. Instead, you are the typical TWU supporter who likes to hold every other union in the industry to a different standard than you are willing to hold the union you actually pays dues to on a regular basis.

Now log out, run and hide like most. In fact, get on down to Hooters and have a few on us so you can think real hard about any good things to say about the TWU.

Thanks

 

[laughing@u]

So tell us laughing@u, since you claim AMFA doesn't know how to fight, and the thread is about TWU accomplishments, please indulge the details of how the TWU has fought and won any accomplishments.

You appear to have little hate within you. But disregard any of that, and tell about one single TWU fight, or list some accomplishments of the TWU? I suppose with the TWU, we are still connected and not split away as you put it, from some 35,000. Can you give an example of how being "connected" to the masses in the TWU or the AFL-CIO has benefited us or accomplished a damn thing on the bread and butter front?

Thanks

No, it is not hate you are sensing it is low tolerance for those who actually know about the Union that represents them but chose to attempt to tear it down. It takes absolutely no skill to tear a union down and many skills to build one. I believe those that have been officers of TWU and turn against them for an organization that is just a little old mans scam have only their own interest at heart. During the last negotiations the company made an offer at the table to close down heavy maintenance. The TWU negotiating team made a motion not to accept outsourcing as a way to avoid bankruptcy. Only one person rejected that motion and he is an AMFA supporter from NY. Now what was that guy thinking? What the TWU did for me and several thousand other people was avoiding bankruptcy and protect the work we do by not allowing a change in the scope clause. They were able to do that because we are a large group that could not be easily replaced and we have influence with many politicians. Today we are second in pay in the industry after taking a big cut in pay. Why are we now second in pay? Because AMFA has been whipped at the majors they represent, forced to take bigger cuts or busted by a company that outplayed them. They are as responsible as 911 and fuel for putting the airline workforce in the position it is in. Now you can argue this all you want but the fact remains we are the only union that did not lose heavy maintenance we are still here strong and making money. When the time comes you will also see us win back what we have lost and more.

Laughing@u

 

[TWU informer]

No, it is not hate you are sensing it is low tolerance for those who actually know about the Union that represents them but chose to attempt to tear it down. It takes absolutely no skill to tear a union down and many skills to build one. I believe those that have been officers of TWU and turn against them for an organization that is just a little old mans scam have only their own interest at heart. During the last negotiations the company made an offer at the table to close down heavy maintenance. The TWU negotiating team made a motion not to accept outsourcing as a way to avoid bankruptcy. Only one person rejected that motion and he is an AMFA supporter from NY. Now what was that guy thinking? What the TWU did for me and several thousand other people was avoiding bankruptcy and protect the work we do by not allowing a change in the scope clause. They were able to do that because we are a large group that could not be easily replaced and we have influence with many politicians. Today we are second in pay in the industry after taking a big cut in pay. Why are we now second in pay? Because AMFA has been whipped at the majors they represent, forced to take bigger cuts or busted by a company that outplayed them. They are as responsible as 911 and fuel for putting the airline workforce in the position it is in. Now you can argue this all you want but the fact remains we are the only union that did not lose heavy maintenance we are still here strong and making money. When the time comes you will also see us win back what we have lost and more.

Laughing@u

That sounds about right from a TWU supporter.

Giving away 50 years of negotiated pay and benefits is neither an example of "knowing how to fight" or an "accomplishment" in my mind. What about the last 25 years? All you can list is a massive concession as fighting win? I think your concessions are exactly what forced the others into Bankruptcy. Your Industry Leading Concessions were no match for those carriers with real union men on the property. Don't forget who went first in this spiral to the bottom.

You sound like a real strong union man though, as long as you've got yours brother, then down the drain with everyone else.

AA stayed in the overhaul maintenance business because it is was in the best interest of the corporation and stock holders, not because you or any other TWU fear monger gave away the farm. But I say, the base is being spruced up real nice, attrition is elminating heads, and you and your type are using divisive tactics to seperate yousrselves from line mechanics, so we are powerless, and the end of this issue has not been laid on the table yet. So go ahead and believe that by exposing your fear, your unwillingness to fight, and giving away the farm that you have saved yourself and "thousands" of others. My bet is you have been hoodwinked, lied to, and the best for you is yet to come.

By the way, nobody was trying to "tear down" the TWU. We were simply seeking a vote of the membership to determine what Union Constitution we should work under. It is the TWU who tore down and prevented the democratic right to that decision making ballot by a working man. Similar to the Right-to-Work fight in Oklahoma, the agenda was not to win an election, the agenda was to prevent workers and citizen from ever having a ballot on the issue. This agenda, to prevent Right-to-Work from coming to a vote of the people went on for years, before the vote actually took place. We are now a Right-to-Work State so dont tell me about your political friends. You are living with rose colored glasses while your union, your standard of living, and childrens future are being completely dismantled. I find it absurd to call preventing a ballot vote on any issue a victory in the United States of America. If I remember right, even the Industry Leading Concessions we are currently working under were signed off "without further ratification" of the members. Do you see a pattern here? I do.

If it truley was the restructuring agreement that saved overhaul and the jobs, then why have we given $500 million in additional savings, along with massive job loss through attrition after the fact, with nothing coming back in return?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

AMFA did not represent United when they got the bad contract but they were raiding and convinced the membership to turn down better offers for the bad one.

When it comes to AMFA and UAL, you need to educate yourself on the ACTUAL course of events, and stop spewing TWU propaganda.

 

[laughing@u]

When it comes to AMFA and UAL, you need to educate yourself on the ACTUAL course of events, and stop spewing TWU propaganda.

Do you guys know only four or five people looked at your posts today. I remember when hundreds used to go on line and soak in the B.S. you were spewing. What happened? Do you think everybody got smart after watching you guys fail all over the country? You only asked for one thing so that’s all I gave you, but now that I think about it the TWU saved my retirement also. Damn I am proud to be part of TWU. As far as logging out and hiding. This forum or your B.S. is not really worth my time but it was fun watching you squirm. I will check in from time to time when I am bored and need a little amusement.

Laughing@u

When it comes to AMFA and UAL, you need to educate yourself on the ACTUAL course of events, and stop spewing TWU propaganda.

Oh wait,one more post. I can not resist. you said:I find it absurd to call preventing a ballot vote on any issue a victory in the United States of America. What about the vote that would have at least save 2400 jobs at NWA that your leader would not let the members vote on. Was it honorable to do that? They did finally get to vote to accept a little severance though I guess that was more important than 2400 careers.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

TWA AMT's recieved 25% of their senority if TWA's ASM's at that particular station was greater that 10% of the total AA/TWA ASM's. I fall in the category you described and I have never been bumped to the street by an ex TWAer.

< http://www.twu565.org/letters/SENIORITY%20DECISION.htm >

Tell that to the guys at LGA
:down:

 

[TWU informer]

Laughing@u
Oh wait,one more post. I can not resist. you said:I find it absurd to call preventing a ballot vote on any issue a victory in the United States of America. What about the vote that would have at least save 2400 jobs at NWA that your leader would not let the members vote on. Was it honorable to do that? They did finally get to vote to accept a little severance though I guess that was more important than 2400 careers.

My personal opinion is the vote should have been taken. You must forget that over 50% were going to be eliminated if voted on and passed. What do you figure the voting results would be on a ballot that would eliminate over 50% of the voters jobs?

Regardless, I do believe the vote should have been taken to leave no doubt and also take away the ability of concession whores like yourself to make an issue of it.

Do you have any facts or other proof to back up your claim as to the the number of readers on this forum? Or did Carmine give you those numbers in the latest Crib Notes?

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

No, it is not hate you are sensing it is low tolerance for those who actually know about the Union that represents them but chose to attempt to tear it down. It takes absolutely no skill to tear a union down and many skills to build one. I believe those that have been officers of TWU and turn against them for an organization that is just a little old mans scam have only their own interest at heart. During the last negotiations the company made an offer at the table to close down heavy maintenance. The TWU negotiating team made a motion not to accept outsourcing as a way to avoid bankruptcy. Only one person rejected that motion and he is an AMFA supporter from NY. Now what was that guy thinking? What the TWU did for me and several thousand other people was avoiding bankruptcy and protect the work we do by not allowing a change in the scope clause. They were able to do that because we are a large group that could not be easily replaced and we have influence with many politicians. Today we are second in pay in the industry after taking a big cut in pay. Why are we now second in pay? Because AMFA has been whipped at the majors they represent, forced to take bigger cuts or busted by a company that outplayed them. They are as responsible as 911 and fuel for putting the airline workforce in the position it is in. Now you can argue this all you want but the fact remains we are the only union that did not lose heavy maintenance we are still here strong and making money. When the time comes you will also see us win back what we have lost and more.

Laughing@u

The company needs to save millions more a year and implement the COLA
After they knock you down to the standard of living where you saved all the heavy maint then lets see how much you love the twu.


20K less at 7000 heads looks like AA could save 140 million a year just by implementing the COLA


After all I just want AA to save more jobs. Every loaf of bread costs the same but the houses and taxes dont.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Do you guys know only four or five people looked at your posts today. I remember when hundreds used to go on line and soak in the B.S. you were spewing. What happened? Do you think everybody got smart after watching you guys fail all over the country? You only asked for one thing so that’s all I gave you, but now that I think about it the TWU saved my retirement also. Damn I am proud to be part of TWU. As far as logging out and hiding. This forum or your B.S. is not really worth my time but it was fun watching you squirm. I will check in from time to time when I am bored and need a little amusement.

Laughing@u

So by your long drawn out stream of BS we can take away that you do indeed know nothing about the goings on at UAL.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh wait,one more post. I can not resist. you said:I find it absurd to call preventing a ballot vote on any issue a victory in the United States of America. What about the vote that would have at least save 2400 jobs at NWA that your leader would not let the members vote on. Was it honorable to do that? They did finally get to vote to accept a little severance though I guess that was more important than 2400 careers.

I never said that MORON.

Get your facts straight......oh, sorry, you're a TWU mouthpiece, you don't deal with facts.

Next time you post, try to figure out who it is you're responding to first.

 

[laughing@u]

My personal opinion is the vote should have been taken. You must forget that over 50% were going to be eliminated if voted on and passed. What do you figure the voting results would be on a ballot that would eliminate over 50% of the voters jobs?

Regardless, I do believe the vote should have been taken to leave no doubt and also take away the ability of concession whores like yourself to make an issue of it.

Do you have any facts or other proof to back up your claim as to the the number of readers on this forum? Or did Carmine give you those numbers in the latest Crib Notes?

No I just watched the visitor and member figures at the bottom of my screen. Duh!

Laughing@u

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

No, it is not hate you are sensing it is low tolerance for those who actually know about the Union that represents them but chose to attempt to tear it down. It takes absolutely no skill to tear a union down and many skills to build one. I believe those that have been officers of TWU and turn against them for an organization that is just a little old mans scam have only their own interest at heart. During the last negotiations the company made an offer at the table to close down heavy maintenance. The TWU negotiating team made a motion not to accept outsourcing as a way to avoid bankruptcy. Only one person rejected that motion and he is an AMFA supporter from NY. Now what was that guy thinking? What the TWU did for me and several thousand other people was avoiding bankruptcy and protect the work we do by not allowing a change in the scope clause. They were able to do that because we are a large group that could not be easily replaced and we have influence with many politicians. Today we are second in pay in the industry after taking a big cut in pay. Why are we now second in pay? Because AMFA has been whipped at the majors they represent, forced to take bigger cuts or busted by a company that outplayed them. They are as responsible as 911 and fuel for putting the airline workforce in the position it is in. Now you can argue this all you want but the fact remains we are the only union that did not lose heavy maintenance we are still here strong and making money. When the time comes you will also see us win back what we have lost and more.

Laughing@u

L@U,

Knowing about the twu that represents me and tearing it down is a misinterpretation on your part regarding those who post here; as well as those who are effected by the twu's "leadership".

Stating FACTS about the twu's UNdemocratic practices in the Int. level is not tearing down the twu. It is stating facts. If the twu can not stand on positive facts then perhaps the twu should fall down.

Your above statement hangs with the offensive odor of one who is afraid of the truth. You claim the company threatened to close overhaul or go to bk and only ONE person, from NY no less, fought this threat? The twu caved at first mention of a fight? You claim in the same breath that we are hard to replace. So why not fight instead of take concessions WITH NO SNAPBACK CLAUSE?

You are a typical uneducated soul who is too cowardly to stand up and state their name.

 

[laughing@u]

L@U,

Knowing about the twu that represents me and tearing it down is a misinterpretation on your part regarding those who post here; as well as those who are effected by the twu's "leadership".

Stating FACTS about the twu's UNdemocratic practices in the Int. level is not tearing down the twu. It is stating facts. If the twu can not stand on positive facts then perhaps the twu should fall down.

Your above statement hangs with the offensive odor of one who is afraid of the truth. You claim the company threatened to close overhaul or go to bk and only ONE person, from NY no less, fought this threat? The twu caved at first mention of a fight? You claim in the same breath that we are hard to replace. So why not fight instead of take concessions WITH NO SNAPBACK CLAUSE?

You are a typical uneducated soul who is too cowardly to stand up and state their name.

AMFA has not negotiated a snap back clause that actually has any value, no union in the industry has. That argument does not work any more. So you keep acting as if what you do makes a difference. I guess it makes you happy.

Laughing@u

 

[Bob Owens]

No, it is not hate you are sensing it is low tolerance for those who actually know about the Union that represents them but chose to attempt to tear it down. It takes absolutely no skill to tear a union down and many skills to build one.

Yes and we saw the TWUs union building skills in action over at Continental didnt we? What did they spend on that failed drive, another $2million like the failed drive at Delta? All that money and they lost by around the same amount as they did the last failed election, it seems that my efforts to give them the facts about the TWU were a lot more effective than all your money was. I know at least one pro-TWU Continental ramper said he changed his mind after reading my posts.

Pretty sad isnt it? Despite the fact that those workers took deep pay cuts they still chose not to go with the TWU. Once they found out what the TWU was all about thats not suprising. I would bet that well over 90% of current TWU members never voted for the TWU and if given the chance would likely vote for somebody, anybody else. Who in their right mind would want to belong to a union run by a former member of AA management who lies about having college degrees in order to impress people and conceal the facts that he has no real accomplishments as a unionist?

So how does the TWU ATD grow? Well at Eagle the company just recognized a card count, in other words the majority of the workers did not vote for the TWU THE COMPANY welcomed them in without a vote. AMRs purchase of TWA gave them another 7000 members. Eagle and AA have the same parent company, AMR, and since AMR was so happy with the industry leading concessions that the TWU had been giving AA for years then why not get them into Eagle? Better to bring in the TWU than take the risk that the workers join a real union.

What happened to the TWU drive at USAIR? That fizzled.As bad as the IAM is the TWU didnt have a chance over there. We also found out from a little incident in PHL that the TWU doesnt know how to fight the IAM. Well anyway, it seems that the TWU can only get members through some sort of default, winning elections has not been their strong point. The TWU is better at scheming with the company to prevent elections than winning them.

I believe those that have been officers of TWU and turn against them for an organization that is just a little old mans scam have only their own interest at heart. During the last negotiations the company made an offer at the table to close down heavy maintenance.

"the company made an offer at the table to close down heavy maintenance"
Sounds more like a threat than an offer. They could have simply said no, since we had a contract in place. Besides from the documents I saw it said layoffs of around 2000 mechanics, it did not say "overhaul".

The TWU negotiating team made a motion not to accept outsourcing as a way to avoid bankruptcy.

Did they vote against outsourcing or layoffs? The fact is that not only did the company get the dollar figure they sought directly through paycuts and the elimination of benifits they went on to eliminate more than the figure they presented to the Concessions committee. So as a group we alraedy doubled the concessions because the company got both, straight concessions and job eliminations. The pilots got credit for the additional savings and got back 10% the first year, what did we get? We got the TWU telling us we have to give the company even more without asking for anything in return!!!

Dont call it a negotiations committee because negotiations are give and take, in this situation the only proposed purpose of the committee was to decide how they were going to meet the companies demands for savings which was non-negotiable.

Only one person rejected that motion and he is an AMFA supporter from NY. Now what was that guy thinking?

He was thinking like a unionist. What is the purpose of a union? To establish through collective bargaining adequate wage standards, shorter hours of work and improvents in the conditions of employment for the workers in the industry.

Unionists accept there will be occasional layoffs but they must preserve the quality of the job. It was obvious that AA had overhired in the years prior to 2003, using the excuse of claiming to protect those positions, which were lost anyway, as the reason for giving away hard fought for and long standardized benifits was inexcusable. The eefects of the TWUs concessions are even more severe than what happens when a union is successfully decertified through corporate actions.

What the TWU did for me and several thousand other people was avoiding bankruptcy and protect the work we do by not allowing a change in the scope clause. They were able to do that because we are a large group that could not be easily replaced and we have influence with many politicians.

Once again, the company made the offer to meet the savings objective through job eliminations, which they later withdrew because they claimed if they went that route they could not operate their business, as it turns out that was another lie because through layoffs and attrition they have surpassed that number.

Today we are second in pay in the industry after taking a big cut in pay.

We make less than Continental and SWA. SWA is AMFA and they make around $15,000 a year more than we do.

Why are we now second in pay? Because AMFA has been whipped at the majors they represent, forced to take bigger cuts or busted by a company that outplayed them.

More twisted logic from the TWU.

They are as responsible as 911 and fuel for putting the airline workforce in the position it is in.

Hows that? Please present one iota of fact to back that statement up. We took our concessions two years prior to the AMFA battle at NWA. How is AMFA resposible for the TWUs industry leading concessions?

The fact is as far as unions go and the sad state of airline workers no organization is more at fault than the TWU.


It was the TWU that agreed to B-scale.

It was the TWU that first agreed to transferring Recieve and Dispatch to lower paid ramp workers.

It was the TWU that agreed to 12 year progressions for ground workers.

It was the TWU that agreed to replacing A&P mechanics with much lower paid SRPs.

It was the TWU that agreed to Junior Fleet Service Clerks.

It was the TWU that agreed to part timers.

It was the TWU that agreed to 25% compensation cuts, and they did so outside of BK which promted all the carriers that were in BK to seek yet another round of concessions in order to try and catch up with AA.

So, the TWUs destructive effect has not been limited to TWU members, members of other airlines have suffered thanks to the TWU since long before AMFA reemerged.

The post 9-11 collapse of the airline labor movement was in no way connected to AMFA. Clearly, when one looks at the long history of TWU industry leading concessions that eroded the foundation from every other unionized, and even non-union truck carrier out there, there is the actions of one union that stands out as a leading cause in the erosion of standards for airline workers-the TWU. When USAIR went BK in 2002 many of the concessions they sought were things the TWU had given to AA in 1983, nearly two decades earlier. For two decades unions like the IAM resisted the TWUs concessionary strategy for union growth, they paid for it. What they should have done was raid the TWU at AA twenty years ago when this all started and then today the overwhelming majority of airline workers would have been united in one union.

Because AMFA has been whipped at the majors they represent, forced to take bigger cuts or busted by a company that outplayed them.

The AMFA boys at SWA are still doing pretty well arent they?

Now you can argue this all you want but the fact remains we are the only union that did not loseheavy maintenance we are still here strong and making money.

Who is making money?Maybe TWU officers such as yourself and AA are but TWU members arent.

When the time comes you will also see us win back what we have lost and more.

And when might that time be? Jim Little claimed that we put the openers in so we could get it back in 2006, well we can see that isnt going to happen. Lets say in 2009 you get us back to where we were in 2006, well its still a paycut, in fact it comes out to about an 18% paycut thanks to inflation. Now lets compare that to a dues funded TWU International pension. Over that same period of time wher the best we could hope for is restoration of our 2003 wage in 2009 as a TWU member retired TWU officials will see their pension increased by 30%, so even after figuring in inflation they would see a real inrease of 12%.

So, now we know your motivation for coming here under the alias of Laughing@u and spreading lies and disinformation. Because as a TWU officer thats exactly what you do to the ventire membership, laugh at them as you get them paycuts and get yourself pay raises, laugh at them when you say "the union is you". Laugh at them for accepting the excuse "Well thats what the members voted for, dont blame me". Go ahead and laugh, someday will come a day of reckoning.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

AMFA has not negotiated a snap back clause that actually has any value, no union in the industry has. That argument does not work any more. So you keep acting as if what you do makes a difference. I guess it makes you happy.

Laughing@u

So because "no union in the industry" has negotiated a snap-back clause, you view that as an excuse not to even try?

You and the TWU deserve each other. You're both pathetic.