JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

As a twu member I'd love to have the IAM medical. And as a matter of fact if the association came out and said publicly they 100% wanted it and wouldn't take less but it will delay a jcba I wouldn't have a problem with it. But my problem is that on the twu side we've never been told exactly what they went in asking for. We were given surveys a few years back asking us to rank by importance what ment most to us. As far as I'm aware of the results of those surveys weren't released. All I've heard was pick the best of both contracts, then industry leading contract. But never anything specific. Back in or around 2006,7,8 I forget exactly when the twu started the failed contract negotiations that ultimately lead to BK I attended a meeting at the 513 hall and Tony Novellio(probably misspelled that) listed everything we were asking for, line by line. Now I realize this situation is more complicated in joining two unions into one but no specific details about exactly what is being asked for is my issue. Maybe others on the twu side wouldn't be so patient as I would be but if we had a clearer idea of what is being asked for then members could possibly be more patient with the process, but knowing the people I've worked with they probably still wouldn't be.

This is the issue. Most in the TWU could welcome the IAM medical plans with open arms. However, since there has been such a concerted effort by the Company to push everyone into the current LAA plans, going back to before the BK in 2011, the probability of getting those plans is small.

That being the case and with the TWU looking to gain elsewhere, while the IAM is looking to maintain, the question becomes do the Members want to wait for the possibility of getting the IAM medical and other enhancements for a longer period of time or would they want the enhancements since the medical seems like a distant dream with a quicker JCBA.

Of course, the IAM is hoping to maintain that medical so they would be willing to wait indefinitely if it meant they get to keep it as the negotiations move on.

If the roles were reversed, we would each be acting the same way.

BTW...The initial position released by the Association included to "adopt Legacy US medical language..."

 

[Steve Walegir]

And stop calling us Agents. It’s not official yet until the ink drys.

And the big brilliant idea that we had been chocking the wheels on MD80's wrong and to start chocking the inside tire not the outside tire. Well a few cracked open skulls later we are back to chocking the outside tire

And while you're at it, it's cockpit not flight deck. And the new one in dfw is the tower is called the control center, nope not gonna say it. I'll be the grumpy old guy refusing to change. Not where's my rotarary phone I gotta call Michigan 6 2456

 

[WeAAsles]

And stop calling us Agents. It’s not official yet until the ink drys.

And while you're at it, it's cockpit not flight deck. And the new one in dfw is the tower is called the control center, nope not gonna say it. I'll be the grumpy old guy refusing to change. Not where's my rotarary phone I gotta call Michigan 6 2456

I had a really cool suggestion for a “new name” lol to call all of us. But then the jerks didn’t write it down and I forgot what it was when they asked me.

Now in future I have to feel like I’m Maxwell Smart or something. Jeez. Agent, yuck.

 

[Steve Walegir]

This is the issue. Most in the TWU could welcome the IAM medical plans with open arms. However, since there has been such a concerted effort by the Company to push everyone into the current LAA plans, going back to before the BK in 2011, the probability of getting those plans is small.

That being the case and with the TWU looking to gain elsewhere, while the IAM is looking to maintain, the question becomes do the Members want to wait for the possibility of getting the IAM medical and other enhancements for a longer period of time or would they want the enhancements since the medical seems like a distant dream with a quicker JCBA.

Of course, the IAM is hoping to maintain that medical so they would be willing to wait indefinitely if it meant they get to keep it as the negotiations move on.

If the roles were reversed, we would each be acting the same way.

BTW...The initial position released by the Association included to "adopt Legacy US medical language..."

Thanks NY, my point isn't that I'm expecting to get their medical but just saying if the association made it clear and public they were determined to get it I'd have more patience in waiting. Were survey results ever released in Miami? Pretty sure they weren't in dfw. Or at least no one I've spoken to has seen them. I personally expect a compromise on medical. Hopefully we come down from out current 21%

 

[Steve Walegir]

And the big brilliant idea that we had been chocking the wheels on MD80's wrong and to start chocking the inside tire not the outside tire. Well a few cracked open skulls later we are back to chocking the outside tire

 

[swamt]

Well, it may be easier to give updates to the IAM side since they're fighting to keep their medical, scope and pension as it currently stands. That message of, "we're fighting to keep..." is easier than an update about gaining and not falling back on language.

I also have been sharing that it is my belief the Company wanted the NMB in the talks to try and dissuade the Association (mainly the IAM) from dragging the talks into Section 6 in their belief of either protecting their medical or having a Mediator step in for that protection during mediation. With the NMB in the talks, they can hint at the fact that process will bear no additional fruit that what can be harvested now.

Hasn't CB cleared up the rumors of the stalling to sec 6? Is there still talks of going to sec 6? Just curious.
When CB gives a little info is that just fleet info only? In other words, he mentioned .30 raise offer, is that also for the mechanics or just fleet personnel? I also don't think a .30 raise would be industry leading.

we were briefed last night in CLT about negs, Fairbanks and Baskett were there but th briefing was held by Regan who says he is at every negotiation and at the table .I see no reason not to believe him.

So can you elaborate a little on the update? Maybe clear up some rumors about what is specifically on the table at current time? Any info on which way they are leaning on the seniority integration issues?

 

[cltrat]

I had a really cool suggestion for a “new name” lol to call all of us. But then the jerks didn’t write it down and I forgot what it was when they asked me.

Now in future I have to feel like I’m Maxwell Smart or something. Jeez. Agent, yuck.

I hear ya , I get called crew chief and/or lead depending on the manager or who's in the tower
yes Steve it's tower in CLT

 

[swamt]

Thanks NY, my point isn't that I'm expecting to get their medical but just saying if the association made it clear and public they were determined to get it I'd have more patience in waiting. Were survey results ever released in Miami? Pretty sure they weren't in dfw. Or at least no one I've spoken to has seen them. I personally expect a compromise on medical. Hopefully we come down from out current 21%

No survey results were released in Miami or DFW? Wow! And I got slammed by one of your peons because AMFA never released ours. Well, let me rephrase that. AMFA didn't publically release them. If you attend union meetings and ask to see them they showed us. Our members were informed what the top 10 were in the survey, which is exactly how and why the membership has agreed to how t we go forward with the NC. Maybe CB with knowledge, instead of some moron just spouting off with no knowledge what so ever, could elaborate a little on why the asso./TWU/IAM did not release the survey results. I am positive that I already know CB, but, just making a point why both unions do not release said results. The survey was for the NC and only the NC to see where they will go in future nego's, they have taken those and applied them as such from the membership, hence why we are not in any kind of chaos over here as we are informed of what is on and off the table and what the company is offering in all aspects of the contract. I still totally disagree with the TWU keeping their members in the dark until T/A day arrives, as it will be so much harder to deal with rather than doing small tid bit releases like the IAM side is doing for their members.

 

[cltrat]

swamt, it was a fleet specific briefing so no ideal about mx. Seniority was said to be agreed on as was ot and other things.
The things left are the meat of the contract, insurance, scoop and pay

 

[Tim Nelson]

You have to call me because you don’t have a clue what is being said. And you are intentionally giving wrong information to our members!! Why?? Call get it right!! And your example of the insurance proves my point. I’ll be glad to go to Ord break rooms as long as Murphy is on with that. I was just in Dfw break room other day and had dozens of twu agents listening to me brief. I never said the agents dont want it, again wrong info. Of course they do. I even made copies of comparison for them to pass to their members. I stated my frustrations about the insurance was the twu guys in the negotiations didn’t seem that concerned about our insurance, and we need to all. E fighting for it. But I’m glad to say, that seems to be changing the last few sessions. Seems like the twu,s agents biggest issue with our insurance is lack of knowledge on what it is. That’s why I put some comparison sheets out.
And Tim. I know your not going to call me and get the correct info! Why? Because like I said in the email, you don’t want to. You want to deliberately deceive the membership and spin to where it stirs a few people up. Like I said the true story wouldn’t have got anyone excited about what was said. And don’t tak to me about building solidarity! You don’t have a clue. Solidarity starts with supporting your union brothers at the negotiating table. Have you ever done that? No. Hell if it was up to you, our members wouldn’t even be under our standalone agreement that we have now. You wanted to axe those talks and go straight to joint talks. I’m sure hundreds of people out there that still have jobs today are glad that the negotiating team didn’t listen to your ideas back then. Tell those people whose jobs were saved by that contract about your solidarity.
By the way. Can you email me our scope language that we have agreed to already. I would like to look it over. I’ll be waiting for it. Thx.

I dont have to call you when i already know you are stalling by your actions. Solidarity starts with our union leadership being on the same page. Its not. Period. The pilots, stews, amfa are all on the same page. Myself and other iam members have picketed. So should you. I guess nobody can make you finally join us and make us more unified. Ive been on a picket line supporting our brothers and sisters. Where were you? Btw, why do you guys not fight back to back to back?

 

[WeAAsles]

Thanks NY, my point isn't that I'm expecting to get their medical but just saying if the association made it clear and public they were determined to get it I'd have more patience in waiting. Were survey results ever released in Miami? Pretty sure they weren't in dfw. Or at least no one I've spoken to has seen them. I personally expect a compromise on medical. Hopefully we come down from out current 21%

Steve I need to point out here that NYer is not in the Negotiations and really has no idea for certainty what the position on the Medical issue is to the US AIRWAYS Management team. LAA was essentially taken over by Doug Parker and team.

Some confusion to IAM people I’ve been told is because this man NYer may not be willing to put up a fight for the IAM Medical that means we all feel the same way. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Our Medical costs suck. We just got used to them sucking cause so many others out there suck too. We don’t really have to completely always accept the suck. I think we should at least put in some effort for better.

One more time. LAA no longer exists and NYer is not one of our TWU Negotiators.

 

[WeAAsles]

swamt, it was a fleet specific briefing so no ideal about mx. Seniority was said to be agreed on as was ot and other things.
The things left are the meat of the contract, insurance, scoop and pay

What’s scoop?

I’m off to work now.

 

[cltrat]

I would kind of like to see the flt attendants reaction to being called "stews" perhaps jimtx could weigh in?

 

[cltrat]

What’s scoop?

I’m off to work now.

haha it's a fat fingered guy on the keyboard eating lunch before work

of course it's scope

 

[Steve Walegir]

No survey results were released in Miami or DFW? Wow! And I got slammed by one of your peons because AMFA never released ours. Well, let me rephrase that. AMFA didn't publically release them. If you attend union meetings and ask to see them they showed us. Our members were informed what the top 10 were in the survey, which is exactly how and why the membership has agreed to how t we go forward with the NC. Maybe CB with knowledge, instead of some moron just spouting off with no knowledge what so ever, could elaborate a little on why the asso./TWU/IAM did not release the survey results. I am positive that I already know CB, but, just making a point why both unions do not release said results. The survey was for the NC and only the NC to see where they will go in future nego's, they have taken those and applied them as such from the membership, hence why we are not in any kind of chaos over here as we are informed of what is on and off the table and what the company is offering in all aspects of the contract. I still totally disagree with the TWU keeping their members in the dark until T/A day arrives, as it will be so much harder to deal with rather than doing small tid bit releases like the IAM side is doing for their members.

SW
Not sure if I'm the moron you speak of, if your opinion is to only have the NC know the results that's fine. Historically the twu going into section 6 would inform the membership in generalities what they were originally going in asking for.