JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

CB if you can get me a folder full of those comparison sheets I’d be more than willing to get them out to our TWU (Fleet Service Clerk) Members here in Miami. Whether or not it pans out we can at least try to propel some momentum on the issue.

And stop calling us Agents. It’s not official yet until the ink drys.

While your at it, love to see what the company is trying to take away. Medical is what
I hear the IAM is focused on (I know, there is more) but how about letting us know what jobs
they want, maybe those are from the TWU side. Medical is specific, lets hear the specifics on
fleet outsourcing. Prez says it's more than the AA letter stated (deicing, catering).

 

[cltrat]

AANOTOK don't you guys do cabin cleaning? we don't here so I'm sure that's one

 

[Steve Walegir]

Steve I need to point out here that NYer is not in the Negotiations and really has no idea for certainty what the position on the Medical issue is to the US AIRWAYS Management team. LAA was essentially taken over by Doug Parker and team.

Some confusion to IAM people I’ve been told is because this man NYer may not be willing to put up a fight for the IAM Medical that means we all feel the same way. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Our Medical costs suck. We just got used to them sucking cause so many others out there suck too. We don’t really have to completely always accept the suck. I think we should at least put in some effort for better.

One more time. LAA no longer exists and NYer is not one of our TWU Negotiators.

Well aware who is who on here. Just being internet polite and address people by what they call themselves online. NY should be on the negioations team, I've pretty much known him since I started with LAA . I as well as everyone else are keenly aware of your two history and I'm not getting involved in that one. I don't always agree with him but I rarely do with most people. He could be a tremendous asset

 

[NYer]

Thanks NY, my point isn't that I'm expecting to get their medical but just saying if the association made it clear and public they were determined to get it I'd have more patience in waiting. Were survey results ever released in Miami? Pretty sure they weren't in dfw. Or at least no one I've spoken to has seen them. I personally expect a compromise on medical. Hopefully we come down from out current 21%

Don't believe so.

The 21% being lowered is unlikely unless the Company is willing to bring it down for every single other group.

Analysts and Wall Street are already concerned about the costs going up, especially as compared to Delta, and that impacts the stock price which is ultimately the barometer used by corporations in their decision-making process.

Legally, they have a fiduciary relationship with the stockholders and decisions are based on that criteria.

 

[AANOTOK]

AANOTOK don't you guys do cabin cleaning? we don't here so I'm sure that's one

No rat, that was outsourced during the BK contract. They also wanted some of our bagroom jobs, bag transfer jobs and all of cargo. We kept five cargo cities. All the jobs I mentioned are high seniority jobs, especially here in DFW.
It seems they want to force seniority to the ramp or into retirement. The BK contract looked that way anyway.

 

[Steve Walegir]

Don't believe so.

The 21% being lowered is unlikely unless the Company is willing to bring it down for every single other group.

Analysts and Wall Street are already concerned about the costs going up, especially as compared to Delta, and that impacts the stock price which is ultimately the barometer used by corporations in their decision-making process.

Legally, they have a fiduciary relationship with the stockholders and decisions are based on that criteria.

Isn't the TWU paying the highest percentage of any union on property?

 

[Tim Nelson]

You have to call me because you don’t have a clue what is being said. And you are intentionally giving wrong information to our members!! Why?? Call get it right!! And your example of the insurance proves my point. I’ll be glad to go to Ord break rooms as long as Murphy is on with that. I was just in Dfw break room other day and had dozens of twu agents listening to me brief. I never said the agents dont want it, again wrong info. Of course they do. I even made copies of comparison for them to pass to their members. I stated my frustrations about the insurance was the twu guys in the negotiations didn’t seem that concerned about our insurance, and we need to all. E fighting for it. But I’m glad to say, that seems to be changing the last few sessions. Seems like the twu,s agents biggest issue with our insurance is lack of knowledge on what it is. That’s why I put some comparison sheets out.
And Tim. I know your not going to call me and get the correct info! Why? Because like I said in the email, you don’t want to. You want to deliberately deceive the membership and spin to where it stirs a few people up. Like I said the true story wouldn’t have got anyone excited about what was said. And don’t tak to me about building solidarity! You don’t have a clue. Solidarity starts with supporting your union brothers at the negotiating table. Have you ever done that? No. Hell if it was up to you, our members wouldn’t even be under our standalone agreement that we have now. You wanted to axe those talks and go straight to joint talks. I’m sure hundreds of people out there that still have jobs today are glad that the negotiating team didn’t listen to your ideas back then. Tell those people whose jobs were saved by that contract about your solidarity.
By the way. Can you email me our scope language that we have agreed to already. I would like to look it over. I’ll be waiting for it. Thx.

That was funny. Kindly dig up any past post on here where i wasnt pushing you guys for stand alone. You wont find one.

At any rate, when you and the other negotiators decide to unify along a picket line, then ill see that you are no longer stalling. And along the way management may actually start bending. Win for twu and win for iam.

Ill be pushing you guys to do the right thing and join the rest of us on the line, and im sure ill push you to do so. Im counting on ya!

 

[swamt]

swamt, it was a fleet specific briefing so no ideal about mx. Seniority was said to be agreed on as was ot and other things.
The things left are the meat of the contract, insurance, scoop and pay

What's scoop? Is that scope that will look like poop?
So, what are the seniority integration agreement? How ill they deal with leads/Crew chiefs, inspectors MC etc...? CB hinted to a .30 an hour raise. surely that's a slap in the face for fleet folks, is it not?
I would beg to differ that the seniority issues with how to place leads, crew chiefs, inspectors, MC and others that do it 2 totally different ways is not cleared up yet. If it is which way did they say they were agreeing to go with, LAA's way (DOH) or IAM way (cat seniority)? Now I would tend to believe that the integration seniority for regular mechanics is agreed upon, but not where the differences are within certain groups, and this affects all groups not just mechanics.

 

[swamt]

SW
Not sure if I'm the moron you speak of, if your opinion is to only have the NC know the results that's fine. Historically the twu going into section 6 would inform the membership in generalities what they were originally going in asking for.

No sir you are not the moron I was referring to. CB knows. NC and AMFA National were aware. Membership was in fact notified in person and one on one for whom ever wanted to see the info. It just was not published for the company's eyes. Not to say some of our company sucks didn't run to the company and give them all the info in private as they always do, and still do as recent as last week, it's sad but true.

 

[bob@las-AA]

And the big brilliant idea that we had been chocking the wheels on MD80's wrong and to start chocking the inside tire not the outside tire. Well a few cracked open skulls later we are back to chocking the outside tire

Don't forget the non-skid tape at the doors of the 757, ahh yes good times.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well aware who is who on here. Just being internet polite and address people by what they call themselves online. NY should be on the negioations team, I've pretty much known him since I started with LAA . I as well as everyone else are keenly aware of your two history and I'm not getting involved in that one. I don't always agree with him but I rarely do with most people. He could be a tremendous asset

The history is irrelevant Steve. There are some on the IAM side that believe he is a spokesperson for the TWU’s opinion on the Medical issue and it needs to be pointed out that he is not. This is for them to know and understand.

Otherwise the other issue you mention has been covered to death and I recently placed him on ignore here and Block on FB because I’m done with our engagements.

 

[robbedagain]

thank cb appreciate the answer

Tim even if he not in the same room I would believe that Regan keeps them informed of everything and I mean every thing pertatining to the talks

 

[Steve Walegir]

The history is irrelevant Steve. There are some on the IAM side that believe he is a spokesperson for the TWU’s opinion on the Medical issue and it needs to be pointed out that he is not. This is for them to know and understand.

Otherwise the other issue you mention has been covered to death and I recently placed him on ignore here and Block on FB because I’m done with our engagements.

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do
Shame the banter has been put on suspension, it was somewhat entertaining at times

 

[Steve Walegir]

Don't forget the non-skid tape at the doors of the 757, ahh yes good times.

I can just see the pencil pusher in Tempe who thought those were good ideas. Probably a meth-head from South Scottsdale

 

[Steve Walegir]

No sir you are not the moron I was referring to. CB knows. NC and AMFA National were aware. Membership was in fact notified in person and one on one for whom ever wanted to see the info. It just was not published for the company's eyes. Not to say some of our company sucks didn't run to the company and give them all the info in private as they always do, and still do as recent as last week, it's sad but true.

Thank you for the clarification, and unfortunately that sad behavior of some is all to rampant in unions today