JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

I've said it once and I will say it again, I want the medical LUS has and so do many I talk to.
But as I have stated, my medical not going down to theirs is NOT a non starter for me. It alone
will not prevent me from voting yes on a JCBA. Of the many folks I talk to, most are in my boat and
surprisingly many don't even know it's an issue or know anything about their cheaper medical. I will also go on record as saying I disagree with W when he says there will be an agreement with ours going down and theirs going up. OURS will not be going down. That IS a non starter with AA in my opinion. Can the IAM leadership prevent there ever being a JCBA vote without getting the medical price they want, don't know, I would assume they can.
Finally, with the lack of support we (TWU) have seen from the IAM leadership in regards to pressuring AA with around the country picketing and nothing being publicly published by them about the upcoming "huge" HDQ demonstration, it takes the sting out of the medical issue being a non starter for me, unfortunately.

Seems most fall into your thought process.

 

[WeAAsles]

I actually didn't know that it wasn't contractual. So the best coverage plan, at least imo, but most expensive plan could be gone without notice if they choose. Not to beat a dead horse but do you know the % for value

Actually mathematically all in if you do the comparisons I think the Standard plan has become the cheaper option? It just has more of a sticker shock if you have to pay a chunk more in one shot.

Besides I think the Company has been raising the price on the Value plan to try and eventually ween us off it.

 

[charlie Brown]

CB if you can get me a folder full of those comparison sheets I’d be more than willing to get them out to our TWU (Fleet Service Clerk) Members here in Miami. Whether or not it pans out we can at least try to propel some momentum on the issue.

And stop calling us Agents. It’s not official yet until the ink

What's scoop? Is that scope that will look like poop?
So, what are the seniority integration agreement? How ill they deal with leads/Crew chiefs, inspectors MC etc...? CB hinted to a .30 an hour raise. surely that's a slap in the face for fleet folks, is it not?
I would beg to differ that the seniority issues with how to place leads, crew chiefs, inspectors, MC and others that do it 2 totally different ways is not cleared up yet. If it is which way did they say they were agreeing to go with, LAA's way (DOH) or IAM way (cat seniority)? Now I would tend to believe that the integration seniority for regular mechanics is agreed upon, but not where the differences are within certain groups, and this affects all groups not just mechanics.

Swamt
The seniority we briefed on was just pertaining to the fleet group. I do know the mechanics were still working on seniority issues all week last week in NYC. I know progress was made, but don’t know which ways they went on those issues. And also the .30 cent a hour raise was only Fleet. And yes it was definitely a smack in the face.

 

[AANOTOK]

#1 some of you guys would make absolutely TERRIBLE Negotiators.

#2 I have so far read only ONE person claiming that the crappy more expensive Medical costs are a “non starter” and that person is on here and NOT in any of our negotiations.

AANOTOK find me ANYTHING in writing where a PMAA Company Negotiator has spoken about the Medical in any way shape or form publicly or especially that STUPID “non starter” phrase?

Just like FAKE MEDIA you say something enough times and people start to buy into it. Not me bro.

Ok W, when our NC brings back a JCBA and you still see the medical we have, you better damn well tell every one of them they are terrible negotiators if that is what you are basing your reply off of. Secondly, do you have any clue what IMO means. I have zero documentation, zero. That's why it's an opinion. Guess what W, I've been wrong before and didn't have to spin it, I was man enough to admit it. Thirdly, really don't care who you have read...I have spoken to folks and what I wrote in my previous post is what was said.

 

[charlie Brown]

WeAAsles
So you want me to mail it to you? Text me a address. It’s hard to read, because all I have is a copy. But I’ll be glad to send it down.

 

[AANOTOK]

Seems most fall into your thought process.

Can't be NYer, W has not seen it anywhere!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Article 41: "The Company will provide two medical plan options, a Standard medical plan option and a Core medical plan option...Plan design features and other plan provisions in the Core medical plan option (which are not incorporated into this agreement) may change at Company discretion and advance notice of any changes will be provided to the TWU prior to implementation."

One thing you dont want is our part time language. It was pretty good except our latest few agcs reinterpreted the language (same language) and screwed us all.

 

[NYer]

Can't be NYer, W has not seen it anywhere!

W will defend the TWU and repeat what they want us to consider. He defends them to the detriment of everyone else. That is why his position changes and why his arguments sometimes contradict each other. When he can't make a case for his position then he lowers the bar to name calling.

You know he was on everyone's case when he kept telling us this process would be quick and ignored all the arguments to the contrary. Now, he seems to be arguing the opposite and that this may take longer, and it should, so we can all get the IAM medical or at least lower the 21% share we currently have.

Remember he thought we would be done last February, then it was the spring, then August, then the Fall....he just repeats what his friends say and does very little of his own analysis. He's a follower.

 

[NYer]

One thing you dont want is our part time language. It was pretty good except our latest few agcs reinterpreted the language (same language) and screwed us all.

We hope we don't get the PT language in the medical, the retirement, OT, work schedules....ect.

 

[charlie Brown]

One thing you dont want is our part time language. It was pretty good except our latest few agcs reinterpreted the language (same language) and screwed us all.

Ok. Again let me post some facts for the spin doctor on original pt language concerning back to back. And language in our current contract of 2014.

99 agreement language ( first LUS agreement)

“The company will not schedule pt employees within the same duty assignment back to back where the work requirement can be covered by a SINGLE full time employee.”

14 agreement:
Read above language from 99 agreement.
It is the exact same language.

If you notice the word SINGLE ft shift. So this would relate to any 4 or 5 hour pt shifts. Not 6.5 hour pt shifts. And yes we have fought it. Tim knows we have. He even text me and said good luck that’s a tough one. I’m sure he doesn’t remember, but I still have the text.

 

[Insatiable]

One thing you dont want is our part time language. It was pretty good except our latest few agcs reinterpreted the language (same language) and screwed us all.

That is true.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok W, when our NC brings back a JCBA and you still see the medical we have, you better damn well tell every one of them they are terrible negotiators if that is what you are basing your reply off of. Secondly, do you have any clue what IMO means. I have zero documentation, zero. That's why it's an opinion. Guess what W, I've been wrong before and didn't have to spin it, I was man enough to admit it. Thirdly, really don't care who you have read...I have spoken to folks and what I wrote in my previous post is what was said.

“Must haves” and “Non starters” are Company words. They are Company words unfortunately being spread by someone who “claims” to be Union.

Funny thing is again I haven’t even seen the Company use those words.

I HAVE though in the last few years seen Contract items and improvements that came completely out of left field. Left field has become more of the norm than the occasional.

 

[WeAAsles]

Can't be NYer, W has not seen it anywhere!

I don’t have (And am not) reading what he writes to recognize the narrative. It never deviates even when he’s been wrong so incredibly often.

I’ve actually lost count now.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles
So you want me to mail it to you? Text me a address. It’s hard to read, because all I have is a copy. But I’ll be glad to send it down.

Let’s talk when I get the chance. I have some ideas if you guys need it.

 

[Albert]

Ok W, when our NC brings back a JCBA and you still see the medical we have, you better damn well tell every one of them they are terrible negotiators if that is what you are basing your reply off of. Secondly, do you have any clue what IMO means. I have zero documentation, zero. That's why it's an opinion. Guess what W, I've been wrong before and didn't have to spin it, I was man enough to admit it. Thirdly, really don't care who you have read...I have spoken to folks and what I wrote in my previous post is what was said.

Hope you didn't hurt the Weez's feelings he was coming to Bear creek on Thursday to drink beer with you all