Labor And Management
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I took pay cuts each time labor did and then my job (in mgmt) was eliminated. Along with hundreds of other I knew that suffered the same fate. People that worked as hard as any labor member, and considered this company their life. Gone with nothing more than a call to the bosses office regarding a directive for every dept to eliminate a third of headcount in an effort for the co. survive.
So labor is asked to give also. If it is smart is will concede what is ineffecient and uncompetitive first and foremost. Or it can resist, refuse or choose to say I will not change or give back anything. Because of us against them mentality.
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openview,
We need good management at all levels. There is nothing wrong with being management. Good management people are needed. I have and will continue to be very loyal and dedicated to good supervisors and managers, but I believe a majority of the Mechanics will not accept any more cuts. For their profession it is just not worth it for such a crummy job in a hostile work environment. I can not speak for other labor groups, but I think most people working at "U" are ready for it to be over. Unless they are one of the select few to get wealthy with plunder or they are one of the ones that are over employed to begin with.
--The company wants to fight (re-Airbus and misc. other issues) then they can take the results of the fight. What did Dave think was going to happen.? Did they think the IAM was just going to take it. In a fight normally both sides get beaten up and there normally is only one winner. I say play till the death. If Dave wants he could throw in the towel. Me I just want to see the gloves taken off and get the action really interesting. A few teeth may get knocked out, but they can not take away your birthday.
We need good management at all levels. There is nothing wrong with being management. Good management people are needed. I have and will continue to be very loyal and dedicated to good supervisors and managers, but I believe a majority of the Mechanics will not accept any more cuts. For their profession it is just not worth it for such a crummy job in a hostile work environment. I can not speak for other labor groups, but I think most people working at "U" are ready for it to be over. Unless they are one of the select few to get wealthy with plunder or they are one of the ones that are over employed to begin with.
--The company wants to fight (re-Airbus and misc. other issues) then they can take the results of the fight. What did Dave think was going to happen.? Did they think the IAM was just going to take it. In a fight normally both sides get beaten up and there normally is only one winner. I say play till the death. If Dave wants he could throw in the towel. Me I just want to see the gloves taken off and get the action really interesting. A few teeth may get knocked out, but they can not take away your birthday.
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Is that me being refered to as Saint Peter...
Pitguy: Don't know anything about the mech. contracts although I know several personally. And I don't know what concessions where given or if they should be. But the co. is in freefall. The hostile work envir. felt is caused by competition. And thats resulting in many positions being overemployed.
Pitguy: Don't know anything about the mech. contracts although I know several personally. And I don't know what concessions where given or if they should be. But the co. is in freefall. The hostile work envir. felt is caused by competition. And thats resulting in many positions being overemployed.
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i have resisted, until now, commenting... do you honestly think that usair can compete effectively and efficaciously with our current labor contracts? the answer is "no!" do you honestly think that your current wages will be realized in a market that competes with LCC? you are dreaming!!!!!!!!!! the question is: do you want a job or an airline to work for? that is the question, the only question!
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legacy-to-LCC,
"do you honestly think that usair can compete effectively and efficaciously with our current labor contracts?"
I've asked this question of others who said much the same thing and so far have no answers, so I'll ask you. What provision is which contract is preventing us from being competitive?
In my case, a typical 4-day trip entails 20-21 hours of flying (if no delays). In that same time period, the company could have me fly 27-30 hours while complying with the FAR's and contract. They choose not to.
Jim
"do you honestly think that usair can compete effectively and efficaciously with our current labor contracts?"
I've asked this question of others who said much the same thing and so far have no answers, so I'll ask you. What provision is which contract is preventing us from being competitive?
In my case, a typical 4-day trip entails 20-21 hours of flying (if no delays). In that same time period, the company could have me fly 27-30 hours while complying with the FAR's and contract. They choose not to.
Jim
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Open veiw states: So labor is asked to give also. If it is smart is will concede what is ineffecient and uncompetitive first and foremost. Or it can resist, refuse or choose to say I will not change or give back anything.mweiss said:
mweiss,
You have got to learn how to read....
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Hey, PITbull,
You do realize that impoverishing the US union employees is not Siegel's goal, right? He wants to cut costs without doing the hard work necessary to do it right. Impoverished workers are a side-effect, not the goal.
You do realize that impoverishing the US union employees is not Siegel's goal, right? He wants to cut costs without doing the hard work necessary to do it right. Impoverished workers are a side-effect, not the goal.
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OK, I've about had enough of your personal attacks. Seriously.PITbull said:
Yes, if you take that sentence out of context, it can be interpreted as you did. However, in the context of the paragraph preceeding it, it is very clear that there was an implicit "more" in the quoted sentence. In other words, he's not saying you never gave anything, but he's saying that you can choose to refuse to give anything else.
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mweiss,
Are you on these boards playing some pychological "war games"? Don't put words that don't exist in someone's writings... Again, I ask...
Who are you?
The very, exact, singular, point is:
THE WORKER IS COLLATERAL DAMGAGE TO THE GOAL OF MAXIMISING SHAREHOLDER VALUE AT THE EXPENSE AND VALUE OF THE WORKER!
Are you on these boards playing some pychological "war games"? Don't put words that don't exist in someone's writings... Again, I ask...
Who are you?
The very, exact, singular, point is:
THE WORKER IS COLLATERAL DAMGAGE TO THE GOAL OF MAXIMISING SHAREHOLDER VALUE AT THE EXPENSE AND VALUE OF THE WORKER!
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Nope.PITbull said:
Thus far I've told much more about me than you have about you. Probably more than I should. What else do you need to know????
Often, though not universally true. Certainly that appears to be Siegel's view. The overall satisfaction that CO, AS, and WN employees seem to have suggests that the employees don't necessarily have to be collateral damage. I suspect B6 employees feel the same way, though I have never met any.
Do you really look at the entire world as proletariat versus bourgeois?
Pitbull, Those are ruthless statements to make towards this management team. I am sure that they do not appreciate this type of commentary. You should amend your emotional diatribes as they are beginning to show the distress and disentanglement within your union. The AFA members are willing to do whatever is needed to protect the franchise.PITbull said:
The aviation employment market dictates what potential employees are willing to accept for salaries. The LCCs influx of resumes each year demonstrates that a large majority is willing to accept jobs that are commensurate on the low end of the salary scale. Those same job applicants that are lining up by the hundreds at job fairs for the LCCs to work for $9 are the same ones that would be more than happy to work at this company and replace the current workforce. This is the harsh reality of the aviation industry and 9/11 has changed the way that we all conduct business. The vast majority of the employees must be willing to change and accept the lower wages, if not, there could be future furloughs. MAA wages could be the model for ML.
If I were an IAM member I would contact my local union officials and advise them to negotiate with the company. Now is the time to strike a deal on the outsourcing issue. As one poster stated on this board recently, there could be consequences for this group if they do not agree to work rule changes and permit the company to keep the maintenance in-house versus outsourcing the work.
