Layoffs in PHX

[bob@las-AA]

 
 
Define smart.  You're doing a job that was never meant to make a career out of.  Thanks to your "catch all", one size fits all union - parlaying the fleet service group into a career position through manipulation of job responsibilities robbed from aircraft maintenance.  A fine job the TWU has done, that is - if you're a FSC.

Ok you guy can have the following back.
Park and pushback.
Brake riding.
Deicing.
Cockpit window cleaning. 
And since your parking the it, you can do your A check before you have to push it in 45 min.
All without additional headcount. 

 

[Vortilon]

Ok you guy can have the following back.
Park and pushback.
Brake riding.
Deicing.
Cockpit window cleaning. 
And since your parking the it, you can do your A check before you have to push it in 45 min.
All without additional headcount. 

 
Gladly....

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok you guy can have the following back.
Park and pushback.
Brake riding.
Deicing.
Cockpit window cleaning. 
And since your parking the it, you can do your A check before you have to push it in 45 min.
All without additional headcount. 

Every single position voted away by a majority of the membership in exchange for other items that they at the time felt was more valuable.

But that fact doesn't fit the particular narrative attempting to be sold here.

 

[QQAAramp]

Bob:  What AA will probably do is outsource that work to Envoy and pay them $9/hr

 

[Vortilon]

Every single position voted away by a majority of the membership in exchange for other items that they at the time felt was more valuable.

But that fact doesn't fit the particular narrative attempting to be sold here.

 
 
Funny, I don't recall voting to give up any of said items.  Oh yeah. IIRC, that vote was taken before the mechanics had their own locals.  AMTs were out numbered by baggage handlers (many of them part timers) in their own locals.  Yeah, I remember those days of having pt rampers voting on AMT contracts.  Rampers got whatever they wanted, want to go to A&P school for free? Remember that little perk that benefited only rampers.  Meanwhile many AMTs were still paying off student loans,  Or what about the poor guy on the street that took the time, money and effort to get his A&P, but some FSC upgrade took the opening - yeah that was fair.  God knows, AMTs damn sure didn't get anything in return.  Are you really sure you want to go there?  Cause I will take you on a walk of enlightenment down memory lane, plenty of bad TWU related memories to share.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
 
Funny, I don't recall voting to give up any of said items.  Oh yeah. IIRC, that vote was taken before the mechanics had their own locals.  AMTs were out numbered by baggage handlers (many of them part timers) in their own locals.  Yeah, I remember those days of having pt rampers voting on AMT contracts.  Rampers got whatever they wanted, want to go to A&P school for free? Remember that little perk that benefited only rampers.  Meanwhile many AMTs were still paying off student loans,  Or what about the poor guy on the street that took the time, money and effort to get his A&P, but some FSC upgrade took the opening - yeah that was fair.  God knows, AMTs damn sure didn't get anything in return.  Are you really sure you want to go there?  Cause I will take you on a walk of enlightenment down memory lane, plenty of bad TWU related memories to share.

Absolutely I want to go there. If you can give me that story without any emotional rants it would be even more appreciated. I hired on in May 1995. I didn't vote on that contract because I really didn't understand any of it being new. Was what you are saying still going on for that contract?

If what you are saying is true you're saying prior to my arrival Fleet had negotiating control and because of sheer numbers also had the power to vote in what happened to your group?

I want to hear this story BUT whatever you say I will take with a grain of salt unless either Overspeed or Realityck come on here and verify it? Nothing personal to you but I don't really consider you to be credible. Those two people I mentioned I do.

 

[MetalMover]

Every single position voted away by a majority of the membership in exchange for other items that they at the time felt was more valuable.

But that fact doesn't fit the particular narrative attempting to be sold here

Happened BEFORE separate mechanic locals. Fleet service were the majority. Why do you find it so difficult to understand that when fleet dominated the union, we all voted collectively and yes fleet service got to vote on mechanic wages and yes played a big part on those jobs once done my mechanics. 
Either you are in denial or just plain refuse to believe this is how it went down.
 
Apparently you do not know what happened in 1983.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob:  What AA will probably do is outsource that work to Envoy and pay them $9/hr

Dave, what I thinking is the they will increase our scope to include working side by side with AMT to do "A" checks and have them sign off our work as required by the FAA, and reduce the AMT headcount by two thirds. This way you keep it in house and save millions. And yes we can do this work
 
CFR Title 14 Chapter I Subchapter C Part 43.3 (d)
 
(d) A person working under the supervision of a holder of a mechanic or repairman certificate may perform the maintenance, preventive maintenance, and alterations that his supervisor is authorized to perform, if the supervisor personally observes the work being done to the extent necessary to ensure that it is being done properly and if the supervisor is readily available, in person, for consultation. However, this paragraph does not authorize the performance of any inspection required by Part 91 or Part 125 of this chapter or any inspection performed after a major repair or alteration.
 

 
 
Funny, I don't recall voting to give up any of said items.  Oh yeah. IIRC, that vote was taken before the mechanics had their own locals.  AMTs were out numbered by baggage handlers (many of them part timers) in their own locals.  Yeah, I remember those days of having pt rampers voting on AMT contracts.  Rampers got whatever they wanted, want to go to A&P school for free? Remember that little perk that benefited only rampers.  Meanwhile many AMTs were still paying off student loans,  Or what about the poor guy on the street that took the time, money and effort to get his A&P, but some FSC upgrade took the opening - yeah that was fair.  God knows, AMTs damn sure didn't get anything in return.  Are you really sure you want to go there?  Cause I will take you on a walk of enlightenment down memory lane, plenty of bad TWU related memories to share.

Because we work cheap. 
 
It is better to embrace the reality of the future of the AMT, and the ones that perform heavy. I think within a 5 year time, all of the overall maint will be done just like all the other airlines.  

 

[WeAAsles]

Happened BEFORE separate mechanic locals. Fleet service were the majority. Why do you find it so difficult to understand that when fleet dominated the union, we all voted collectively. 
Either you are in denial or just plain refuse to believe this is how it went down.

I'm not in any denial. I wasn't with the company before 95. So tell me EXACTLY how things went down back then. How things worked and how you got to where you are now?

I know the story well or at least two sides of it from 01 on. Give me the story before and up to the last voted on contract of 95?

I think you're fairly reputable Metal.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
 
Funny, I don't recall voting to give up any of said items.  Oh yeah. IIRC, that vote was taken before the mechanics had their own locals.  AMTs were out numbered by baggage handlers (many of them part timers) in their own locals.  Yeah, I remember those days of having pt rampers voting on AMT contracts.  Rampers got whatever they wanted, want to go to A&P school for free? Remember that little perk that benefited only rampers.  Meanwhile many AMTs were still paying off student loans,  Or what about the poor guy on the street that took the time, money and effort to get his A&P, but some FSC upgrade took the opening - yeah that was fair.  God knows, AMTs damn sure didn't get anything in return.  Are you really sure you want to go there?  Cause I will take you on a walk of enlightenment down memory lane, plenty of bad TWU related memories to share.

Funny, I don't recall voting to get any of said items. Maybe you have a copy of the contract I voted on that said I will take them.

 

[AANOTOK]

Some of these AMT's are starting to give me a "inferiority complex". I almost feel horrible being a bag smasher.

 

[WeAAsles]

Funny, I don't recall voting to get any of said items. Maybe you have a copy of the contract I voted on that said I will take them.

AANOTOK you have more time than me. So you're saying fleet did not negotiate for maintenance? Did Fleet decide items for mechanics that they then were left to vote on?

Did our group negotiate their work over to us?

 

[AANOTOK]

Nope. But if you talk to Bob Owens, he says we did indirectly...Maybe he can explain it. Anything I voted on was for Fleet. Didn't mention mechanic and related. Didn't say I will take anything from them. And I (as fleet) did not decide their pay.
 
But if you listen to some of these guys, fleet ruined their lives! And I always thought I was the coattail rider. Now it seems I was calling the shots and they were hanging on.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Mechanic and Related, wanted this splintering off.

 

[AANOTOK]

Oh, and I hired in as a "B" scale part timer...strike two!