Letter from Jim LittleRE:JudgeLane’s Ruling /APAContract

[TWU informer]

So this man (James C. Little) who was appointed International TWU President shortly after signing the 2003 Concessions "without further ratification" after claiming that thousands of TWU members were unable to cast their ballots because the American Arbitration Association failed, and then exclaimed that HE was going to "fight like hell" shortly before standing outside the Bankruptcy Court claiming there was a criminal act taking place inside and that there should be yellow tape around the building, and then reversing into a no fight but capitulate posture, and then using fear to sell us out down the river one more time, and then because there is something hidden and wrong in the vote results this time and so he will not release any certified results, and now is shocked that union workers use profanity and vulgar language in an email blast to members???

Really?

Say it ain't so!

For the life of me I cannot understand why the leaders and the members would be upset.

And now you want to take these leaders out?

Go Ahead "Make My Day"

 

[Strake]

So this man (James C. Little) who was appointed International TWU President shortly after signing the 2003 Concessions "without further ratification" after claiming that thousands of TWU members were unable to cast their ballots because the American Arbitration Association failed, and then exclaimed that HE was going to "fight like hell" shortly before standing outside the Bankruptcy Court claiming there was a criminal act taking place inside and that there should be yellow tape around the building, and then reversing into a no fight but capitulate posture, and then using fear to sell us out down the river one more time, and then because there is something hidden and wrong in the vote results this time and so he will not release any certified results, and now is shocked that union workers use profanity and vulgar language in an email blast to members???

Really?

Say it ain't so!

For the life of me I cannot understand why the leaders and the members would be upset.

And now you want to take these leaders out?

Go Ahead "Make My Day"

"make my day"..... What are you implying here Dave, I know what Dirty Harry was implying.

 

[Realityck]

Next for American Airlines: Flight attendants’ contract offer vote ends Sunday

By SHERYL JEAN
Staff Writer
[email protected]
Published: 16 August 2012 09:27 PM

It’s no secret that Laura Glading, president of the union representing flight attendants at American Airlines Inc., plans to vote yes on the carrier’s last contract proposal.

“The flight attendants know that,” she said after speaking to about 150 of them Thursday at an informational meeting held by the Association of Professional Flight Attendants at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport. Flight attendants vote through Sunday morning on American’s “last, best and final” contract offer.

If flight attendants reject the offer, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane could let American throw out its existing contract and impose new terms — the same issue that American and its pilots are going through.

Lane on Wednesday denied American’s request to toss out its contract with pilots, a week after they rejected a tentative agreement with the airline.

Glading called the ruling a “scathing” decision for labor. While Lane said the carrier’s proposals for unlimited furloughs and changes to its flight codesharing were too aggressive, he agreed with virtually all of the airline’s other arguments for its business plan and is letting it revise and resubmit its request.

“At first we — and others — saw it as a denial, but when you got down to the nitty-gritty in the 111 pages [of the ruling], there was no win for labor here,” APFA spokeswoman Leslie Mayo said. “It was aligned with every other bankruptcy in the airline industry.”

Faced with a similar prospect, the APFA is making a last-minute attempt to clarify issues for the more than 16,000 flight attendants at American it represents. “This is a crystal ball we’ve been handed,” Mayo said.

American and its parent, AMR Corp., filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in November and are trying to reduce labor costs as part of their reorganization. The companies say they need about $1 billion in annual labor savings, including $842 million from its unions, to be competitive.
Pilots’ status

American on Thursday presented the Allied Pilots Association with revised proposals on codesharing and furloughs. The airline plans to file its revised request to toss its pilots’ contract under Section 1113 of the bankruptcy code on Friday.

The airline has not attempted to restart negotiations, American spokesman Bruce Hicks said Thursday. “We’re moving forward with the 1113 process at this point … so we can get the cost certainty that we need,” Hicks said.

American’s unsecured creditors’ committee said in a statement that it supports the carrier’s plans and expects its revised proposal will be “sustained” by the bankruptcy court.

“Our only hesitation is that in bankruptcy court, it’s not always that easy to turn around a filing of such a contentious nature,” Michael Derchin, an airline analyst for CRT Capital Group in Stamford, Conn., wrote Thursday in a research note. “Delay seems inevitable.”

In a letter to members on Thursday, the APFA made it clear that Lane’s decision regarding the pilots’ contract was based on two specific arguments — unlimited codesharing capabilities and unlimited furloughs — that are unique to the pilots’ group.

Most of the other arguments that were rejected were identical to the flight attendants’ arguments, the APFA said.

In the APA’s case, Lane was not persuaded by the union’s arguments on two issues that were also raised by the flight attendants — convergence (a proposal that would put workers below standard industry wages) and a union request for certain information from the airline.

“Given the fact that most of our arguments have already been dismissed in this ruling … we do not expect the court’s 1113 ruling to go in our favor should we vote to reject the [contract offer],” the APFA said.

“If the flight attendants vote ‘yes,’ we can accomplish a lot more,” Glading said. “If no, the fight continues but it will be a distraction to manage furloughs and other things.”

She was referring to American’s ability to furlough up to 2,300 flight attendants if the tentative offer is rejected and Lane allows the airline to abrogate its existing contract. If both happen, American could impose the tougher terms for flight attendants that it outlined on March 22.

Examining the offer

American hopes flight attendants “take a very careful look at the issue before them,” Hicks said.

“We believe the last, best and final offer that they’re voting on is the right thing in that it provides a number of things for the flight attendants that would not be there in the March 22 term sheet, including the early-out option that would save the jobs for several thousand people, the signing bonus, the raises, the equity claim,” he said.

Tina Krugler, a 26-year flight attendant in North Texas, said she voted for the contract.
“I voted yes mainly because of the early-out option, which I really feel will save a lot of jobs,” Krugler said. “It’s the lesser of two evils.”

Co-worker Jay Narey said he’ll vote no mainly because “I don’t want to give the company a ratified agreement while it’s still in the exclusivity period” to file a plan of reorganization by Dec. 28.

Glading said the APFA’s goal has not changed.
“The goal is to merge with US Airways and protect our rights,” she said. “I believe the way to do that is to vote yes on the last, best and final offer. Some people want to amplify the pilots’ message to management with a no vote.”

American is reviewing its strategic options, including a possible deal with US Airways, as part of its bankruptcy restructuring. In April, leaders of American’s three unions announced that they supported a merger with US Airways.
American spokesman Andrew Backover said Monday that the company plans to finish that review by or in the fall.

“Ideally, in my opinion, the merger partners should work something out in bankruptcy,” said Vaughn Cordle, managing partner of Airline Forecasts in Washington, D.C. “There’s more value to be shared by stakeholders in bankruptcy.”

 

[Strake]

So this man (James C. Little) who was appointed International TWU President shortly after signing the 2003 Concessions "without further ratification" after claiming that thousands of TWU members were unable to cast their ballots because the American Arbitration Association failed, and then exclaimed that HE was going to "fight like hell" shortly before standing outside the Bankruptcy Court claiming there was a criminal act taking place inside and that there should be yellow tape around the building, and then reversing into a no fight but capitulate posture, and then using fear to sell us out down the river one more time, and then because there is something hidden and wrong in the vote results this time and so he will not release any certified results, and now is shocked that union workers use profanity and vulgar language in an email blast to members???

Really?

Say it ain't so!

For the life of me I cannot understand why the leaders and the members would be upset.

And now you want to take these leaders out?

Go Ahead "Make My Day"

"make my day"..... What are you implying here Dave, I know what Dirty Harry was implying.

Come on Dave.... You wrote... Go Ahead "Make My Day"

What did you mean by that?

 

[Captain Reality]

Laura Glading is another example of union president failing to lead her members. The FA's should walk out like they did in 1993-1994, but now they are being lead to slaughter. If labor is ever going to win, we will have to take drastic steps to do so.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I believe it is time to take a stand and remove individuals that have used their TWU position to destroy the TWU. You also have certain elected Officers receiving TWU members money and at the same time sponsoring other organizations. This is wrong and these individuals need to resign or be removed from office.

In Solidarity,

CIO

It seems that you think the TWU is the international officers, not the membership. That thinking is precisely why unions in the USA are dwindling. Here is a union leader:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-11/hyundai-motor-faces-looming-strike-imperiling-momentum

 

[eolesen]

Laura Glading is another example of union president failing to lead her members. The FA's should walk out like they did in 1993-1994, but now they are being lead to slaughter. If labor is ever going to win, we will have to take drastic steps to do so.

Being a leader means making the decision on which hill you live and die for. Some might argue that based on what the Judge wrote this week, going to abrogation would be the real slaughter.

 

[Overspeed]

"false and misleading" = "change from within"

"false and misleading" = "shared sacrifice"

"false and misleading" = "the best is yet to come"

"false and misleading" = "fight like Hell"

"false and misleading" = accepting money from A&P job destroyers ARSA and AA Corporate for a memorial for first A&P Charles Taylor.

Hypocrite

 

[Overspeed]

Laura Glading is another example of union president failing to lead her members. The FA's should walk out like they did in 1993-1994, but now they are being lead to slaughter. If labor is ever going to win, we will have to take drastic steps to do so.

Can't strike while in BK. 700UW pointed that out as the NWA FA's tried to do that and were blocked.

 

[737823]

I have to say, I really feel bad for you guys having this (mis)leadership imposed on you who sends out such an email only when their constituents challenge their decisions whether right or wrong. It's really time for you guys to get new leadership the TWU sucks and it shows.

Are you not insulted by that message?

When and under what circumstances was the TWU elected at AA?

Josh

 

[Overspeed]

how dare anybody have an opposing opinion from Jim Little and the untouchables.
maybe someones feelings got hurt and many of us have shared feelings. It is not a crime or a violation to speak on behalf of your members. If anyone would like to come to JFK and test this theory be my guest. Bobby Gless got boo'd on stage at JFK last month. Local 562 voted no by 96% due to our local leaders talking about each article and letting them make their own informed decision based on the data and language provided us unlike other local leaders spreading fear, half truths, and the unknown for members to vote on.


48 votes is nothing to be a proud about and does not give this union bragging rights

you don't like what we say........too bad!

one of the 49.75%

Nothing like mob rule huh Chuck?

Bob is a liar. He distorts and cherry pick's facts. Yes they are facts but facts out of context is lying.

The vote happened Chuck and 48 votes decided the outcome and that's how it works. Plain and simple.

 

[Captain Reality]

Can't strike while in BK. 700UW pointed that out as the NWA FA's tried to do that and were blocked.

Yeah,and the speed limit on the interstates used to be 55 mph. How many people obeyed that law?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

I believe it is time to take a stand and remove individuals that have used their TWU position to destroy the TWU. You also have certain elected Officers receiving TWU members money and at the same time sponsoring other organizations. This is wrong and these individuals need to resign or be removed from office.

In Solidarity,

CIO

I finally agree with CIO

We should remove the people who have destroyed our careers.
who owns the contract?
who has lead us into concessionary agreements?
who has not taken a stand against the company?
who has spent our union dues on salaries and benefits for themselves
who has lowered the bar for the industry?
who blames everyone else for their shortfalls?
who is unaffected by the concessions?
who uses autonomy when it only works for them?
who uses the Presidents Council and certain individuals to do their dirty work?
who promotes dividing line and Overhaul?
who writes language for a contract after you vote?
who tells their members get past concession after concession?.............. any more

Remember CIO, you asked the question

They should resign due to failure to produce for their members
Save time and don't wait till the convention

 

[AC Tynker]

how dare anybody have an opposing opinion from Jim Little and the untouchables.
maybe someones feelings got hurt and many of us have shared feelings. It is not a crime or a violation to speak on behalf of your members. If anyone would like to come to JFK and test this theory be my guest. Bobby Gless got boo'd on stage at JFK last month. Local 562 voted no by 96% due to our local leaders talking about each article and letting them make their own informed decision based on the data and language provided us unlike other local leaders spreading fear, half truths, and the unknown for members to vote on.


48 votes is nothing to be a proud about and does not give this union bragging rights

you don't like what we say........too bad!

one of the 49.75%

Just out of curiosity is there any Union you know of out there that would condone and encourage it's Local Leaderships to try and contradict everything the International & paid Legal Professionals does or says in the BK events we have been involved in ? There is nothing more admirable than a leadership making sure that their membership is their #1 priority but in turn there is also codes of conduct that have to be followed in any organization even the Union you guys have been trying to obtain representation from, AMFA. I am pretty sure they also have a code of conduct and ethics or if not and they celebrate you the more that you that you campaign against them what would be the use of having a Union that didn't have any higher level than local. If our International didn't have an opinion on the matter then you and others would most likely be bringing that up.

 

[DNTULSA]

Nothing like mob rule huh Chuck?

Bob is a liar. He distorts and cherry pick's facts. Yes they are facts but facts out of context is lying.

The vote happened Chuck and 48 votes decided the outcome and that's how it works. Plain and simple.

My God, look who's talking!

Overspeed, you have no shame, and the truth ain't in ya.