Layoffs in PHX

I was told by a manager that the company had tried to have work done on US and AA aircraft by each other unions members but that the TWU 591 gang balked too. There was some scheduled work done by the IAM AMTs on AA 319s in CLT with the IAM/US AMTs considered as contractors. The company wanted to have reciprocal agreements and GP said no it was a negotiations item according to the manager. Actually makes sense as I believe the IAM/US agreement doesn't allow for contractors to do scheduled line work. Scope is a major issue to all of us and should be negotiated by the representative of the merged AA AMTs.
 
Unfortunately the AA PHX AMTs got caught up in the scope language of both the TWU and IAM as it is written.
 
Overspeed said:
Unfortunately the AA PHX AMTs got caught up in the scope language of both the TWU and IAM as it is written.
Click to expand...
Two shitty unions that care more about protecting their own and their dues income than protecting union members.

Mechanics at AA and US aren't represented by "unions," they merely belong to expensive social clubs whose biggest "benefit" is lower wages for the employer.
 
FWAAA said:
Two shitty unions that care more about protecting their own and their dues income than protecting union members.

Mechanics at AA and US aren't represented by "unions," they merely belong to expensive social clubs whose biggest "benefit" is lower wages for the employer.
Click to expand...
Maybe what you don't understand is that providing the company with a Reciprocation or Helping Hands agreement where the two groups could be cross utilized only benefits the company and then leaves nothing left in negotiations that the company needs to acquire.

Essentially it makes their operation more difficult with redundancies. The IAM decided to forgo that piece to obtain CBA's for their groups while the TWU had and currently has no motivation to do so.

It's the only motivator that WE have for the company to bargain in good faith and maybe come to an expeditious conclusion in the JCBA talks.
 
WeAAsles said:
Maybe what you don't understand is that providing the company with a Reciprocation or Helping Hands agreement where the two groups could be cross utilized only benefits the company and then leaves nothing left in negotiations that the company needs to acquire.

Essentially it makes their operation more difficult with redundancies. The IAM decided to forgo that piece to obtain CBA's for their groups while the TWU had and currently has no motivation to do so.

It's the only motivator that WE have for the company to bargain in good faith and maybe come to an expeditious conclusion in the JCBA talks.
Click to expand...
I figured that you'd be here to defend your shitty unions. Can't figure out how to negotiate with the employer? Use the members as cannon fodder, err, leverage.

Had the IAM simply stepped aside (as the TWU represented three to four times the number of mechanics and related), the mechanics at AA and US would be in the same union and, like the FAs, would probably have a combined seniority list by now.
 
FWAAA said:
I figured that you'd be here to defend your shitty unions. Can't figure out how to negotiate with the employer? Use the members as cannon fodder, err, leverage.

Had the IAM simply stepped aside (as the TWU represented three to four times the number of mechanics and related), the mechanics at AA and US would be in the same union and, like the FAs, would probably have a combined seniority list by now.
Click to expand...



Are you even an employee of either Airline? The IAM chose not to step aside. The AFL/CIO chose to get involved. And the TWU leader at that time chose to form an Association with the IAM. What is, what was and what could have been is irrelevant. We are now where we are. You deal with the issues as they stare at you in your face.

The CWA is also in the position that there are not reciprocal work agreements in place to cross utilize their group and they seem to be moving along fine for their negotiations to be done by the end of the year (or maybe even summer)

Now personally aren't you a former member or friend of the X management team that was at AA? With the fact that the Unions on property at the time were somewhat responsible for getting many of them chucked out on their collective arses, I would suspect you're not a fan of ANY of the in house NEW AA unions anyway?
 
FIRE THEM GUYS!!! GOOD GOD WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU GUYS TO GET A FREAKIN CLUE?  BTW--FIRE WEASELS TOO, HE'S A MORON WITHOUT A CLUE...
 
OldGuy@AA said:
Watched the town hall from PHX today and an AA AMT said that 4 AA AMTs were being laid off but US Air was hiring 40 AMTs.  They said the AA AMTs were offered spots at US Air but I'm guessing it would be as a new hire and they would have to give up all their seniority.  They said since there are two different unions on the property they cannot keep the AA guys and hire less US Air guys since we can't work on theirs and they can't work on ours.  Thanks IAM for refusing to do the right thing and step away.  I'm also guessing the PHX guys who get laid off get their choice of JFK or LGA.  Anyone know any particulars?
Click to expand...
"They said" is always the preamble to a half truth. After closing PHX, US FSC were working on AA metal,meanwhile clerks with 28-30 years had to get out of Dodge. Sec.3 Art H lines 28-34, is for the FSC, and I'm willing to bet a shiny new silver dollar the the same provision is in the mechanics CBA,
 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7qadFaPIn_uZmJuRVZHbTZ1ZHc/view?usp=sharing
 
WeAAsles said:
Do a search on the net. It's all out there, in writing. You just have to put it together. If you're smart enough? It's all there.
Click to expand...
 
It's all out there?  You mean like our last contract?  Now that's funny.  I can't say I blame the guy.  He is smart enough not to trust anything put out by the IAM or TWU - let alone the company.
 
swamt said:
FIRE THEM GUYS!!! GOOD GOD WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU GUYS TO GET A FREAKIN CLUE?  BTW--FIRE WEASELS TOO, HE'S A MORON WITHOUT A CLUE...
Click to expand...
 

What People Think When You Type in All Caps
 
People who type in all capital letters are often an irritant to others who are reading what they have written. This may not be fair but it’s the case. That’s because there are a lot of assumptions that people make about what it means that someone is typing in ALL CAPS. We don’t have the benefit of being able to read body language when reading something online so we have to do what we can to infer a person’s meaning based just on the words they’ve shared and the way that they’ve written them. We might be making the wrong inferences but there are some common things that we are likely to believe if someone has sent us a message in all caps.
Here are some of the assumptions that people will make when you send them an email (or write an article) that is entirely capitalized:

http://kathrynvercillo.hubpages.com/hub/What-People-Think-When-You-Type-in-All-Caps
 
Thanks. Looks like they would be new hires, drug test and all that comes with it except for probation, and get placed on pay step in accordance their occupational seniority from AA. They would have a new hire seniority date until the integration, JCBA, and regain their previous occupational seniority after integration. Thanks for the post. Its on the 591 website if anyone wants to view it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

S
567 lays down on members (Captain Smirnoff Strikes Again)
Replies
4
Views
2K
dfw gen
D
R
Will US hire in PHX anytime soon?
Replies
10
Views
4K
redheadtempe33
R
M
Invols to PHX or bump and flush
2
Replies
21
Views
3K
Whatnow?
Whatnow?
Hopeful
Bumping Time!
2
Replies
16
Views
2K
Bob Owens
B
J
Nwa Mechanics Lose Layoff Dispute
2 3
Replies
37
Views
3K
Calvin
C

Latest posts

Back
Top